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Yeah its more about what Kelly didn't say when asked a simple question. He could have ended all speculation and just say Vick's his starter. The fact that he back-tracked from his comments after the Giants game indicates he was impressed by Foles' performance. It's certainly not a slam-dunk Vick is back under center when he's healthy.
I agree with the last part but you can't fault Kelly for putting the guy who gives him the best chance to win out there. It's one thing when us fans watch a game and say a guy stinks but he watches the tape and knows the players. If he chooses Vick, that's his declaration he's going as far as he can this year and Vick is his best chance in his mind right or wrong.
I believe Kelly said that practice reps will be determined by health. I don't think he said that specifically about who starts next game. With that being said, Vick was originally supposed to miss 2-3 weeks, so I highly doubt he plays this week.
While I do think Kelly prefers that element in his QBs, I also think he's a practical coach. I think he can see something in Foles and would like to see if there is more there while he pretty much knows what he has in Vick at this point. There's limitations to his game. Before he got hurt in the Giants game, Vick did not complete a single pass in the first quarter and went 6/14 for 105 yards for the game. Yes he had the rushing yards but passing has to be part of the equation and Foles is definitely a better passer than Vick.
It's what got him here, so you can't blame the guy. With Vick's passing limitations inside the 20s he'll learn 3 < 7 eventually.
Difference is Luck has the full support of the entire franchise behind him and no capable veteran as an alternate. Foles is in because the veteran starter got hurt. He has to play well at least once more to get another start and then play well again to possibly cement the job.
And he just may be a freshman or sophmore in college who we wont draft until 2015, 2016 or 2017.
I can't think of one, it may even cause some to return to school for 2014.
I'm really not sure how you can draw that conclusion, at least not from looking at his college QB. Darron Thomas, wasn't the most mobile QB. He posted a 4.8sec 40 yard dash which is essentially, Peyton Manning levels of speed. By comparison Nick Foles posted a 5.14 40 yard dash. Obviously insanely slow and slower than Thomas. My point really being that Thomas wasn't some lightning fast QB. He was smart and understood Kelly's offense and was able to make all the proper reads and progressions in the offense. That is A LOT more important to Kelly's style of offense than Vick's legs. Kelly's offense is at it's most potent when operated by someone who understands the entirety of the scheme. Someone who can read the defense, assign proper blocking, make the proper audibles and keep the offense moving at a good speed without having to think to much when they get to the line. Those are things that Vick fails at in every facet of actual game play and Foles excels at in every facet. Foles is accurate and smart. The offense on Sunday looked more crisp than it has all season under Vick and against the best defense the Eagles have faced. If Foles comes out and does this again this week? He's the starter until he gets hurt, at least in my opinion.
Lets not mention the heralded "QB of the future," who is currently cramming for mid-terms, has to beat Foles in a head-to-head competition. Good luck with that.
See....I don't think this is true. If the draft is so full of "franchise QBs", why would anyone trade a decent pick for a guy his own team is trying to trade away to get one of those franchise QB's??? IE: A deep QB draft will depress the value of FA QBs
All it takes is one, Foles will be 'proven' in the NFL whereas the rest are just projections. Regardless of what happens I don't think they can get a 1 for him, but a 2? Sure, if the next 10 games go like I think they will. Draft the guy day one, work the phone over night, let those war rooms re-evaluate their plan then move him day 2.
Go watch him vs TB last season or Dal and Was the second time around. Even the duds he dropped vs Car and Cin weren't as bad as you'd think giving the situation he was in and how the games played out. He didn't play like a typical rookie. The numbers don't lie
He has showed steady progression with a few wtf plays mixed in. Problem is even on his top end he's not a guy that's going to win you games, if they can replace him with someone that could be that guy they'd be crazy not to. Foles has QB purgatory written all over him, talk to Cincy and Houston fans how that's gone for them.
I'm begging someone to actually make some sense for me here. It's your pure guess vs my educated guess right now.
Again, your gut feeling vs 100's of factual data points that suggest he can be great. Who do you think will be right longterm?
I would absolutely love to see you back this up with some hard data points. To me this seems 100% strictly your gut instinct on Foles.
No one bats 1.000, but my batting percentage is very good, so I am confident in it.
Your eyes are deceiving you. You can actually go and check the numbers. I'm sure someone has already did the homework for you if you google it.
Most people on this site rely on data, I think it's why I continually bump heads with people here. That and I'm an #######.
Chip Kelly doesn't call the plays? scheme for the opponent?He just accounted for 7 of the last 8 TDs
Say what you will about Darron Thomas' speed and athleticism, but he had about 150 rush attempts in his two years starting for Oregon/Kelly.
I dont agree with the bold. He showed the ability just a week ago to play at a pretty high level, on the road.
Please read this all:Say what you will about Darron Thomas' speed and athleticism, but he had about 150 rush attempts in his two years starting for Oregon/Kelly.
The Oregon QBs had 25%, 18%, 13%, and 21% of the team's rushing attempts in the 4 years Kelly was coach.
Thru 5 games this year, Vick carried about 20% of the Eagles' rushes.
Seems like a pretty important element of their offense to me.
At the moment, the only way I see them dealing him is if he looks good and we finish say 8-8/ 9-7 and make or narrowly miss the playoffs and we still take a QB. In that scenerio I can see them trading him.
He was a massive failure in game 1 vs. Dallas last year. Took a sack on a 3rd down late but got bailed out by Damaris Johnson on a short throw on 4th taking it all the way down to the 1. Then on their last ditch effort he got strip 6'd on a sack.
In most of the games he's played he's looked like the same QB I saw at Arizona.
Yes he showed growing pains last season. He had a decent completion percentage in some of the games and came close to 8 YPA in a lot of them.
Based on the bolded, I think you're confusing him with Vick. Foles is the tall guy who doesn't take sacks or make bad decisions and converts in the red zone. Vick's the other guy.
Lol, Vick's exactly that, only worse. Saying Foles doesn't take sacks, make bad decisions, and plays well in the red zone is false though. It's too bad, for evaluation purposes, he doesn't draw any real defenses during the regular season to really test him. Maybe Detropit and Chicago can, too bad he didn't play vs. KC.
Interesting stuff, thanks. The point remains, with Foles in the game the defense has to be less concerned about the QB running. It's one less option for them to defend against.Please read this all:Say what you will about Darron Thomas' speed and athleticism, but he had about 150 rush attempts in his two years starting for Oregon/Kelly.
The Oregon QBs had 25%, 18%, 13%, and 21% of the team's rushing attempts in the 4 years Kelly was coach.
Thru 5 games this year, Vick carried about 20% of the Eagles' rushes.
Seems like a pretty important element of their offense to me.
@Tim_McManus: Good All-22 post from @SheilKapadia: How the offense works with Nick Foles at the helm. http://t.co/FtLeeqwyYc
The bar is very low. He will be better, if only because Vick is awful at all of those things.
Small sample size, but I believe he's been sacked twice in 63 PA, no turnovers, 67% completion, and the Eagles' RZ efficiency has been better with Foles. The TB defense was ranked 11th IIRC before last week. Leading up to that game it was thought to be a tough test for him. Just because he did well is no reason to diminish the Tampa D.
Every QB takes sacks and makes a bad decision every so often.
#1 Apparently my I trust Chip Kelly point is getting lost.
vs Tampa Bay this year
