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WR Josh Gordon, KC (9 Viewers)
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False Start
Footballguy
Thats the issue, doesn't change that Gordon broke the rules.
That being said, if the rules are changed he should not be suspended. If they are not, then he deserves his suspension.
I am right there with you - I picked up a lottery ticket this morning. If it pans out - great. If not, I'll toss him back in the FA pile next week.
And clearly, as a nation, our thoughts on pot usage is changing - so these changes make sense, and I expect by the next CBA they will be relaxed even more.
And so it seems, some sanity will be restored , to both the league, and this thread.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I think he's going by the NFL year, not the calendar year. I think it starts in March.didn't all reports say he failed in 2014? January. So yes... 2013 season, potentially... but the year 2014.One of Bree's tweets:
"Worth mentioning that Josh Gordon's failed drug test reportedly came in the 2013 league year. So he wouldn't necessarily be off the hook."
Wouldn't that be the final kick in the balls? Policy is CHANGED, ruling is RETROACTIVELY applied...but Gordon failed a test a month too early to get the get out of jail free card.
Would be interesting
Its not really about whether he broke the rules though - if he is reinstated, it will be purely based on part of a collectively bargained negotiation - not based on some morality decision about whether the rules were fair or not.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Literally sending out lowball offers in my dynasty leagues.
(HULK)
(Smash)
With testing at the levels they have them at, it is entirely possible to fail based upon being in the same room as someone smoking pot. If thats the INTENT of that rule, its ridiculous. I don't think that is the intent though. The rule is don't smoke pot, and I'm not sure he broke that rule.
If he plays this year I'll be overjoyed. If he doesn't I'll move on. To the people who don't own him and are in this thread just to piss all over people - you're embarrassing yourself. You're purposely being an ### just so maybe you can say 'told you so!' on the internet. On the internet. Where nobody but you will care because we'll all have dropped Josh and moved on.
Oh, I am pretty sure he broke that rule. But I think the NFL wants him back in the league. I think they are simply using this as a carrot to get the players to agree to the HGH testing.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Being tested weekly like he was, if he actually took a few hits like 10 minutes after his prior test, it'd be tough to get it back down to those levels in 1 week imo.
Kevrunner
Footballguy
I dropped him in one of mine, it was a redraft, going to try and get'em back when waivers open up. I did trade for him in 2 of my dynasty leagues recently, so I am invested, not that anyone cares. I won't invest anything into Justin Blackmon though, alcohol is his crutch and I don't think he is going to shake it.
pennystock
Footballguy
I don't understand how they can change an existing suspension which was incurred under the rules that existed at the time. If you break the law as it exists at the time you performed the act, then you broke the law even if it changes after the fact to make your act legal. There is also precedence just this year in the Ray Rice situation. They changed the rule to be an automatic six(?) week suspension for a first time offense, yet Ray Rice is still only on a two game suspension.
I would be surprised if Gordon played this year.
Full disclosure: Non-Gordan owner, but J. Cameron owner in several leagues so maybe the above is just wishful thinking.
I would be surprised if Gordon played this year.
Full disclosure: Non-Gordan owner, but J. Cameron owner in several leagues so maybe the above is just wishful thinking.
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
Picked him up in 3/4 leagues. Not banking on him coming back, but only uses up a roster spot that would be a week 1 bench spot anyway, since no bye weeks. Assuming we find out by Sunday, I can throw him back on waivers if the suspension is not reduced from 16 games. Freeroll.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Ive drafted him on aug 23 and have add dropped him about 4 times since then. LOL man what a roller coaster.
Adam Harstad
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
And you're lecturing them. On the internet. Where none of them care about your lecture.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Figures, the only time this situation gets intriguing in anyway and we have our worst page in months, which is saying something.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Pretty ####### awesome guys. Some of us were in on Gordon months ago. I called him playing all 16 in early August. Some guys jumped all over me. That's cool. People don't realize all the #### that can happen. It's a crazy life man. Chaos. You gotta be ready to profit from that chaos. Read some Taleb, guys . Black swans and ####. Now people are in on Gordon, some of us were here months ago, and you guys were hating. Some of you are still hating, which is fine. Some of us are about to win some fantasy football leagues though.
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GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
You can end up with the right results even if your process is wrong... Doesn't mean I'd give him credit per say but he'd still be right
RUSF18
Footballguy
I'm pretty surprised the NFLPA is willing to give in to HGH testing just for the few players who are getting popped on recreational drug use. The difference in the number who will be affected is enormous. Have we actually seen quotes from NFLPA leadership that they are looking to get this deal done? I very possibly could have missed them. But it makes me think that the NFL is floating this to try to tell the public what they want to hear, that they're willing to "decriminalize" MJ when they really know the vast majority of the players have no interest in being subject to HGH testing.
Admittedly, I have not kept up with the story - but didn't the players already agree to HGH testing in the last round of the CBA? I thought it has been bogged down in the details since then. If so, they really are not giving in much here, and quite frankly getting a pretty big benefit as it relates to pot and amphetamines - any retroactive reduction in penalties is just a bonus.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, you're a real genius. I can't believe you called this. You are totally right to talk ####.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Well, since I just pick him up in a re-draft league, I am looking for "this year" to be a little more defined...
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Just bought for $57 in blind bid waivers this am... Out of $100
Just for price check purposes
Just for price check purposes
VaTerp
Footballguy
There is still no way in hell I see Gordon playing 16 games this year. I think it's still an incredible long shot that he plays at all this season.
But I hope you're right. Just picked him up in my 14 team league where I'm super weak at WR. This would more than make up for last year when I had Blackmon and the year I had Travis Henry.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
If re-instated immediately, I agree. The Washington Post report indicated that the suspension could be modified, so the bid should probably be reduced depending on how many games he actually gets.
cstu
Footballguy
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
When Gordon's appeal was going on and people were in here chirping about how his suspensions was going to get reduced to 6-8 games, I really had no idea how anyone could draw that conclusion. You had to be ignorant of what the appeal was about. The appeal was always going to be 0 or 16 games, with 16 being the heavy favorite. He either failed the test, or he didn't.
This is similar to me, although not to the same extent. If the NFLPA negotiates a new drug test threshold and gets the NFL to apply to new test limits to existing players under suspension, then Gordon would get off completely. Why would he get suspended for 4, 6 or 8 games? The new rules would apply, and apply to his previous test. There's no reason for him to be suspended at all.
Just to be clear, that's IF they negotiate new limits, and IF the NFL signs off on applying it retroactively, and IF Gordon failed the test during the right timer period.
But as long as we're going to live in that hypothetical space, we might as well apply the circumstances to it. Like before, I don't see how Gordon serves anything other than a 0 or 16 game sentence.
This is similar to me, although not to the same extent. If the NFLPA negotiates a new drug test threshold and gets the NFL to apply to new test limits to existing players under suspension, then Gordon would get off completely. Why would he get suspended for 4, 6 or 8 games? The new rules would apply, and apply to his previous test. There's no reason for him to be suspended at all.
Just to be clear, that's IF they negotiate new limits, and IF the NFL signs off on applying it retroactively, and IF Gordon failed the test during the right timer period.
But as long as we're going to live in that hypothetical space, we might as well apply the circumstances to it. Like before, I don't see how Gordon serves anything other than a 0 or 16 game sentence.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I agree that it's still a tall order. I'm just not going to laugh at people for dropping their kicker or Malcom Floyd to hold on to Gordon for a few days, as some other are.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I have the max bid in now... I'll wait until Monday and see what happens and adjust as necessary. Or forget it about it and blow my wad for no reason, lol.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Well, it COULD be a game or two until this thing is in effect. In which case, it would be a game or two suspension. But yeah, I agree with everything else here.
NJ
Footballguy
This part I still don't get. He failed the codeine test last year and appealed, but that wasn't 0 or 4 games, it was reduced to 2.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm debating something similar as 4 other teams and I have our full budget left and apparently the earliest bid gets it if there are tying bids. I'm afraid that I will forget it or somehow screw something up that won't let me change it . . .
I'm hearing Gordon won't play this Sunday even if the suspension is lifted, but 15 games played is still a pretty healthy fix for my team.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Goodell cut him a break. That wasn't a ruling by an arbitrator.
Gordon's appeal this year was around arguing that he didn't/shouldn't have failed the test. The question before the arbitrator was that - did he or did he not fail?
If yes - 16 games
If no - 0 games
The only way it was going to be any other number was if NFL/Gordon negotiated another number, thereby avoiding the appeal's outcome, but that wasn't going to happen as it had been months since he failed the test and there were no talks.
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Just dropped Kelvin Benjamin for him... Benjamin will be on waivers till sunday or tuesday and i have priority 3 and im deep at WR.. so hoping for good news
cstu
Footballguy
My opinion all along has been that Gordon should absolutely be rostered at least until the season starts.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I snagged him for $2 out of $100 this morning. Fairly sharky league, too. Not much confidence apparently.
Really hoping to get the last laugh...
