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Anybody buying on Demarco Murray? (2 Viewers)
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Additionally, no Felix at practice today.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Felix back practicing today. No word on Murray yet. Today could be the decider for him. If he's right back at it after yesterday's practice, it could mean good things for this weekend.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
fresh off the blogger:
Cowboys | DeMarco Murray likely to play Thu Nov 29, 12:36 PM
The chances of Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray (foot) playing in Week 13 look good, according to a team trainer.
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Cowboys | DeMarco Murray practicing Thu Nov 29, 12:33 PM
Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray (foot) is taking part in practice Thursday, Nov. 29. Murray left practice briefly but returned and is doing drills with teammates
Cowboys | DeMarco Murray likely to play Thu Nov 29, 12:36 PM
The chances of Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray (foot) playing in Week 13 look good, according to a team trainer.
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Cowboys | DeMarco Murray practicing Thu Nov 29, 12:33 PM
Dallas Cowboys RB DeMarco Murray (foot) is taking part in practice Thursday, Nov. 29. Murray left practice briefly but returned and is doing drills with teammates
Nick Eatman@nickeatman
Felix jones makes it out to practice ..Murray also on the field but went inside with a trainer.Doesn't seem serious . Still expected to play
10 minutes later...
Nick Eatman@nickeatman
Murray jogs out to practice .. Should be fine for this week
http://twitter.com/nickeatman
Felix jones makes it out to practice ..Murray also on the field but went inside with a trainer.Doesn't seem serious . Still expected to play
10 minutes later...
Nick Eatman@nickeatman
Murray jogs out to practice .. Should be fine for this week
http://twitter.com/nickeatman
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
From Rotoworld, Murray now has two straight days of practice in this week.
My heart skipped a few beats re: Murray. Whenever you see "Murray" and "trainer" or "jogs out" in the same sentence, it normally doesn't end well.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
So who are people benching to play him if no setbacks? I will probably bench Beanie even though his matchup is decent
NajehHejan
Footballguy
Exciting that he may return this week, and the matchup is juicy, but you have to worry about a snap count or time share first game back. Prudent to wait a week before starting him if you have that luxury.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I did that with beanie and regretted also did it with mendy vs philly and regretted it.If he starts he starts for me over beanie
Q: would you start J. Rodgers tonight over Murray?
"The Waterboy"
Footballguy
I did!!!! I had to go the safer route....
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Chose Murray over Turner minutes before the game lol. Oops?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Chose Murray over Jacquizz right before the game. Feel like I may have dodged a bullet.Noticed that FBG is taking a wait/see approach on Murray in the projections. It will be interesting to see the adjustments as the weekend moves along, if any are made.'ConnSKINS26 said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good to know. Adjust your boards accordingly.
loose circuits
Footballguy
if we knew this as fact, he would be a top 5 pick.
At 11.5 FP/gm last year, top 5 would be a huge reach. If he played 16 games, that would be on par with Chris Johnson who was RB12 last year. I'm not sure where that ranked in PPG, probably somewhere around RB18.
Shutout
Footballguy
He was also quoted recently as saying something along the lines of "I'd rather play 5-6 games the way I play rather than play a bunch tip-toeing".
So the same issue exists and even he knows it: his style of play suggests you can't get a full season from him. I admit, I went from hating this guy and calling him brittle and severely overrated to actually liking him because of his situation and crossing my fingers and I have now come full circle. I just can not get on board with this guy. There is great potential but as I learned in FF 101, potential is a french word that means "Ain't done s#!t yet."
I just can't put my eggs in the DeMarco basket because I just don't trust he will be there when really needed. That injury of his last year dragged on so long and was so frustrating to owners trying to get into the playoffs, it made me think that the team is clearly exercising more than usual caution when he gets gimpy. I don't need that when I'm trying to make a run.
So the same issue exists and even he knows it: his style of play suggests you can't get a full season from him. I admit, I went from hating this guy and calling him brittle and severely overrated to actually liking him because of his situation and crossing my fingers and I have now come full circle. I just can not get on board with this guy. There is great potential but as I learned in FF 101, potential is a french word that means "Ain't done s#!t yet."
I just can't put my eggs in the DeMarco basket because I just don't trust he will be there when really needed. That injury of his last year dragged on so long and was so frustrating to owners trying to get into the playoffs, it made me think that the team is clearly exercising more than usual caution when he gets gimpy. I don't need that when I'm trying to make a run.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
And what style of play is this? Murry missed 1 game over his last two seasons at OU, in which he got a crazy number of touches. His two NFL injuries were due to awkward contact. This isn't Beanie Wells, or even Hakeem Nicks, yet.
He could very well prove to be injury prone. But he could have simply had some bad luck on a couple plays too. We'll see.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I feel like you can't rely on him for more than a #3 RB. Even for your #3 RB, do you want someone who you feel is likely to miss 1/3 to 1/2 of games? I could keep him at a round 8 value this year, but I also don't see the upside that others do. He doesn't even score enough TDs to give him upside worth the risk.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
That includes games in which he was hampered and didn't finish. Top 5 might be a bit of a stretch, but if healthy for a season, I think he'd finish closer to 5 than 18. The Dallas offensive line was a joke last season, and is much improved, if only by being healhty and replacing Costa. He is a PPR machine when healhty, and his handcuff was productive and cheap to acquire. As long as you had Felix last year, Murray wasn't much of a bust.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'm not ready to slap an "injury-prone" tag on Murray yet either, but he's over-rated by many all the same. He's a good RB, not a great one IMO. He also plays on an offense with arguably the best passing game talent in the NFL, and for a coaching staff that is evidently allergic to running the ball in the redzone. And with one exception, the o-line there is rank.
Over 16 healthy games I see him as a RB2, and I kind of doubt you can get him at that price -- certainly not in dynasty leagues.
Over 16 healthy games I see him as a RB2, and I kind of doubt you can get him at that price -- certainly not in dynasty leagues.
Frank Black
Footballguy
True, I had Murray and Felix last year and things worked out alright. This year, though, the handcuff situation is more uncertain and may not be as productive.I agree with the poster who sees him as a #2 RB even if healthy, due to lack of TDs. The reality is that him likely missing some games or being dinged up and not as effective makes him a #3 RB.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
He's a guy you pick if he slips in the draft but screw spending a Top 3 Round pick on him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think I would rather have Randle on the super cheap.
I do not think Murray is a top 5 round pick much less a top 5 overall pick.
I do not think Murray is a top 5 round pick much less a top 5 overall pick.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'll still be looking to draft him in re-draft if he falls to late RB2 range. RBs get hurt and it's too early to assume Murray has an issue. If the injuries were related or chronic, I'd be more concerned that I am. But awkward contact happens in football, and I assume most would break their ankle and sprain their foot if put in those exact situations. I could be wrong, but I'd be willing to gamble.
As for his production, in PPR leagues - it's been steady, despite the lack of TDs. The Cowboys actually started running the ball more at the goal line last year, most of those TDs went to Felix, however, as Murray was out. I think 8 TDs and 50 receptions are a good bet, if healthy. 16 carries a game at 4.4 is 1,126 and that's conservative. 350-400 on his receptions. I see a very likely path to top 12 PPR numbers if healthy.
Just my thoughts. I'm always willing to roll the dice on the injury front, especially on guys with cheap handcuffs. I can understand the other side of the argument, however.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
So is he considered a value in the 5th or later?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'd be pretty happy with him as my RB3 / flex, particularly in PPR, so yes, good value in the 5th in most formats. But there are still a lot of folks drinking the top-5 potential RB Kool Aid so I don't see him lasting that long at all. Guess we'll see in August...
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Unless he gets some serious injury, my guess is you will not see him available in the 5th round in any leagues at all
Shutout
Footballguy
Unless of course he takes a nagging pre-season injury where he misses most of the pre-season games and/or they say he might miss a game or two to start the season. If that happens, there is enough latent history of his "little" injuries that seem to keep popping up and lingering for unusual lengths of time to probably make him fall in a good number of leagues and that is really the best scenario for FF owners. he falls to where you can actually draft him as a RB3. You don't depend on him each week but you love the upside he can give if he holds up.
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Faust
MVP
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hell, why not 3,000?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
At his current price in a lot of places, I will gladly buy. When he plays, he plays well.
The whole "he will never stay healthy" thing is far too early for me to say that will always be the case. In two years he has missed games due to 2 injuries.
He certainly has the potential to be good as he has shown, and I wouldnt call it surprising at all if he strings together a few years where he stays pretty healthy.
I agree that I wont pay a ton for him, but when I see him at times get traded for something like a 2014 1st and a so-so rookie or something, I will happily buy buy buy at that cost.
The whole "he will never stay healthy" thing is far too early for me to say that will always be the case. In two years he has missed games due to 2 injuries.
He certainly has the potential to be good as he has shown, and I wouldnt call it surprising at all if he strings together a few years where he stays pretty healthy.
I agree that I wont pay a ton for him, but when I see him at times get traded for something like a 2014 1st and a so-so rookie or something, I will happily buy buy buy at that cost.
MCguidance
Footballguy
Looked good before the injury.
From the sound of the comments after the game, it doesn't seem too serious.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/9822066/demarcus-ware-quad-demarco-murray-knee-dallas-cowboys-game
From the sound of the comments after the game, it doesn't seem too serious.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/9822066/demarcus-ware-quad-demarco-murray-knee-dallas-cowboys-game
fbelange
Footballguy
Potential 4-6 weeks reports from a NEWSPAPER. Its hard to believe their sources as they claim themselves its only specualtive.
A lot of players play rhoguh sprained MCL's. Why would this put Murray out for 6 friggin weeks? I need him. Before I make a block-buster trade I should probably wait on official word from the Cowboys. Buts its not looking great at the moment.
A lot of players play rhoguh sprained MCL's. Why would this put Murray out for 6 friggin weeks? I need him. Before I make a block-buster trade I should probably wait on official word from the Cowboys. Buts its not looking great at the moment.
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
it depends how bad the sprain is.
Fred Jackson had a sprained MCL this year and didnt miss any weeks.
So who knows.
Fred Jackson had a sprained MCL this year and didnt miss any weeks.
So who knows.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
If DeMarco is out I may have to restore to desperate measures, like starting my first round draft pick (Spiller).
murray was quoted saying he thinks he can play this weekend..... but he said that ALL OF LAST YEAR on Wednesdays/Thursdays when he had the foot injury... it was very frustrating... so i don't believe anything he says... i'm expecting him to miss at least 2 games (just my guess).... btw, thank you jerry jones for coming out and saying dunbar isnt playing this week, makes my waiver claim on randle much more confident 
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Cowboys aren't long term...
It's painful to try to watch this guy change directions. The Rams make this guy look like a superstar. Certainly wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to giving him his next contract. Solid RB, but will never hold up over 16 game season with his running style.
DeMarco Murray - RB - Cowboys
Appearing on GameDay Morning, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Cowboys are not sold on DeMarco Murray long-term.
Rapoport suggested the Cowboys aren't sold on Murray due to durability concerns. (He's going to miss his tenth game in three seasons Sunday.) Dallas may look to make a move for a running back at the trade deadline, though they'll likely take a long look at Joseph Randle, who will get the start in place of Murray against the Eagles this week. Murray doesn't do a good enough job at avoiding contact.
It's painful to try to watch this guy change directions. The Rams make this guy look like a superstar. Certainly wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to giving him his next contract. Solid RB, but will never hold up over 16 game season with his running style.
DeMarco Murray - RB - Cowboys
Appearing on GameDay Morning, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Cowboys are not sold on DeMarco Murray long-term.
Rapoport suggested the Cowboys aren't sold on Murray due to durability concerns. (He's going to miss his tenth game in three seasons Sunday.) Dallas may look to make a move for a running back at the trade deadline, though they'll likely take a long look at Joseph Randle, who will get the start in place of Murray against the Eagles this week. Murray doesn't do a good enough job at avoiding contact.
duaneok66
Footballguy
tdhartis
Footballguy
I can't decide if Murray is still a buy-low in redraft. He has a pretty favorable playoff schedule for those that start in week 14, but the Cowboys seem to forget about the run for games at a time, and he can't stay healthy.
FWIW I'm considering shipping off LeVeon Bell/Douglas for him, but think it might be too big of a risk.
EDIT: Pulled the trigger on the above offer and the Murray owner promptly accepted. I'll keep everyone updated as the season progresses.
FWIW I'm considering shipping off LeVeon Bell/Douglas for him, but think it might be too big of a risk.
EDIT: Pulled the trigger on the above offer and the Murray owner promptly accepted. I'll keep everyone updated as the season progresses.
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Faust
MVP
DeMarco Murray, Tony Romo not seeing eye to eyeMurray had the opening score today, so this tension is likely overblown.
