Beerguzzler
Footballguy
Does he jump Tanehill in dynasty rankings? I just don't know about this guy long term.
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QB Russell Wilson, PIT (8 Viewers)
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
But not the guy who bumps his own posts.gotta respect Pete carroll
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Very excited for the kid. He looked phenomenal against KC.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
But not the guy who bumps his own posts.
So are people going to make fun of him for being a Christian like Tebow too?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
people make fun of tebow?
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
From what we have seen, IMHO he does. He seems to have a way to get his teammates going in a way that we've yet to see from any SEA QB that I can think of in a looooong time.Tex
mad sweeney
Footballguy
It's only been a year since Hass left. He carried that team after the SB when Alexander stopped running, the idiot GM didn't want to overpay for a guard, Strong and Jones got hurt and WRs kept dropping like flies. He was the heart and soul of that team and no way Whitehurst could've played the Saints the way Matt did. Let's not forget what the best Seahawks QB of all time did for us after only one season gone.
Faust
MVP
cr8f
Footballguy
I think going with the better player regardless of contract is good for football but will be awkward.Good for Pete though. 
Wilson is a hard worker and detailed so i don't see him getting complacent.So was Flynn a one game wonder? He only started 2 gaames but last years got him $10 million. He should give part of that to Jordy Nelson. 
I wish Wilson had started game 2 and Flynn game 3 to see how he responded but it wasn't to be.
Wilson is a hard worker and detailed so i don't see him getting complacent.So was Flynn a one game wonder? He only started 2 gaames but last years got him $10 million. He should give part of that to Jordy Nelson. I wish Wilson had started game 2 and Flynn game 3 to see how he responded but it wasn't to be.If a few inches taller he probably would have been a top 10 pick. His passes last week looked more accurate than RG3's so I would have the top 3 neck and neck.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
There was a competition.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
As far as fantasy and the other Rookie QBs he should be somewhere 1-3. He has the best team of all the rookie QBs. I think Luck throws a lot due to being behind a lot this year. I would put him 1A/1B with Luck for those reasons.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I took a flyer on him as QB 3 .... If he can rush for 50 + yards a game there is value in FF for that kind of player
Detroit Revival
Footballguy
I picked him up in Rd 14 of a 16 team league the other day. In the Yahoo rankings he's in the 2000s. You can pick him up for a song in redrafts if you believe he'll be productive this season.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I've seen this point mentioned in several places. Basically, with his skillset and ability, if he would have been 6' 2" or 6' 3" instead of 5' 11", many think he would have been in the Luck/RG3 discussion about who should be the top drafted QB. Wilson had a higher passer rating last season than Luck did. 33 TDs to 4 INTs is a pretty good ratio.Interestingly, Drew Brees is "only" 6' - so, he is only an inch shorter than Brees and can run. Could be fun.I think going with the better player regardless of contract is good for football but will be awkward.
Good for Pete though.
Wilson is a hard worker and detailed so i don't see him getting complacent.
So was Flynn a one game wonder? He only started 2 gaames but last years got him $10 million. He should give part of that to Jordy Nelson.
I wish Wilson had started game 2 and Flynn game 3 to see how he responded but it wasn't to be.
If a few inches taller he probably would have been a top 10 pick. His passes last week looked more accurate than RG3's so I would have the top 3 neck and neck.
Mortimer Ichabod
Footballguy
Agreed. Cash out while you can, his value will never be higher than it is right now!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree to a point. I sent a trade offer to an owner in a superflex league with Bradford as the quarterback with others. I am anticipating a counter with Wilson.'Mortimer Ichabod said:
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R Wilson's value is only going to go up as the year goes on. By mid-year last year, I was able to sell Cam for MJD.Why sell now? Let his value continue to increase.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Unless you get a nuts offer, I wouldn't sell now. I expect him to, at the very least, be successful in his first couple of starts while defenses get tape on him. If you're just a lotto ticket holder, I'd cash out around then.
That said, I haven't received a single trade offer for him yet, and own him in multiple leagues.
That said, I haven't received a single trade offer for him yet, and own him in multiple leagues.
Mikel J. Anderson
Footballguy
2012 Floor: 2400/16/13 - 350/3
2012 Ceiling: 3600/30/11 - 700/8
thoughts?
2012 Ceiling: 3600/30/11 - 700/8
thoughts?
Abraham
Footballguy
That ceiling is really high and would make him a top 5 qb. I think a floor of 3600, 15 and 15 with 359 and 4 is reasonable.
He ain't throwing 30 TD's.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
INTs seem high. He won't be throwing only 4 like last year but even 11 seems a bit high. With a bunch of very tall RZ threats in TEs and Ruce/Edwards I'd bump up the RDs as well. Lunch, Turbin and Robinson should keep the D pretty preoccupied and a mobile QB with tall weapons should be a goldmine.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I could buy that floor, but I'd be stunned if he plays that badly over the course of a season.
I projected 3900 yards, 28 TDs 7INTs, 500 rushing yards, 5 TDs in the Spotlight, so I'd say our ceilings are pretty close. And yes, I understand that places him very highly. I think he's got that level of talent.
Mikel J. Anderson
Footballguy
why not 30 TDs? less than 2 TDs per game...
NBusiness
Footballguy
Things are getting out of hand here. This is why I'm talking sell
mcintyre1
Footballguy
But sell when? Sell now? Only plugged in fantasy players will be seriously looking right now, and they're only going to be looking for a steal. Smart players don't overpay for an unproven guy like Russell. I'm skeptical that there is much value to "sell" for until we've seen a few games of the regular season.
solorca
Footballguy
I have an offer of Ryan Williams on the table right now, in a ppr league. I'll probably take it, since I have ryan/locker already.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Nice, that's not a bad offer. I think many current Wilson owners will be in similar situations with already established QB starters, so this is a good example.
NBusiness
Footballguy
I don't have a crystal ball to predict what me or you can get for him right now, but the fact is that the "general public" is onto this guy now. The hype has exceeded what this guy is capable of this year in my opinion. Let's remember some things- Pete Carroll is fickle and will do whatever to win- do if Russell has a bad game, Flynn could be the starter week 2.
Also this remains a run first offense with little to no outside playmakers . And on top of this russel is small and has to be more susceptible to injury than a larger qb .
And since the public is onto this guy now I just think you move him for nice assets. . I think the guy who wants Ryan Williams can get more but I can't speculate on what. I just feel like selling guys at hype points like this is how to win championships .
Also this remains a run first offense with little to no outside playmakers . And on top of this russel is small and has to be more susceptible to injury than a larger qb .
And since the public is onto this guy now I just think you move him for nice assets. . I think the guy who wants Ryan Williams can get more but I can't speculate on what. I just feel like selling guys at hype points like this is how to win championships .
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johnadams
Footballguy
I want to make sure I have this right. You think his 2012 ceiling is higher than 30 TDs because of Edwards and Rice, but his INTs will be lower (even if best case) is less than 11? Tha's a TD to INT ratio of 3:1 in his rookie year on a team with one of the weaker WR casts in the NFL. Four QBs accomplished that in 2011 when throwing over 20 TDs: Brees, Brady, Romo, and Rodgers. His rookie ceiling is in the company of these guys? Not a chance.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I was talking about his floor being higher than 16. I thought using the 'even 11' phrase meant that although I was talking about the floor, even the ceiling prediction of INTs was high. So no,you don't have it anywhere near right.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Carroll and JS have both thought Wilson is the future of this team. I can't see them switching on one bad game. Sorry, NGTH.
How is a short QB more susceptible to injury than a large QB? Are short RB's more susceptible to injury than tall RB's? That is a silly comment. Russell is built thick, he has NEVER been injured....so why would he be injured now? His build type doesn't worry me like an RGIII does.
So you sold Cam Newton last year early? Ryan Williams on a horrible Cardinals team is going to win you a championship? LOL.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I am going to go ahead and say that in no way shape or form will Wilson have a year even remotely closs to Cam Newton's rookie year. I happen to think that Wilson can be serviceable as a qb 2 this year. His receiving core is actually undervalued. Rice and Edwards can actually be an above average combo. Miller is a pretty good pass catching TE. Wilson will obviously have some games where he puts up big numbers due to rushing, but he will be too inconsistent to end up being a QB 1 play by seasons end. Also, the thing that scares me is it is very possible he gets sat for a bad run of play. You have been preaching from day one that Carroll is all about competition and everyone has a chance to play a part of the team in the now and future, no matter draft spot, money being owed etc.Carrol has even allowed a 3rd round rookie qb to win the job, but he won't turn to Flynn if Wilson has a bad run of play and Seattle start losing? I mean it is this backwards level of thinking that is making many of your posts less relevant. You have to be more objective.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
What would you consider to be a bad run? You can't tank anyone after one bad game and rookies ate going to go through growing pains. If there's a short leash for either of them it's to the detriment of the team. I think Wilson would have to have at least 3-4 horrific games with no sign if improvement before the leash gets tight. It's not like he's going out on a limb by starting Wilson, the decision seems to be unanimously echoed by fans, players, media etc... There's no face for Pete to save by yanking the kid after a rough start because the only bad move for him would have been to NOT start Russel Sprout.
simey
Footballguy
He missed some games at NC State due to injury. He missed a couple games with a concussion, and missed another game due to an injury O'Brien wouldn't disclose, but it was rumored at the time to be a shoulder injury. Both of these injuries were in 2008, and I don't recall him ever missing time in 2009 and 2010.
johnadams
Footballguy
Don't know how this would be interpreted differently when the only number you actually question is the ceiling of 11 INTs, especially when the comparative is the four he threw last year. No matter though. Thanks for clarifying.
If he was a few inches taller, he would have went #1. In terms of efficiency he was better than either Luck or RGIII. If not for two fluke hail marys on defense, the Badgers would have been playing for the title against LSU.I think going with the better player regardless of contract is good for football but will be awkward.Good for Pete though.
If a few inches taller he probably would have been a top 10 pick. His passes last week looked more accurate than RG3's so I would have the top 3 neck and neck.
You have zero credibility on this subject.And I can certainly imagine the scenario you describe as impossible. There were some pre draft rumblings about RG3 going before Luck.
teamramrod
Footballguy
Yes, the Lions trotted out NAIA players in the Secondary due to injuries last year. If someone can get 10 mill for that game, than I want to play poker with the guy paying him.PeaceWilson is a hard worker and detailed so i don't see him getting complacent.
So was Flynn a one game wonder? He only started 2 gaames but last years got him $10 million. He should give part of that to Jordy Nelson.
If a few inches taller he probably would have been a top 10 pick. His passes last week looked more accurate than RG3's so I would have the top 3 neck and neck.
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