destro
Footballguy
If true, that should bode well for Pead, because he played out of the spread a lot in college.
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Gawain
Footballguy
Richardson. Best in space.
ETA-ACU also runs a spread offense IIRC. They hung up 90+ on West Texas a few years ago, though I don't think Richardson was there then.
Just looked it up. Bernard Scott had a pretty good day. 292 rushing yards, 6 TDs...61 receiving yards for another score.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Commodores ran a version of the spread offense as well. Zac Stacy is a good pass protector in this type of offense as the single back.
I see the things that Austin and Bailey did at WV translating very well into the Air Coryell Schottenheimer runs. I think many parts of the Oklahoma spread translate to this offense as well.
I see the things that Austin and Bailey did at WV translating very well into the Air Coryell Schottenheimer runs. I think many parts of the Oklahoma spread translate to this offense as well.
karl722
Footballguy
ruggerschr
Footballguy
I love how Richardson beats out Pead (clearly) all of last season, Pead comes back this year and gets suspended and then after the draft where the Rams take a 5th round back the conversation turns to Pead vs. Stacy. Am i crazy or should the Pead vs. Stacy debate be about who will be backing up Richardson. People can talk all they want about what they want, but talent can only compare when it is placed together and Richardson was clearly the better option for Offense than Pead. The question is, how will Stacy compare? Better than Pead or might he actually be as good as Richardson? We shall see.
Richardson beat out Pead as the COP guy behind SJax. I'm not convinced that he is a workhorse, between the tackles back.
He will obviously be part of the committee, but the 'lead back' in this offense will be Pead or Stacy.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
The suspension thing is being overblown. He was suspended this offseason for something he did last offseason. By all accounts he has been more focused this offseason, and I think that's more important to Fisher.
Bamac
Footballguy
Wow, that's a mischaracterization. An efficient market doesn't get everything right. (If it did, there would be no need for a market.). A market is efficient -- and this is a rough definition -- if no individual is systematically better at predicting outcomes than the market.
From the combine:
Richardson is 5'10 192 and has a 40" vert.
Pead is 5'10 196 and has a 33" vert.
So they're both around the same size but Richardson has much more leg strength. If either one was to be the main rb in that offense, I'm going with Richardson.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
You will need to explain better than that, because I do not understand your point at all. You say an efficient market does not get everything right, that is what I am saying as well. So how am I mischarecterizing anything?
You have folks here who seemingly think that the NFL draft is a process so good that no one outside it could ever do better. Even though there are multiple examples over time of draft position not being the deciding factor on which players get touches/starting positions.
A higher draft pick, as in this example will get more opportunity to prove themselves than a later pick will. But that player will still have to prove themselves better than their competition to earn that position. Where they are drafted is not enough.
If you would explain where I am wrong that would be greatly appreciated.
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So nice to have Jeff Fisher here to clarify. Seriously though here is another POV, Daryl is a better player than Pead. Not just a better COP guy but better in all aspects. Stacy is there to fill a pounder/short yardage role. Marion Barber or Lendale White come to mind. Pead will be the backup.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I do believe Pead missed all the offseason work due to him coming out as a jr as where Richardson came out as a senior and got to learn the playbook. That could definitely explain the difference between the production last year.
I hear what the above poster is saying, that D-Rich had the #'s but if you watch the game he is a scat back type back. I don't care about size being similar, the style the 2 run with are very different.
I traded for both in the offseason so I don't care but I totally believe Pead will be the guy
I hear what the above poster is saying, that D-Rich had the #'s but if you watch the game he is a scat back type back. I don't care about size being similar, the style the 2 run with are very different.
I traded for both in the offseason so I don't care but I totally believe Pead will be the guy
Xue
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This is somewhat speculation on my part. But I notice that Pead was a punt returner in his senior season. Did the Rams perhaps value him a bit more as a draft prospect because of this potential?
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
What makes you think that? All of his TDs last year? Not that I'm sold on Pead, but he will have 1st crack at starting without a doubt. Richardson is just a marginal talent in the NFL and wouldn't crack another team's roster if let go today
Andrew74
Footballguy
And yet he soundly beat out Pead last year.
plastik
Footballguy
Pead highlights 2012
Richardson highlights 2012
I know Richardson played much more (which I think is telling as well) so these aren't exactly a fair comparison, but still he looks to me like the far superior player. He looks faster, more explosive, stronger and seems to have better vision... I think Richardson is the guy to have here and agree with previous posters that Stacy fits the mold of a short yardage bruiser.
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Faust
MVP
On a simple evaluation of who played better last year, the conclusion that can be drawn is that Richardson was better than Pead. This however, was based on last year's results, and I am reminded all the time in Fantasy Football that "past performance is no guarantee of future results".
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I am a Rams fan and watched pretty much every game last year and Richardson was a nice running back but didn't give me the WOW factor. The clips that I saw on this YOUTUBE clip were very impressive but I don't think it was every touch he got as where Pead (due to his lack of touches) was pretty much every clip and I feel comfortable in saying I see the talent in the way Pead runs. I have both so I don't care and I do see Richardson getting touches but I think it will be a 60-30-10 between Pead, DRich and Stacy in that order.
I really like Pead's ability
I will say D Rich's highlighted reel did impress me though
Faust
MVP
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
if richardson becomes one of the best RBs in the league for the next three years or so like foster, than your point will be well taken... anything to suggest this might happen?
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I liked Pead headed into this competition, but man, aside from a few reports saying he really wants the job, it doesn't sound like he's trying really hard to get the job. One report said he got so frustrated he had to play video games, another one said he got so bored he was throwing a tennis ball off the ground, but none of them said he was running stairs at the stadium or anything like that.
None of that is definitive, but in my valuation, he went from an unknown who I thought was the leader to get carries to an unknown who is a darkhorse to get carries.
None of that is definitive, but in my valuation, he went from an unknown who I thought was the leader to get carries to an unknown who is a darkhorse to get carries.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Has Pead's field vision improved enough to quit running up the rear end of his offensive lineman or from taking everything else to the outside?
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He had a lot better vision in college, there isn't much of a sample in the NFL to say.
BruceAlmighty
Footballguy
In the last 5 games last year richardson's best stat line was 5 carries for 9 yds. He had double digit carries twice but no meaningful work down the stretch. The most valuable piece of information we have on this situation, in my opinion, is Adam Shefter picking Pead as his breakout player of the year. Shefter and Fisher have been close since Fisher's days in Nashville.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
BruceAlmighty
Footballguy
This situation will ultimately be Jeff Fisher's call. Shefter is closer to Fisher than most anyone else in the media. I think it's wise to listen to what he says.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
So, what you're insinuating is that Jeff Fisher hinted to Shefter that Pead will breakout this year? If not, then what I'm saying is that I don't value Adam Shefter's evaluation of talent.
I don't have any news to suggest this might happen. It just seems that the conclusion that Pead will be the starter based on being drafted in an earlier round is tough to justify based on what we know now. I think it's a toss up between all 3 guys for who will be the starter for the last 1/3 of the season.if richardson becomes one of the best RBs in the league for the next three years or so like foster, than your point will be well taken... anything to suggest this might happen?
BruceAlmighty
Footballguy
That's exactly what I'm insinuating. Here's an article that talks about it:
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2013/2/25/4028136/peter-king-adam-schefter-isaiah-pead-nfc-breakout-player-in-2013
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That article doesn't give a whole lot to indicate that Fisher said anything about Pead.
BruceAlmighty
Footballguy
I never said he did. I said Schefter, who has a history of getting inside dope from Jeff Fisher, said Pead would be this year's breakout player. If you dont think Adam Schefter knows his business, that's fine. I admit, he could be wrong. But it's been my experience that he's about as plugged in as it gets, especially with this particular coach. If you choose to ignore it, that's fine too. Personally, I'm buying Pead at every opportunity.JohnnyU said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
So following the links this stems from PFT-
Drafting of Austin confirms importance of a good return player to the Rams.
As far as what Schefter reported on sports center right after the draft, he sounds bored and perhaps a bit too much in his thesaurus that morning.
This does kind of confirm that Pead was on several teams boards around the league as a COP RB and potential punt returner, which are hard to find.
Drafting of Austin confirms importance of a good return player to the Rams.
As far as what Schefter reported on sports center right after the draft, he sounds bored and perhaps a bit too much in his thesaurus that morning.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
You can't ignore your eyes and my eyes tells me Pead doesn't have it. Maybe Richardson doesn't either. Maybe Stacy does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe they all suck.
Faust
MVP
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Pead = JJ Arrington IMO
bulger2holt
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Noah Davis
Footballguy
Pead highlights 2012
Richardson highlights 2012
From those two clips Pead had more technical proficiency to build off of than Richardson. After watching those two highlight reels I'd choose Pead. Richardson is the sexier pick by far - extremely fast and flashy but Pead showed good leg churn, pushed piles, and ran between the tackles better when you consider this is a "highlight reel" and you can't evaluate players by those.
Richardson highlights 2012
From those two clips Pead had more technical proficiency to build off of than Richardson. After watching those two highlight reels I'd choose Pead. Richardson is the sexier pick by far - extremely fast and flashy but Pead showed good leg churn, pushed piles, and ran between the tackles better when you consider this is a "highlight reel" and you can't evaluate players by those.
Faust
MVP
Rams waive Isaiah Pead, former second-round pick:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000542325/article/rams-waive-isaiah-pead-former-secondround-pick
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000542325/article/rams-waive-isaiah-pead-former-secondround-pick
