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Tannehill's upside (1 Viewer)
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cstu
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
Tannehill has all the weapons he needs now he should be able to put the season a top pick like him should put together.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I don't watch many dolphins games but what is the hype on this guy. Nothing about his stats jump out saying he took a big step last year.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Funny thing is I'd argue his stats weren't really indicative of his performance. If you didn't watch any games last year, you didn't miss anything. This from a homer and dynasty owner
plastik
Footballguy
Homer and owner here too. I'd say he's improved incrementally each of the last three seasons, which is obviously a plus, and last year was his first in a new system that seems to exploit his strengths. Also he's very smart about tucking the ball and running, and he's got some surprising athleticism, which pads the fantasy stats nicely. These things, plus what should be improved targets in the passing game have many expecting another incremental improvement this year, and in most formats he was already a low end QB1 last year.
I'd still like to see some improved game management and decision making from him, and everyone says he can't throw deep, but I'm of the opinion that this last point is a little overblown. Mike Wallace made some horrible plays on the ball the last few years, and his effort was really lacking at times too. Tannehill did fine connecting deep with Hartline and Matthews, though obviously the volume on those guys was low.
Catbird
Footballguy
I'm not sure what people are expecting here. Last year 11 QBs threw for 4,000 yards and Tanne was one of them. He tied for 12th in TDs thrown and only 3 of the other QBs with four thousand yards threw fewer INTs. He was fifth in QB rushing yards. He is still clearly growing into the position, had a pretty bad OL and a mediocre cast of receivers (certainly no one else who threw for 4,000 had less to work with) and all of those guys except Ryan and Stafford are well over 30. He isn't Andrew Luck, but there are a lot of reasons to be excited about him going forward.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Agreed that Wallace was awful. He flat out gave up on plays, but Tanne has not shown he can connect deep. My main issue is his pocket awareness. Hopefully that improves moving forward. He's a decent QB
Todem
Footballguy
I want to see it in a game at full speed...not in camp with ideal conditions in a bubble. I love a lot of things about this kid. Great leader in the huddle, respected by his teammates, tireless worker. He has a lot of great qualities. Look I want Tannehill to be the man......but until I see it consistently week after week, he is a second tier QB in the NFL. Fantasy wise he can rise more this season if...
1. Our OL improves dramatically. Our star LT is coming off ACL surgery and our guards are a huge question mark,yet again.
2. His pocket presence and footwork improve as it was piss poor in many games last season as he took way too many sacks. Tannehill looked robotic in the pocket too many times. He has great feet and speed for a QB...use it and use it often. His rookie year was his best in the pocket IMO and it seemed to me the coaching staff neutered him in year 2 and it carried over to year 3. Let him loose.
3. Jordan, Stills and Jennings play well. We already know Landry will be stout. Also keep an eye out for Dion James. He has really developed and may surprise many this year.
This is the year it really has to come together. As a Dolphins fan it better because the team went all in with his extension. Great QB's rise above. Tannehill has zero excuses this season. He has plenty of talent around him, and an OC that has the right system for his strengths to be featured.
Come on Tanny...be the man.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They made his play naked? No wonder he has no downfield confidence with little Tanny flapping in the breeze.
Faust
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TripItUp
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
I haven't read the thread, so this may have already been covered.
I like Tannehill as a player, but I don't like that he seemingly has been in a situation in flux the entirety of his career. New coaches, new systems, new OL, new receiving corps, new backfield.
This year it seems like he has a lot of new faces all over again. Maybe he can overcome that, but I personally think that all that transition every year has kept his numbers down. It's hard getting a new unit all on the same page from the start of the season.
He might be a good candidate to trade for part way through the fantasy season should he start slowly. Might be had for a discount.
I like Tannehill as a player, but I don't like that he seemingly has been in a situation in flux the entirety of his career. New coaches, new systems, new OL, new receiving corps, new backfield.
This year it seems like he has a lot of new faces all over again. Maybe he can overcome that, but I personally think that all that transition every year has kept his numbers down. It's hard getting a new unit all on the same page from the start of the season.
He might be a good candidate to trade for part way through the fantasy season should he start slowly. Might be had for a discount.
georg013
Footballguy
Rivers has been average at best lately. He has flatlined while Tanne is on his way up.
Bradford hasn't played a full season in I dont know how long. So I guess you value the system more than the player. Pass.
Palmer is 40 years old playing with a 40 year old WR1. No thanks.
Brady is still Brady but wil miss a couple of games. Give me the younger guy with more weapons and versatility.
The only guy I would consider taking over Tanne at this point is Stafford. But I have them neck and neck. This list is lame and ridiculous but it's yours so I won't knock it. That's not what the Shark Tank is about.
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mikmak8902
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mikmak8902
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TripItUp
Footballguy
Rivers outscored him last year and is a better QB overall
Bradford is an upside play
Palmer is my guy, I have him ranked higher than pretty much everybody so I'm in the minority here
Brady is a PPG play
Todem
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
I have Palmer ranked higher than pretty much everybody.
Bradford is an upside play...so I'd rather have Tanne has my #1 but would rather have Bradford as my #2...if that makes sense.
Todem
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
For clarification anybody = other FFers, not all other QBs.
I have Palmer ranked12 in my qb rankings...which is the highest I've seen this year.
georg013
Footballguy
Rivers is a hell of a quarterback when he is on. At this EXACT moment, I guess I could see that. But after this seaosn, I think Tanne gets him.
Again, I can't stand behind Bradford until he shows something. He has been all potential up to this point. Can he hold up? We will see.
Brady is Brady but I think Tanne edges him out. He showed flashes of elite production last year.
The way you feel about Palmer is the way most owners feel about Tanne. I own both Stafford and Tanne and will probably be starting Tanne this season despite being high on Stafford. I think he is going to round the corner this year and blow up. Exciting times. Do or die season.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Last year the difference between QB12 and QB17 was essentially 1 fantasy ppg. Basically the difference of a tipped pass in the end zone getting intercepted instead of completed or a QB could have ranked 5 spots higher.
As we have debated in multiple other threads, starting Palmer when other teams have much stronger fantasy starters is not a plus for your squad. In theory, you should have a little more scoring elsewhere. How that all shakes out over the course of a season is hard to predict.
In your scenario, Palmer would have to survive the entire season without getting hurt while still going for 4300/32 to rank that high. He's had one season of 4200 passing yards and one season with 32 TD (10 years ago). IMO, while not impossible, I think it would be improbable to expect that from someone 36 years old that doesn't run pretty much at all.
TripItUp
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In my scenario, Palmer is always my #2 QB. Just because I have him ranked #12 does not mean I draft him #12...that would be dumb since I can almost always draft him as QB #18 or lower.
Rankings do not equal draft spot.
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Anarchy99
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I still don't feel great that Tannehill has to play with: Kenny Stills (new), Greg Jennings (new), Devante Parker (rookie), Jordan Cameron (new), and Jay Ajayi (rookie). We have no idea how this group will perform together.
Using Brady as an example, when he lost Gronkowski, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, Woodhead, and Branch, his numbers suffered a lot that season. Again using Brady as an example, he returns most of the same targets as last year and they added Chandler at TE (a clear upgrade to anyone else they had as a second TE). IMO, Brady stands a much greater chance of doing well returning the same core group than Tannehill does returning only Jarvis Landry.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I don't care where you draft someone. I care how they perform, especially in a league where you submit an actual lineup. If you draft Palmer and Bradford (which I think you are suggesting), if neither one of them scores at or near the Top consistently you are still losing out on QB scoring. You would effectively have the benefit of one other position in your starting line up (ie, the team that drafted a QB early had to forgo a better RB or WR). The rest of your starters will be the same. You may end up with a better bench (in theory) by waiting on QB, but IMO you are still losing out in your regular starting line up if Palmer doesn't do exceedingly better than expected and does so consistently. Your strategy might work better in a best ball league or contest where you don't have to name a starting QB.
TripItUp
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I am not suggesting this is an optimal strategy. So there is a misunderstanding here.
My QB strategy is to pair Matt Ryan/Matthew Stafford with Palmer and/or Bradford.
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