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yeah, but Jerry Rice ran a 4.71, so
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (14 Viewers)
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I always add .1 to unofficial hand-timed 40 times.
I was close...
4.52 doesn't bother me. There are plenty of big receivers producing that I would guess are not that fast. ( i.e Colston). Can he run routes? Who knows. Can he catch? Bloom and Waldman say yes.
Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
Splat. Dropped another round for being out of shape and prone to injury.
identikit
Footballguy
Here's Pauline's tweet:
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Results from Josh Gordon pro-day: 6031/224lbs...36" vert, 10'-1" broad..13 reps on bench...4.52/forty but pulled/hurt quad during the run..
Also from Pauline:
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Understand he's going to try and run routes...more later...
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Results from Josh Gordon pro-day: 6031/224lbs...36" vert, 10'-1" broad..13 reps on bench...4.52/forty but pulled/hurt quad during the run..
Also from Pauline:
Tony Pauline @TonyPauline
Understand he's going to try and run routes...more later...
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Well that lasted long...
On to the next one...
On to the next one...
identikit
Footballguy
Some tweets from John McClain, NFL reporter for the Houston Chronicle:
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Just interviewed WR Josh Gordon after his workout for NFL teams. Very impressive. Said all the right things.
Gordon is 6-3 1/8, 224 and ran 4.52. 21 teams there, 6 with multiple reps from personnel dept.
Gordon said he was suspended by Baylor after failing a marijuana test. Said he learned his lesson and vowed not to do it again.
John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Just interviewed WR Josh Gordon after his workout for NFL teams. Very impressive. Said all the right things.
Gordon is 6-3 1/8, 224 and ran 4.52. 21 teams there, 6 with multiple reps from personnel dept.
Gordon said he was suspended by Baylor after failing a marijuana test. Said he learned his lesson and vowed not to do it again.
football fan
Footballguy
What did Calvin Johnson run for a forty when he was preparing for the NFL Draft?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
4.33
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
redskins take him round3.
Seriously? You derived those two outcomes from pulling a quad?
Agreed. Not sure if they get him though?
football fan
Footballguy
Thanks
Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/10/is-josh-gordon-being-overhyped/Post from Florio about all the Gordon hype. I tend to agree with him. All these team "sources" giving out their grade on him; it makes no sense whatsoever in this type of draft.
Or maybe that's what they want each other to think so that everyone else gives up too low of a draft pick.
Note that he also didn't have his legs or feet with him at the time and had to use some temporary replacements. The Gods were making minor tweaks to them in preparation for the NFL.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I know you're joking, but similarly, I read somewhere today that when DMC ran his 4.3ish 40, he wasn't very prepared. He was even wearing cross-trainers instead of the fancy sprinting shoes everyone else wears to cut down small fractions of a second. So its very possible that he would have hit the 4.2's. Total freak.
Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
Limas Sweed was about 5 lbs. shy of 220.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=8826&draftyear=2008&genpos=WR
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
This guy has a sketchy background, the drug suspension will be taken into account.
He planned to transfer and prove that he had cleaned up his act but we don't really have the reason why he decied to ditch that plan and try the supplemental draft but with QB RG III going for a record windfall of draft picks and with WR Kendall Wright going pretty high in the draft he would have to feel the iron is hot for Baylor offensive players connected to the passing game and I would have to agree.
He's got physical gifts, nice size over 6'3, huge hands over 10', and a wide catch radius.
He has had some issue with drops. I don't know who to compare him to but the closest I know of who recently entered the NFL draft after missing a year due to suspension and with limited WR experience with 'somewhat' similiar skills is WR Greg Little who went at the end of the second round.
The very first glimpse the NFL decision makers get of Gordon and he comes up with a 'respectable' but not fantastic 40 and he gimps up a quad.
I don't see anyone who gives an honest evaluation of him dishing a second round pick. A third still seems high to me but if he goes for a fourth round pick I think that would be in the acceptable ballpark but I think that someone will pull the trigger in the third round.
He seems raw and now I do have some concerns over his conditioning and we really don't have the book on him so I think their is risk/reward but the reward would be at least a year off.
Wide receivers are tough to predict and supplemental guys are really-really tough to predict IMHO.
The one thing I do like is those huge 10'+ hands and that catch radius.
I don't like the baggage and with supplemental picks you never know who will be available next year and this guy is at least a year away so any jump is mitagated.
Tough call.
He planned to transfer and prove that he had cleaned up his act but we don't really have the reason why he decied to ditch that plan and try the supplemental draft but with QB RG III going for a record windfall of draft picks and with WR Kendall Wright going pretty high in the draft he would have to feel the iron is hot for Baylor offensive players connected to the passing game and I would have to agree.
He's got physical gifts, nice size over 6'3, huge hands over 10', and a wide catch radius.
He has had some issue with drops. I don't know who to compare him to but the closest I know of who recently entered the NFL draft after missing a year due to suspension and with limited WR experience with 'somewhat' similiar skills is WR Greg Little who went at the end of the second round.
The very first glimpse the NFL decision makers get of Gordon and he comes up with a 'respectable' but not fantastic 40 and he gimps up a quad.
I don't see anyone who gives an honest evaluation of him dishing a second round pick. A third still seems high to me but if he goes for a fourth round pick I think that would be in the acceptable ballpark but I think that someone will pull the trigger in the third round.
He seems raw and now I do have some concerns over his conditioning and we really don't have the book on him so I think their is risk/reward but the reward would be at least a year off.
Wide receivers are tough to predict and supplemental guys are really-really tough to predict IMHO.
The one thing I do like is those huge 10'+ hands and that catch radius.
I don't like the baggage and with supplemental picks you never know who will be available next year and this guy is at least a year away so any jump is mitagated.
Tough call.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he passed a surprise drug test, so he has that going for him
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Brian Quick is a much better prospect. 6'5 220, faster and with better hands
identikit
Footballguy
per Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora):
--When i got on the phone with supplemental draft WR Josh Gordon late last night he had just hung up with RG3, his former Baylor QB...
--RG3 is pushing the Redskins brass hard to land Gordon in tomorrow's draft. Many teams interested, about 20 at Gordon's pro day Tues...
--When i got on the phone with supplemental draft WR Josh Gordon late last night he had just hung up with RG3, his former Baylor QB...
--RG3 is pushing the Redskins brass hard to land Gordon in tomorrow's draft. Many teams interested, about 20 at Gordon's pro day Tues...
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The "some one else's shoes" part is not a joke - he forgot to bring his shoes and had to borrow a pair.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
And he was the 2.01 pick. I don't think many expect him to be picked that high.
Xue
Footballguy
Sweed is the one player that Gordon reminds me of the most actually.But I was referring to this past year. Wes Kemp, Missouri: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=83339&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Quick ran a slower 40.
cstu
Footballguy
He ran a 4.48 at his pro day.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm as big of a prospect junkee as anyone, but the combine stat headedness still baffles me. An inch, a few pounds, a tick slower - whatever - makes little difference on the field. If the guy's a freak it's one thing, but those are few and far between. Gordon's not a freak, neither are most of the guys cited. He fits the criteria of a good football player, but...can he play?
I haven't seen much of him, but the reports I'm reading are better than the ones I read about another guy I hadn't seen much of - Brian Quick. Whether a team spends a #2, #3, #4, etc. on him or not depends entirely on how he does in interviews.
I haven't seen much of him, but the reports I'm reading are better than the ones I read about another guy I hadn't seen much of - Brian Quick. Whether a team spends a #2, #3, #4, etc. on him or not depends entirely on how he does in interviews.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
What is the best destination for him? What is the worst? In terms of short term and long term fantasy production. I like San Diego as a landing spot or even Wahington. Indy?.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
The Allen Wranglers just freed up a WR spot recently.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
why do you continue to post here?
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Not sure what you are referring to.
Faust
MVP
MAC_32
Footballguy
#4 WR on my board, but given all the RB's I like before the WR's - mid 2nd round. I got LMJ at 2.4 and Jenkins at 2.6 in May but if Gordon goes to a good spot and was available I'd have taken him instead.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Feeling better and better about my snagging him earlier. I now have Kendall Wright, Josh Gordon, Chris Givens, and AJ Jenkins on the squad and like those players in that order.
FavreCo
Footballguy
My prediction still stands at Washington.Best: One of my FF QBs - Atl & NYG. Other than that, Saints, Chargers? Indy would be interesting for dynasty. Texans would be interesting too.Worst: Jax of course but they have their crew set, Cleveland since thay are looking at him.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
think it makes sense for Cleveland... not a huge window for Weeden given his advanced age, so getting another WR weapon a year earlier is worth some risk...
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree plus they are near the top of the pecking order.
Close, Calvin wasn't going to run at the combine and was going to wait until his Pro-Day but he said "screw it" and borrowed shoes. (Although I think some reports said they were his shoes he had lent to someone else that he borrowed back.)
