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You probably should have quoted the guy who asked that question then instead of mine. I was simply countering another posters argument that their off season moves somehow show that they are very confident that he is returning this year.
I thought you won FF contests by scoring more points than your opponent. Didn't realize "potential" points counted. My bad.
It's June. How many points have any of your players scored for you this season? It's all potential points right now - every last one of them. If you're in a dynasty league, then every rookie draft pick you make is nothing but potential fantasy points as they have yet to score a single one for you in an NFL game. This guy has the potential to score as many of those points as some other WRs taken many, many rounds ahead of where he's being taken.
I am not onboard with this take. Brady had Edelman suspended for four games and Brady himself was hurt with a knee injury later in the year that pretty much coincided with Gordon being out. They also made a concerted effort to bulk up the running game for the playoffs.
Just noting correlation. 11 games is not too small of a population.
Sure there were other factors as well - but just a few other stats from last year to get you thinking....
I agree that the Pats run an amoeba offense and reconfigure to fit who is on their roster (obviously with great success). Not sure they are moving to more of a deep threat style with less dink and dunk. That may have been true 2-3 years ago when they had Cooks and Hogan. Brady was not as efficient or as accurate last year, and I don't think they had many deep throws. They had some, like you said, when they sucked in the defense to stop the run or when it was third down anyway and Brady just took a deep shot. But they still ran a ton of underneath routes and tosses to White to set up 2nd or 3rd and short.
Certainly having someone else to throw to helped Brady, but I think there really is no good way to look at the numbers and conclude much of anything. As already indicated, no Edelman was a huge issue. Brady hurt was a huge issue. Then after finally having some games with JG, then they had to rearrange things to make do without him . . . which certainly didn't help any.
Harry and Gordon are unlike any WRs the Pats have had since Moss. The receivers were filling roles on the deep side, but they didn't excel against man to man. They essentially kept the defense honest. These receivers should win more of those 50/50 balls than they lose. Put them both on the field with a big back and you have a mismatch against most NFL teams somewhere.
Jealous?
No. Sponsors are themselves former addicts for t'ment purposes. Anybody who knows anything about addiction can tell you that.
True. But regardless, you need a sober foundation. Maybe that is the difference between a foster - addict and non-addict? I really don't know. I imagine that Josh will have his sponsor in Florida. Maybe they work together? But, again, I think Tom Brady taking a direct role in the mans recovery has to point to good things.
I will always be somewhat skeptical about Gordon and both his recovery and chances of relapse. I am sure the Patriots would love to have Gordon back ASAP, and maybe some of having Kraft and Brady intervening since he came to town is for show. Maybe they are trying to put even more of a marketing and PR spin to get the league to buy in that this time things really are different. It's great that Brady may want to take JG under his wing, but was there really a need to go public about it? How on earth could Brady have any common ground in understanding or relating to Gordon's inner demons?
Honestly, It seems to me that Brady started posting his workouts on twitter right when JG stopped posting his. I have never seen (or heard of) Brady working out to the extent he has been this off season. We all know Gordon is a workout madman. Gordon didn't tweet that pass catch from Brady. That was Brady that tweeted the catch. Like he has been tweeting workouts all summer.
It's like this: Brady won't fix Gordon. Gordon will fix Gordon, or he won't. What I'm hoping for is the scenario were Gordon has grown tired of the suffering, and Gordon fixes Gordon. If that plays out the media will schlurp Brady and the culture and blah blah blah but in the end its all on Josh. Brady and the culture can only try to assist / positively reinforce.
Agreed that in the end Gordon will or won't fix his own issues. Of course, an important piece in that recovery is having a solid support system, and anything Brady can do in that regard is a plus. Unlike the NFL drug policy, which keeps a suspended player away from their team entirely, potentially isolating the person while also removing a huge part of their structure/support system. That makes about as much sense as most things Goodell does under his 'protect the shield' system of justice. Hoping Gordon puts it together enough to get back on the field for a few consecutive seasons.
Do you remember any Patriots to talk to the media and not play poker? If he did know, do YOU think he would say?
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Could you link me to the article where it shows he failed a drug test or violated his probation please? This is news to me.[icon] said:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001002110/article/patriots-josh-gordon-suspended-indefinitely-by-nfl
That doesn't mean that he failed a drug test. It means exactly what it says.
Violating terms of his reinstatement could have meant he skipped one or more treatment counseling appointments.
Nope. That's what "indefinite" means. The last time they suspended him for failed tests was also indefinite, never had a definitive number of games attached, and ended up being over a year.
At the stage JG was at, the league had set up a specific rehabilitative care and compliance program for Gordon to follow. He broke the rules and received an indefinite suspension. He was past the point of a failed drug test = X number of games suspension. It was break the rules and be suspended indefinitely.
The only thing I would point out is that Ian Rappaport was the source for all three articles. But thank you for the source. It at least adds some credibility to the claim he tested positive. I have not been under that impression. "More than marijuana" seems interesting as Gordon himself had said he had not done anything besides marijuana since college. Interesting. Thanks again.
I saw two different articles. One said “more than marijuana” and the other said he submitted a dilute sample. Not sure if it was both or either.
He wasn't terrible last year, but I am not sure I would describe him as having "some really big games." In the weeks he suited up, his weekly rankings in ppr leagues were:
Quality post in a thread usually not known for them. I've owned Gordon in 2 dynasty leagues for many years. I've made up my mind about the risk/reward and he owns a roster spot until he is officially permanently banned from the league or retires. Would I try and trade for him if I didn't own him? Probably not. Definitely not now with the news out. But he is a sure hold. Can't speak from a redraft perspective as I don't play. Certainly worth a late round flyer in Best Ball leagues depending on how far he falls. The potential is undeniable as is the risk. I root for the kid to succeed. It's fun watching him play football.
can’t tell if this is shtick or not 
