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WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)
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Caring about being liked of a fake football board and acting a clown to get attention? Lol...Im good bro.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Can you two just take some of whatever Josh Gordon was taking before checking into rehab and chill?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Until the NFL announces something why would one make a move now? We've held this long, it's not like there's anything on the wire to take the roster spot with the potential payout. Make the NFL act. We don't know nearly enough to make a drop. Maybe he did do something, but unless the NFL can prove that with a test (can they?) he may just get clear. We don't know if he's already failed, if he thinks he'll fail and is hiding out from the testing schedule, or something else altogether. It's nuts to cut bait until we actually know.
amnesiac
beer is good
Soulfly3
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I disagree. The NFL is going to test him (if they haven't already) as soon as he gets out I would think as a Gordon on you would have had enough by now. Is it really worth it to wait? I guess if you have a roster spot available and there is absolutely no one available then maybe, but IMO it's a wasted spot.
metoo
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
DropKick
Footballguy
Agree that the wire is relatively bare and that is the bottom line on the decision to waive him. But we do know plenty about Josh Gordon. He became the biggest screw-up in the league the moment Manziel was gone. Not sure waiting on the league to act is much of an answer since they can move pretty slowly at times.All the things you mentioned are bad; a failure, an imminent failure. or dodging a test are all negative outcomes. The writing is on the wall - there is no positive conclusion.
In situations other than ridiculously deep rosters, he should be the first guy released to acquire someone from the wire.
Dismattle
Footballguy
Theres nothing like striking some fear into the enemy.. Obviously Josh in the lineup should have some effect, if he doesnt have some notation by his name..
But aside from the chance of your opponent making some poor lineup choice to compensate.. (all homerun plays w/ no floor)
Can ya post the other options? It might be best to hold off on starting for a bit.
Dizzy
Footballguy
boilerdave
Footballguy
I dropped Gordon for Corey Coleman in one of my leagues and for Moncrief in another.
IMO there are available players that have a greater potential payout than Gordon.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
So how does it work for the Browns if he comes off suspension on Monday? Do they have to start paying him or release him?
VaTerp
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
I'm fairly certain the team does not have to pay you if you are willfully absent from the games.
DropKick
Footballguy
Might as well ask, what happens if "hyenas fly from my butt wearing purple turbans"... about the same probability.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And odds are, he's off hitting a bong somewhere.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Terry Pluto sums it up on JG.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/10/cleveland_browns_have_terry_ta_82.html
... this current front office/coaching staff has become even more frustrated and weary of playing the Waiting For Gordon game than the past few regimes. At Friday's press conference, Hue Jackson made it clear that he was "done talking" about Gordon.
As the coach said, "He's not going to be with us. We wish him well, but we're moving forward."
The new front office and coaching staff quietly cut Johnny Manziel last spring. It quietly traded Justin Gilbert to Pittsburgh, where he has yet to play a defensive snap.
My guess is Gordon will be gone at some point.
... A few thoughts:
1. Is he really a "Pro Bowl talent"? By that, I mean it goes beyond physical ability. A big part of being a pro is reliability and durability. Gordon has neither of those traits.
2. Gordon has not appeared in a regular season game since 2014. If you look back at his five games that season, he performed poorly. He didn't learn the playbook. He didn't show up for the flight for the last game -- and was suspended by the team.
3. His last and only good season was 2013, and he was suspended for two games that year.
4. How desperate is he to really get back on the field? How serious is he about dealing with his addiction problem? These are huge questions, none of which he's answered the right way in the last three years.
5. Yes, the Browns have given the fans migraines. But how has Gordon treated the Browns ... and yes, the fans who stick by him? He has teased and frustrated so many coaches, teammates and fans over the last few years.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2016/10/cleveland_browns_have_terry_ta_82.html
... this current front office/coaching staff has become even more frustrated and weary of playing the Waiting For Gordon game than the past few regimes. At Friday's press conference, Hue Jackson made it clear that he was "done talking" about Gordon.
As the coach said, "He's not going to be with us. We wish him well, but we're moving forward."
The new front office and coaching staff quietly cut Johnny Manziel last spring. It quietly traded Justin Gilbert to Pittsburgh, where he has yet to play a defensive snap.
My guess is Gordon will be gone at some point.
... A few thoughts:
1. Is he really a "Pro Bowl talent"? By that, I mean it goes beyond physical ability. A big part of being a pro is reliability and durability. Gordon has neither of those traits.
2. Gordon has not appeared in a regular season game since 2014. If you look back at his five games that season, he performed poorly. He didn't learn the playbook. He didn't show up for the flight for the last game -- and was suspended by the team.
3. His last and only good season was 2013, and he was suspended for two games that year.
4. How desperate is he to really get back on the field? How serious is he about dealing with his addiction problem? These are huge questions, none of which he's answered the right way in the last three years.
5. Yes, the Browns have given the fans migraines. But how has Gordon treated the Browns ... and yes, the fans who stick by him? He has teased and frustrated so many coaches, teammates and fans over the last few years.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hue is the difference here and he may have done this if he was coach last year or the year before. Browns fans should be encouraged.
I never been to rehab but I always thought you could leave when you wanted if it was voluntary and you weren't a risk. I own him and I know I'm keeping him until atleast week 8 when the bye weeks start hurting me
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I chucked him last night from the one team I owned him. Roster spots are way too valuable, especially as the byes get going, to waste one on a pothead who hasn't been a good producer in three years.
Gordon has proven to be both selfish and stupid. Deciding to hang with Manziel showed the world how serious he was taking all of this. And there is zero chance that this "voluntary" rehab check-in is voluntary. He's not intelligent enough for that.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Here's my current fantasy football rankings for Gordons:
1. Jeff Gordon
2. Dee Gordon
3. Alex Gordon
4. Gordon Ramsey
5. Eric Gordon
6. Gordon Lightfoot
7. Gordon the Big Engine (Thomas and Friends)
8. Kim Gordon
9. Gordon Gekko
10. Josh Gordon, WR, Cleveland Browns
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Wow. I never expected this.
However, if I were a Josh Gordon owner I would still hold on to him for another 12 years. You never can be sure what "slip-up" really means. We just don't know.
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spider321
Footballguy
SHOCKED, I tell ya, SHOCKED!!!
...but I agree with Max.
We should all hold on to him for another 3 years, just to be sure.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
Will skilled lawyers be able to craft an argument that if Gordon did slip up, that it stemmed from a legitimate addiction for which he is seeking bona-fide professional healthcare treatment and that any further suspension as permitted by the CBA is nonetheless a violation of his rights under the Americans with Disabilities Act?
Slippery slope. All these pot heads will check in to rehab when they feel they may have pee'd hot.
spider321
Footballguy
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pghrob
Hail to the Chief
Somebody's gotta be the first to attempt to game the system, find the loopholes, and exploit any advantage they can to preserve their opportunities to try to have their cake and eat it too.
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Still, do we really know FOR SURE when a person admits an addiction that they REALLY have an addiction? I would hold onto Gordon for another year or two just in case it doesn't mean what you think it means.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Alcohol not weed, which makes much more sense.
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/343374/josh-gordon-went-to-rehab-for-alcohol-problem?ls=roto:CLE:topheadlines
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/343374/josh-gordon-went-to-rehab-for-alcohol-problem?ls=roto:CLE:topheadlines
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And also gives clarity on the timeline - generally 7-10 days to detox before rehab even starts.
he'll be out in 45-90 days IMO.
And to those saying he's a hold (the serious ones, not the hilarious ones) might want to consider that by checking himself in for alcohol he is admitting that he violated the terms of his NFL "double secret probation".
I would hold in leagues with benches over 40 players deep. Dynasty he's probably a hold, as you never know....maybe he plays for someone next season.
5:1 says there's more for this story....
