Moonlight
Footballguy
Special thanks to you Bobby Layne. Appreciate you cueing up the exact time they speak about each pick.
Love these guys saying the Lions are now officially competent in the draft.
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2024 Detroit Lions: Getting ready for the draft in Motown. (18 Viewers)
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Love these guys saying the Lions are now officially competent in the draft.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
You are the man. Thanks for the effort on the post there. I love everything they said except the comments about Sternberg who the Lions wouldn't even activate last year no matter how many guys were inured in front of him. He's got a lot to prove before we can assume he is starting.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Was the only kicker to ever be named Offensive Rookie of the Year by the Pro Football Writers Association.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Birkett reporting team brought Darren Fells in for a visit. 35 years old but he can block.
Alize Mack will probably be the backup TE. Former Saints 7th rounder, 8.54 RAS, Campbell is familiar with him. Hunter Thedford, 6’8” blocker, is also on the 90 man (I think they only have 84 signed rn so they’ll add a few more players before TC.)
Hock the only TE on the roster who has suited up for NFL game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
2022 Compensatory Picks Update (5/4/2021)
Golladay (3rd)
MJJ (5th)
Agnew (6th)
(Davis & Prater were cancelled out by Jamaal Williams & Breshad Perriman.)
These are conditional and could change depending on playing time.
2022 Lions Draft:
Det 1st
LAR 1st
Det 2nd
Det 3rd
Comp 3rd
Det 5th
Comp 5th
Det 6th
Comp 6th
Det 7th (conditional)
Cle 7th (conditional)
I imagine with 3 of the first 37 picks in 2022 and two firsts in 2023 we’ll get around to finding a long term quarterback and some playmakers. Unless of course Goff plays like a pro bowler when he has good protection a la 2017-18.
Signed a G and a LS yesterday. No visiting S sightings.
Golladay (3rd)
MJJ (5th)
Agnew (6th)
(Davis & Prater were cancelled out by Jamaal Williams & Breshad Perriman.)
These are conditional and could change depending on playing time.
2022 Lions Draft:
Det 1st
LAR 1st
Det 2nd
Det 3rd
Comp 3rd
Det 5th
Comp 5th
Det 6th
Comp 6th
Det 7th (conditional)
Cle 7th (conditional)
I imagine with 3 of the first 37 picks in 2022 and two firsts in 2023 we’ll get around to finding a long term quarterback and some playmakers. Unless of course Goff plays like a pro bowler when he has good protection a la 2017-18.
Signed a G and a LS yesterday. No visiting S sightings.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Miami has 6 TEs on the roster, including Gesicki and newcomer Hunter Long. They also have Shaheen and Smythe, with 2nd and 4th round pedigrees. And Cethan Carter signed for special teams ability. One of them could be traded or cut. After June 1, there should be another TE available for Lions. Aren't they in tank mode?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
There's a Joe Fauria out there, I just know it.
(make sure to include the no-puppy clause when you sign him, Brad)
I like Fells better. He is a sneaky good pass catcher who is a huge target who can block.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Waiving RB Kerryon Johnson.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sad how his career went. Lions really overdrafted him but he showed some flashes. However, like in college, he just couldn't ever stay healthy and carry a real load. I am guessing this move by Detroit was their way of doing him a solid. It gives him a chance to sign and catch on somewhere else instead of waiting until August to cut him.
Moonlight
Footballguy
"However, like in college".
To my mind it seems frequently that players with significant injury history in college have the same in the pros. Some really stick in your mind like Jahvid Best who had a concussion history in college. Maybe I'm cherry picking.
I had posted earlier (before Jermer J. pick) that Lion draft picks had pretty clean health histories. Opting out for the covid year helped many players to stay healthy including Sewell & Levi. Jermer had some health issues. Would expect volume rushers to have more.
Finally, its a shame about Kerryon. He played well until the injuries. I hope he catches on elsewhere.
Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Woo hoo! Jermar time!
Swift-Jamaal-Jermar. Love that RB squad so much.
The Bears thought the same with Trubiski. When Feilds goes to his first pro bowl, get back to me. His running ability will work well for him, but teams passes on him because they thought he lacked essential skills to succeed at the pro level, mainly reading defenses and finding his second or third reviever. Locking in on your first reviewer and hitting him does not lead to success in the NFL. Fields is a longer term project who may or may not develop into a great qb.
Deamon
Footballguy
Goff looked rather average last year and still won a playoff game at the pro level. If you look back at Fields, he had poor games against Indiana, Northwestern and Alabama last year in a shorten schedule. That is what is concerning for him.
Deamon
Footballguy
I'd say Goff looked below average last year (ranked 23rd in QBR despite many weapons)
Also, Akers and the Defense won that playoff game.
Goff had great WR's and a genius offensive mind coaching him. Does Detroit have either of those?
I have nothing against the Lions, actually kinda like them. But 32 NFL teams would take Fields over Goff right now. He's quite bad and now has no receivers. If you're going to discount Fields, then we'll agree that it goes:
Cousins
Love/Goff/Fields
If you listened at Campbell talk yesterday discussing the draft and how he plans on using these players, it looks like the first six picks all are in the plans for a significant roll this years. Throw in that jermar is already the #3 RB on this team, and that will even be productive. Detroit has NEVER got any first year production out of more than 3 positional players in a draft class. This year, provided they stay healthy, we will be seeing all seven of these guys on the field in every game, most of them in starting rolls. That is why I am confident in calling this their best draft ever. Are there future two all-pros in here? I think there is one lock and a couple others capable.
Certainly most everyone would say Cousins, but he is still just a .500 quarterback with one playoff win in 9 seasons. He is good and efficient, but nothing great. Goff is not as far behind him as most people think.
Deamon
Footballguy
As of today I would put Goff as the worst QB in the div. If Rodgers goes and they get no one in return, bump him to 3rd.
I think it's a good thing Goff is going to be terrible this year. You have some great young talent, but still will likely have a top 7 pick next year to draft a new franchise QB. The division is getting weaker too. Things are on the up in Detroit, even if (especially if) this season goes poorly from a wins perspective.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Tough to do rankings until Love and Fields become actual starters. I just know that if and when AR leaves the division everyone gets bumped up a notch. As do the other 3 teams.
If you are talking just raw talent, Goff has that in spades. His problem has always been adapting when things go off script, situational stuff. Until we see Fields and Love, and how they handle the NFL, I think it's a mistake to declare they are better than Goff.
Just talking strictly QB talent, Goff is probably first in the division, slightly above Cousins. The guy was the 1st overall pick, and has shown that when everything is going as designed with the offense, he can perform at an elite level. The other two are incomplete as of yet, because we have nothing to go on in regards to how they will perform in the NFL.
I say all of that as someone who is not a fan of Goff. I'm just not sure how you can argue Goff isn't a very talented QB if we are disregarding everything situational or out of his control.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Frank the tank gets a 4 year extension. He had two years left, I presume now it runs through 2024? Highest paid center in the league.
Totally worth it.
Totally worth it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Goff isn’t quite bad. He was in 2016 when he was 0-7 and looked like a bust. He made the pro bowl in 2017 & 2018, reached the Super Bowl. He’s been average the last two season and hasn’t played well when he’s under pressure, but the team has gone 42-22 with him over the last 4 years.
Bad is a bit much, he’s not a bottom third QB.
Bad is a bit much, he’s not a bottom third QB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Even better! So it’s not a new contract but a 4-year extension.
Warrior gets thrown around and overused a lot. Guys who play with a fractured throat have earned it. He and Decker seem like really good dudes off the field as well.
Deamon
Footballguy
You can name 11 starting QBs you'd prefer Goff on your team over?
Newton, Lock, Hurts, Jones, Winston. That's all I got.
We'll see what Goff can do without great receivers, coaching, and defense.
Fields and Love.
Goff will have the best offensive line the Lions have ever seen. Can't say how great of an offensive scheme this staff will put together, but if the draft and how players are being handled is any indication Campbell is going to be a great coach. Not saying much, but this defense will be better in every area from line, to linebackers, to secondary. A QB with pass protection can get by with decent WR's especially paired with an elite tight end and good running backs.
Deamon
Footballguy
As of now Rodgers is still the starter in GB though, can't really call love the starter right now. I still think youd be very hard pressed to find any NFL teams that would take Goff over Fields but we've already debated that one to death. So I'm at 5 current teams that would prefer Goff as their starting QB over who they have now. I definitely think he's bottom 3rd.
You have a good point about OL, but I think you're going to see his true colours now that his coaching and WRs aren't as strong.
Derrick Barnes: A 'Lion Is King of the Jungle'
New Detroit Lions linebacker Derrick Barnes is a player head coach Dan Campbell relates to, based on his 'old-school' mentality.
"He's dependable, he's tough, and really, he's only been a stack backer for a year. He's got so much room to grow. He's got an old-school mentality about him." Campbell said in a recent Sirius XM interview. "He's already reached out to me. He wants to be 55. How throwback is 55 for an inside linebacker? It's so beautiful."
"But yet he's a damn good athlete. This kid can run. You know? He's got an old-school mentality, but he's a new-age athlete. He can run, he's tough, he's smart, he's got 34-inch arms, so he comes downhill and he can shed blocks," Campbell commented further. "Look, he'll have a little bit of growing pains, but we all think he can develop into something special. There again, his character just reeks of success."
Prior to this year's draft, the theme emanating from the Lions organization was drafting players who loved football, demonstrated grit and who could easily fit into the new culture of the organization.
At first glance, Barnes fits the criteria quite well.
“I would just say that just me personally as a player, I love to be on the field, I love to contribute to the team. I love to do what the coach asks me to do. And if they, you know, you’re a football player. So being versatile is huge in the NFL and I’m glad I can bring that to the table," Barnes said after being drafted by the Lions. "Playing defensive end was awesome, playing linebacker was awesome. I’m just ready to take it to the NFL and do whatever the coaches ask me to do. Just ready to get to work and you know, come to Detroit and do what I’ve been doing so far and even better. So, I’m excited about that.”
Barnes, 21, noticeably has a large Lions tattoo that covers his chest.
"My favorite animal," he said. "I think the Lion is the king of the jungle. Heart of a lion, that’s what I say I have. You know, loyalty, just power, and just leadership. I think that’s all the strengths I grew up having. Always been a fan of the lion."
New Detroit Lions linebacker Derrick Barnes is a player head coach Dan Campbell relates to, based on his 'old-school' mentality.
"He's dependable, he's tough, and really, he's only been a stack backer for a year. He's got so much room to grow. He's got an old-school mentality about him." Campbell said in a recent Sirius XM interview. "He's already reached out to me. He wants to be 55. How throwback is 55 for an inside linebacker? It's so beautiful."
"But yet he's a damn good athlete. This kid can run. You know? He's got an old-school mentality, but he's a new-age athlete. He can run, he's tough, he's smart, he's got 34-inch arms, so he comes downhill and he can shed blocks," Campbell commented further. "Look, he'll have a little bit of growing pains, but we all think he can develop into something special. There again, his character just reeks of success."
Prior to this year's draft, the theme emanating from the Lions organization was drafting players who loved football, demonstrated grit and who could easily fit into the new culture of the organization.
At first glance, Barnes fits the criteria quite well.
“I would just say that just me personally as a player, I love to be on the field, I love to contribute to the team. I love to do what the coach asks me to do. And if they, you know, you’re a football player. So being versatile is huge in the NFL and I’m glad I can bring that to the table," Barnes said after being drafted by the Lions. "Playing defensive end was awesome, playing linebacker was awesome. I’m just ready to take it to the NFL and do whatever the coaches ask me to do. Just ready to get to work and you know, come to Detroit and do what I’ve been doing so far and even better. So, I’m excited about that.”
Barnes, 21, noticeably has a large Lions tattoo that covers his chest.
"My favorite animal," he said. "I think the Lion is the king of the jungle. Heart of a lion, that’s what I say I have. You know, loyalty, just power, and just leadership. I think that’s all the strengths I grew up having. Always been a fan of the lion."
Deamon
Footballguy
I take Darnold, Carr, Lance over Goff for sure.
Tua and wentz and I agree are on the cusp but I think both are more valuable to NFL teams than Goff.
Darnold had the worst coaching and wrs in the league last year. Rams had some of the best.
I really think Goff isn't valued much at all around the league as a starting qb. I think Washington is the only of your above teams that would trade qb situations with Detroit.
Foosball God
Foos
Now you're just being silly. Lance is a complete dev project and maybe will be good, even great, in a couple of years but you definitely shouldn't have him above Goff now, same with Fields. Darnold hasn't shown half of what Goff has, even if I agree that he was hampered by the Jets failings at coaching/players.
Deamon
Footballguy
Do you think Detroit would prefer Lance or Goff on their team if they could choose?
Foosball God
Foos
For what time period are you talking about? This year Goff for sure, next year probably Goff, after that who knows.
Deamon
Footballguy
Agree to disagree here. Niners think he's the smartest and ready QB in the draft (not saying that's correct).
I take Lance in a heartbeat next year over Goff.... possibly even this year.
I think you're overestimating Goff's talents greatly, and will see what he does without WR's and coaching this year. Wrs/Coaching is very underrated to a QB's success in my opinion. Look at Tannehill. Look at Darnold (maybe). Goff has had genius coaching and some of the best weapons in the league. We will see how he does this year but I don't think he's viewed as a very good QB around the league.
