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QB Russell Wilson, PIT (5 Viewers)
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Will Kearse be more productive than Harvin? What about Baldwin?
TenTimes
Backhoe Operator
bagger
Footballguy
yeah I was up in Washington last weekend for business so invariably was watching the Seahawks game and seeing Wilson in that offense looked amazing and immediately started targeting him in the 8th.Great value compared to other QBs going 3-5 rounds higher.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
I'm grabbing him as soon as last team but me has a QB. Love him this year!
Henry Ford
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rjv
Footballguy
neither did I. Several went off the board before him like cutler rg3 and newton. He was the 13th QB taken.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Not the first time I've read/heard this.
Can someone give a good explanation of what has changed or will changed from the last two years?
rocketsauce
Footballguy
Well, he finished #9 last year in my league. He only had 1 rushing TD. In the preseason he certainly looked to run more in the red zone. He's entering his 3rd year, has obviously matured as a passer each previous year, and perhaps he has the gameplan opened up a bit. Also: Percy Harvin, if healthy.
Those are just some things that I would say are in the "changed/evolving" camp.
SaintsInDome2006
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- Charlie Casserly.
ETA - I dunno Charl... the idea of Wilson with a Sean Payton or a Chip Kelly would be pretty damned exciting I'd say.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I think he's already terrific and agree he's getting better, question is (for me) will his passing attempts go up?
Seattle won the Super Bowl, therefore their homers are currently the ones beating drums most loudly and most frequently.
Rationally speaking, Wilson has put up two pretty similar seasons (one a tiny bit better passing, the other a tiny bit better running), and the team had as successful a season as possible. Changing anything in any major way would be completely insane.
If he isn't somewhere in the neighborhood of whatever it usually is for him -- 3500/25 or whatever, plus a little on the ground, prorated over the course of a season? -- and thus QB 12 or so by PPG, it would have to rate as a pretty big surprise.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Yeah. He's a third year QB with the best receiving option Seattle's got on the field for once.
Avery
Footballguy
He also has gotten better since he first played in the NFL. He tore it up in the pre-season.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So Wilson has the best receiver he's ever had in Harvin full time now, ok. But personally I think Baldwin and Kearse are pretty darn good in their own right. I'm just wondering if he gets another 100 attempts this year, which would make a big difference. Does he throw it 500 this year? Why now, because they just let him?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Because he's older, more experienced, and maturing in the offense. Year three is a reasonable time to take the training wheels off for a QB.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I like Wilson and think he's a very good player, but I think tonight was a pretty good illustration of how much help he also gets via the situation he's in. He threw 2 TDs tonight and both of them came on throws that literally anyone participating in this thread could have made. 10 yard passes to a guy without a defender within 15 yards of him both times.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
This is fantasy. Why is his help a negative? He threw for less than 200 yards but threw for 2 TD's and therefore had a solid game for most of his owners in a game where Seattle was ahead for 3 quarters.
Seattle looks to me like a team that is willing to put a team away rather than sit on a lead for a whole quarter. They seem to be playing with the same chip on their shoulder as last year. I'm not nearly so worried that Wilson gets neutralized in games with a lead. His OC was dialing up creative pass plays late in the 4th with a double digit lead and Wilson was scrambling for first downs. I think we may be seeing Wilson's floor raised.
ImTheScientist
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Baloney Sandwich
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I like what I saw from Wilson in the first game but I still plan on playing matchups with him and Dalton this season.
ActionHero
Footballguy
First time Wilson owner so first time really watching him closely. I liked almost everything I saw -- some of his deep throws seemed off. But the thing that was most surprising was that I was expecting him to run a lot more than he did. Was that a typical game? Was Green Bay scheming him differently? Any concern that Seattle is trying to transform him into more of a pocket passer?
biju
Footballguy
He's not a "running QB" despite what the Shark Pool and the media classify him as. He will *always* throw the ball if it's going to net more yards, and is always looking to throw until the crosses the LOS.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
I'm drinking the kool-aid on Russell Wilson, bigtime. I started him week 1 over Aaron Rodgers (my 2nd round pick) and it ended up being the right call. Saw myself looking at matchups again week 2, and then got hit with a bigtime offer of Charles for Rodgers. I took it, and am now gonna ride and die with #3 at QB. Get it.
MG345
Footballguy
He has scramble rules, which are essentially a check list of things to look for before taking off, and things to do once he starts running. It is a really smart approach to a mobile QB, something that guys like RG3 would benefit from. I noticed Jake Locker being a lot smarter about his own scramble rules in TEN's first game this week, I wonder if Wilson imparted some wisdom. Ultimately, you will only see crazy rushing totals in games where Seattle is behind, or teams don't put a spy on Wilson. Both of those instances are seemingly more and more rare these days.proninja said:
Rarely are his runs a part of the game plan. Against a defense like GB where the offense can mostly do what they want, you probably won't see a lot of rushing yards. Also, he's smart, and it wouldn't shock me if he didn't run in a blowout because he knows it's risky.
biju
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That's actually Ken Whisenhunt's influence. If you follow Whisenhunt around the league you'll see he gave Roethlisberger his best years, revitalized Kurt Warner (who at the time was relegated to backup duties, but probably would have been awesome on his own), was the OC last year in SD for Philip Rivers best year, and is now in Tennessee and likely the big reason behind Locker's dramatic improvement.He has scramble rules, which are essentially a check list of things to look for before taking off, and things to do once he starts running. It is a really smart approach to a mobile QB, something that guys like RG3 would benefit from. I noticed Jake Locker being a lot smarter about his own scramble rules in TEN's first game this week, I wonder if Wilson imparted some wisdom. Ultimately, you will only see crazy rushing totals in games where Seattle is behind, or teams don't put a spy on Wilson. Both of those instances are seemingly more and more rare these days.proninja said:
Rarely are his runs a part of the game plan. Against a defense like GB where the offense can mostly do what they want, you probably won't see a lot of rushing yards. Also, he's smart, and it wouldn't shock me if he didn't run in a blowout because he knows it's risky.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
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Oh my gosh that is fantastic, good for you!rocketsauce said:
Another great fantasy game for WIlson. The team didn't look great and still Wilson's rush/pass points are equivalnet to 358 passing yards. Two more TDs, even though the offense wasn't clicking? The offense hasn't come close to their potential yet. Rotoworld is calling him "elite," but he doesn't even make Bloom's upgrade list.
I say buy where you can.
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The Commish
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I love these news sources and how they bring it with the hype
There are QBs in this league that "will never be elite" because they manage games and make big plays with their legs. I couldn't help think about that established meme during that last drive.....especially with no down field attempts.
ImTheScientist
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
People will still make some excuse as to why that isn't important. To that I say.... kiss the ring.
The Commish
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The Commish
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Synthesizer
Footballguy
At this point Wilson is in the same class as Peyton, Luck, Rodgers, and Brees. The rest of the list is just laughable (Eli, M.Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Foles, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Brady, and Flacco). Those guys have the big names, big arms, and height, but I'll take the leadership and accuracy every time.
fred_1_15301
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SproutDaddy
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.
Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
biju
Footballguy
Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.
I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.
Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
SproutDaddy
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Considering I have a minor in English, the act of writing sentences, paragraphs, papers, poems, and even rap lyrics have come pretty easy for me. Just as easy as you showing time and again that you are as much of a #### stain as ITS. Even when those on these board give Wilson the credit he is due, you two can't help but make your fanbase look like a bunch of a-holes. I don't think there are two worse homers here. Scratch that............you two give Shonuff and Sabertooth a run at the most blind homers here. It's a shame you make it bad for other Hawk fans.Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.
I love Wilson, but this is one the worst posts in the history of the SP up to this point. Very premature.
Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
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Henry Ford
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I tell you what. Let's give him 11 years, and if he throws for 5,000 yards more than once we can say he's as good as Brees. Otherwise, no dice. Cool?Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.
Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
Neofight
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Considering I have a minor in English, the act of writing sentences, paragraphs, papers, poems, and even rap lyrics have come pretty easy for me. Just as easy as you showing time and again that you are as much of a #### stain as ITS. Even when those on these board give Wilson the credit he is due, you two can't help but make your fanbase look like a bunch of a-holes. I don't think there are two worse homers here. Scratch that............you two give Shonuff and Sabertooth a run at the most blind homers here. It's a shame you make it bad for other Hawk fans.Good point. But it took Brees 6 seasons to get to 4,000 yards (4,418 in 2006) where he threw 26 TDs and 11 INTs. Prior to that he maxed out at 27 TDs in his 4th year in the league.
Brees is basically the same as Wilson as far as body size. So, you're wrong on part of your statement. How many 4000 yd seasons do Wilson have? Another positive for Wilson is that he has a defense all those guys could only dream of.
How about we table this one until Wilson's 6th year and we'll see where we stand. But otherwise, at least you were able to put words together to make a sentence.
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