There are some character concerns with Parsons.There is quite a bit of buzz that the Lions are looking at LB Micah Parsons, which I am good with. Detroit needs that anchor on defense and Micah looks like a stud.
Landing Sewell would be awesome. I still don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
If they somehow get the #1 OL and the #3 LB it would be a good first two rounds. Hoping that Joe Burrow talks Cincy into taking his old WR or Pitts.Landing Sewell would be awesome. I still don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
Not sure how you could see them beating Green Bay, what are their odds compared to the Bears?+2800 for the Lions just to win their weak to mediocre division? Not expecting much, but I see this team headed in a much much better direction than the cluster-f Matt Patricia was taking them.
Bears are +600. Minn +350 and they have GB at -250. Certainly GB is the best team, but not a great team. And if Rogers gets banged up, the Pack is not much. +2800 is pretty crazy IMHO for a somewhat weak division. I see the Lions a bit weaker at QB and WR and PK, but I think they will be better everywhere else.Not sure how you could see them beating Green Bay, what are their odds compared to the Bears?
Would be amazing, guys his size, age and athleticism don't come along often.Landing Sewell would be awesome. I still don't see it happening, but I hope I'm wrong.
I’ve been putting in some small bet parlays on division winners, and I have one silly one with det winning the division because new coaches sometimes make a huge difference. One of them is a $.10 bet that will pay $250k, sure, it won’t happen but what do I have to lose? It has teams like pit/was/Tennessee/Seattle/mia so it isn’t even all the teams with the worst odds...Det/Atl the only really long shots. I’ll risk a dime for it. How the bears have odds they are that much better are beyond me. Maybe I’m underestimating Andy dalton?jon_mx said:Bears are +600. Minn +350 and they have GB at -250. Certainly GB is the best team, but not a great team. And if Rogers gets banged up, the Pack is not much. +2800 is pretty crazy IMHO for a somewhat weak division. I see the Lions a bit weaker at QB and WR and PK, but I think they will be better everywhere else.
I don't get the Wentz hate. I think him and Goff could see some new life with new teams. I will probably put $100-$200 down on the Lions to win the division. I really just hope they get close enough at the end where i have some some equity so I can place a profitable hedge bet.I’ve been putting in some small bet parlays on division winners, and I have one silly one with det winning the division because new coaches sometimes make a huge difference. One of them is a $.10 bet that will pay $250k, sure, it won’t happen but what do I have to lose? It has teams like pit/was/Tennessee/Seattle/mia so it isn’t even all the teams with the worst odds...Det/Atl the only really long shots. I’ll risk a dime for it. How the bears have odds they are that much better are beyond me. Maybe I’m underestimating Andy dalton?
Fun fact: Indy had better odds when they had no qb, and went down when they got wentz.
I hate to defend him because he was awful but I do believe there wasn't a team interested in trading up last year. The combination of QBs available, teams needing QBs and where those teams were drafting left the Lions really unlucky.Seeing the Dolphins trade down from the 3rd pick in order to add 2 future 1st rounders just highlights how incompetent Quinn was in last year's draft.
I actually like Goff more than Wentz. I know situations weren't equal but bad Goff is game manager. Bad Wentz is self destructive.I don't get the Wentz hate. I think him and Goff could see some new life with new teams. I will probably put $100-$200 down on the Lions to win the division. I really just hope they get close enough at the end where i have some some equity so I can place a profitable hedge bet.
If Rodgers misses any significant time, that division is up for grabs.I don't get the Wentz hate. I think him and Goff could see some new life with new teams. I will probably put $100-$200 down on the Lions to win the division. I really just hope they get close enough at the end where i have some some equity so I can place a profitable hedge bet.
Being incompetent and unlucky is a bad brew.I hate to defend him because he was awful but I do believe there wasn't a team interested in trading up last year. The combination of QBs available, teams needing QBs and where those teams were drafting left the Lions really unlucky.
Yep 3rd spot was brutal last year. No trade down available and missed the one clear transcendent talent.Being incompetent and unlucky is a bad brew.
Would love to see Lions have some luck and trade down this year.
3 of those 4 were with Jim Caldwell. Think about that- Jim Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of his four years, which is 3 of the 14 winning seasons in the last 43 years, and we fired him because he “wasn’t good enough.” And he never got a chance with another team.Ever wonder why you sometimes get depressed? Well being a Lions fan may help explain it.
Read an article today that said that since the NFL in 1978 went to 16 games the Lions have a record of 268 wins, 410 losses, and two ties, with the NFL’s worst winning percentage (.396) between the years of 1978-2020. During that 43-year span, Detroit had a season-ending record of 8-8 or better only 14 times. Four of those winning seasons took place over the last decade.
But Quinntricia was worse with an overall winning percentage (.302) and a 14-33-1 record .
Bizarre.3 of those 4 were with Jim Caldwell. Think about that- Jim Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of his four years, which is 3 of the 14 winning seasons in the last 43 years, and we fired him because he “wasn’t good enough.” And he never got a chance with another team.
I tried to not be a lions fan, but I can’t really get my heart into another team. I learned long ago to expect disappointment so I don’t really let them get me down. Someday I hope I can look forward to watching them every Sunday, and it’s been entertaining watching sanders and megatron, and heck I’ll throw stafford in there, his comebacks were always pretty exciting before the defense gave it back. There was a period where it was really really hard to watch, when bryson was about the only viable fantasy guy (as a flex/bye week filler.)Bizarre.
This is why I love the Stafford move so much.. a legit chance to escape.I tried to not be a lions fan, but I can’t really get my heart into another team.
There is no doubt a lot of Lions fans will be Rams fans for the next few years.matuski said:This is why I love the Stafford move so much.. a legit chance to escape.
I was a Jim Caldwell defender. I never understood the move. Getting the Lions to the playoffs is a great accomplishment. Caldwell is not a great football mind and would occasionally do stupid things, but he had a pretty good staff and created a very player-friendly atmosphere.Snorkelson said:3 of those 4 were with Jim Caldwell. Think about that- Jim Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of his four years, which is 3 of the 14 winning seasons in the last 43 years, and we fired him because he “wasn’t good enough.” And he never got a chance with another team.
Caldwell did not inherit a zero talent team like Schwartz did.Snorkelson said:3 of those 4 were with Jim Caldwell. Think about that- Jim Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of his four years, which is 3 of the 14 winning seasons in the last 43 years, and we fired him because he “wasn’t good enough.” And he never got a chance with another team.
I can agree, and Mayhew is showing he is a good executive as well. Would you feel differently if Caldwell won a playoff game? The call/non call with 8:30 left still stings- if Detroit can finish that drive with a td, Dallas is done. Even taking more time off and getting a fg really puts the pressure on.Caldwell did not inherit a zero talent team like Schwartz did.
Caldwell took over arguably the most talented Lion team in decades. Had Stafford, Calvin, Suh, Reggie Bush, Golden Tate, Ziggy, Levy,Quinn all in their prime years. The team did well but it should have been better. I agree with many takes on Caldwell that he was a good HC Mon-Saturday but struggled on gameday. That being said Patricia was worse.
JS turned the team around and franchise and he never got another HC job and I doubt Caldwell will either. I know Patrica won`t. Team don`t want ex-Lions coaches.
When the Lions get jobbed liked they did in that Dallas game I want Campbell to scream bloody murder regardless of fines or consequences. To me, if that happens, I will think that the Lions have turned the corner. As I see it over the years the Lions have been screwed over so many times and Lions just bite their lips and keep quiet. I want a mgt that says we aren't taking any more garbage from anyone.I can agree, and Mayhew is showing he is a good executive as well. Would you feel differently if Caldwell won a playoff game? The call/non call with 8:30 left still stings- if Detroit can finish that drive with a td, Dallas is done. Even taking more time off and getting a fg really puts the pressure on.
Now, I haven’t forgotten about sam martins 10 yard punt right after that, and we could have stopped them or scored at the end, but the momentum had swung, and that’s the game.
You mean scream like dez Bryant did during that penalty? Where he ran on the field to complain and, again, the refs decided that would also not be a penalty? Double jobbed.When the Lions get jobbed liked they did in that Dallas game I want Campbell to scream bloody murder regardless of fines or consequences. To me, if that happens, I will think that the Lions have turned the corner. As I see it over the years the Lions have been screwed over so many times and Lions just bite their lips and keep quiet. I want a mgt that says we aren't taking any more garbage from anyone.
I have no idea how him being a HC is gonna go, but damn do I find his energy appealing. Schwartz had a bit of that, but this guy just seems to be at 11 every minute of every day. It feels sincere, and damn would it be fun for a guy like that to succeed here.BobbyLayne said:
Very Schwartz like but the difference is Campbell seems very positive and easy to get a long with. Schwartz was little edgier. Campbell is The Dude.I have no idea how him being a HC is gonna go, but damn do I find his energy appealing. Schwartz had a bit of that, but this guy just seems to be at 11 every minute of every day. It feels sincere, and damn would it be fun for a guy like that to succeed here.
Now need that in honolulu blue kool aidMaybe I'm just drinking the kool-aid, but I'm ready to run through walls right now.
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I agree. Watched Pitts run and is is not nearly as smooth as Calvin..much choppier stride. Good for a TE not so sure about WR.The more I think about it the more I hope they draft Sewell or Slater. Having four O-lineman who are very solid with 2-3 capable of playing at PB/AP level is a great foundation. We already have capable starters at most positions throughout the offense. Would rather see us draft WRs on Day Two and Three this year.
It's looking like a QB heavy top ten and the number of trade back partners have diminished. Cannot imagine Chase falling to #7 but if he does, we absolutely should take him. I'm not convinced that the hype on Pitts is legit; he nowhere near as fast as Calvin, and he is not ready to be a fulltime WR. He has average speed as an outside receiver - that's not hyperbole, the average WR 40 time is 4.45 - and to my thinking the best fit for him would be a team that doesn't already have a top 5 TE. Smith is too skinny, and while I think Waddle has an exceptional gear, for that draft capital I would want a more complete route runner.
Needs wise, the LB is a disaster and the defense the last two years has been amongst the worst in franchise history (and you can count on one hand the number of times we've had a top ten defense in our lifetimes.) Logically we would be drafting only defenders in most of the first four rounds (5 of our 6 picks.) But IMO there is not an elite game changer defensive player who will make an immediate impact at #7. Parsons or JOK are complimentary starters, not stars - IMO. The best solution would have been trade back and pick up an extra pick, but that ship might have sailed.
Detroit Lions 2021 Draft Picks
Round 1: No. 7 overall
Round 2: No. 41
Round 3: No. 72, No. 101 (from Rams)
Round 4: No. 112
Round 5: No. 153
Biggest needs per the X-spurts: OL, WR, LB, CB, DT
If I had to rank those 5 I would put it LB/WR/OL/DT/CB (I'm counting on the new #23 to make a big improvement.) Logically, I don't feel great about Sewell or Slater, and a lot of people think Waddle is the chalk pick. But when you really think about it, if we draft a stud lineman we should have an outstanding, definite top 10 possibly top 5 OL with Swift in his prime production years for the next 2-3 seasons.
Well that was some interesting mental gymnastics. We're drafting Pitts, aren't we?
Penisini analzone?Dan Miller: Penisini and Anzalone stuff him at the line that's a big time stop!
Holmes and MCDC remind of the girl I took to senior prom. Man I was so thrilled before the actual event. Gravity is bummer sometimes.If Holmes manages to get Sewell or trades back and gets Parsons, he will be celebrated as the greatest GM in Lions history before a game is played under his regime.
I was ready to anoint him that when he said he was going to trade Chase Daniel. But alas nothing happened and they ended up just dumping him.If Holmes manages to get Sewell or trades back and gets Parsons, he will be celebrated as the greatest GM in Lions history before a game is played under his regime.
Oh Yeah!!Maybe I'm just drinking the kool-aid, but I'm ready to run through walls right now.
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No doubt players love Campbell. I like the coaching talent he is bring in and they seem to be making smart moves. Total opposite vibe from the last regime. I also really like that Sheila Ford really wants to win and is involved but not in an interfering fashion. The vibe seems different. Not that this team is close to winning anything, but they do look like they are headed in the right direction.Very Schwartz like but the difference is Campbell seems very positive and easy to get a long with. Schwartz was little edgier. Campbell is The Dude.
While I agree this would be a solid strategy on paper, I don't think that happens too often in the NFL. The drafting of a player just to trade him 30 minutes later is more of a NBA thing.If Fields does fall to us, we would be crazy to not trade back or even just draft him and look to move him as the draft goes on.
Ok then fine you have Justin Fields. What is the problem with that? I just find it very hard to believe Fields couldn't be traded for a 1st ++. Look at what Darnold got and he's a bust. If Okudah played as bad for 3 years as Darnold had, not a chance on Earth the Lions could get antyhing more than a 6th round speculative pick for him. Stafford is an older QB with some wear and tear and a sizable contract. Look what the haul for him was. SF just moved a mountain to get a QB. QB value is just so far ahead of the value of any other position.While I agree this would be a solid strategy on paper, I don't think that happens too often in the NFL. The drafting of a player just to trade him 30 minutes later is more of a NBA thing.