Dynasty: NON-Draft eligible College prospects

[Dinsy Ejotuz 12,882]

Todd Gurley 6'1 218Keith Marshall 5'11 216

I've given up believing anything I read about HTs/WTs/Speeds etc until the combine. They are rarely anywhere close to correct.

[tdmills 144]

Todd Gurley 6'1 218Keith Marshall 5'11 216

I've given up believing anything I read about HTs/WTs/Speeds etc until the combine. They are rarely anywhere close to correct.

True, this is what I found from ESPN.com on the roster page.

[Xue 245]

I'm very confused about the roster listing of two freshman RB's for Georgia that are good prospects.Todd Gurley 6'1 218Keith Marshall 5'11 216Yes 2 inch difference, but it looks like a 30 lb difference in pads.Am I wrong here?

Those weights look right to me. Some guys simply play heavier than their actual weight. There are numerous 220+ lb RBs who have no power or strength at all. See: Anthony Dixon and Terrance Ganaway.Marshall is simply a finesse runner and Gurley is a power runner.Another is example is David Wilson and Cyrus Gray. They're both the same height and weight. But one clearly plays stronger than the other.

[Xue 245]

Funny how most of this thread is about guys that are already household names.

I really like the physical presence of Quincy Enunwa from NU. He still needs polish as a junior but the guy is a load to bring down and reminds me of TO with his strength after the catch but needs to work on his hands

I will take the bait:

A couple of Mid-american RB with production and NFL size (not sure of the speed on either)

Jahwan edwards Ball state 5'10" 225

David Flullen toledo 6'0" 215

Here are some Jahwan Edwards

. I'm impressed with his vision and burst through the hole. Also some very good feet for a 225-pounder. I said it before, I see a LOT of Montee Ball in him. Watch the cut at :17. That's something I see Ball do a lot of.

[Xue 245]

Davante Adams made two ridiculous catches tonight:

[Redmen62 9]

2013 Developmental Draft Rankings:

Running Back

4. Joe Bergeron Texas

Highlights:

A.

B. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skm1gNS7MN8

As a Texas fan I've seen every game he's played, and I can tell you he's probably not an NFL RB, much less a top draft prospect. He's a nice versatile player with power who could probably play FB in the league, but he lacks the speed and quickness to play RB.

Both Malcolm Brown and Johnathan Gray are much better prospects amongst the Longhorn RBs.

Edited December 25, 2012 by Redmen62

[lsutigers 57]

RB Jeremy Hill (LSU) is the truth.

[DexterDew 69]

reminded me of Steven Jackson with his size and speed

[Xue 245]

reminded me of Steven Jackson with his size and speed

I see Deuce McAllister. Jeremy Hill is everything we want from Le'Veon Bell.

[Xue 245]

With Stepfan Taylor leaving, I'm excited to see more of Remound Wright next year (as well as Barry Sanders, Jr. of course):

[BruceAlmighty 10]

Two young wrs I really like are Stefan Diggs and Nelson Algholar. Jeff Driskel (Florida qb) has the metrics that nfl scouts will love. I think he's a better prospect than Manziel. At rb I like TJ Yeldon and Todd Gurley. Keith Marshall, Gurley's backup, is also pretty good.

Edit: Completely forgot Jeremy Hill. I think his skill set is the best of all of the young rbs but he has some obvious character concerns.

Edited January 2, 2013 by BruceAlmighty

[BeTheMatch 516]

Yesterday's game was the only full Georgia game I've seen all year. Watched the RBs closely. While it was just one game, I felt like I wanted to like Marshall more than I did. Yes, he's fast. But he didn't make anyone miss and just didn't seem very instinctual. He did make a great catch on the TD, though.

And then Gurley was solid, but he's awfully big already for a true freshman. I worry about his speed already, and he's likely to get even bigger. He did seem more like a football player, though, and I can see why he got the nod over Marshall even though Marshall was more highly recruited.

No question to me that Marshall has a higher ceiling, but he seems to also have more bust potential.

[Concept Coop 1,745]

Yesterday's game was the only full Georgia game I've seen all year. Watched the RBs closely. While it was just one game, I felt like I wanted to like Marshall more than I did. Yes, he's fast. But he didn't make anyone miss and just didn't seem very instinctual. He did make a great catch on the TD, though.And then Gurley was solid, but he's awfully big already for a true freshman. I worry about his speed already, and he's likely to get even bigger. He did seem more like a football player, though, and I can see why he got the nod over Marshall even though Marshall was more highly recruited.No question to me that Marshall has a higher ceiling, but he seems to also have more bust potential.

Gurley's frame looks to be able to add some and retain speed, as long as it's good weight. He doesn't look too big to me at all and he has plenty of speed. I like Gurley a good deal more than Marshall. i like hhim as much as Yeldon, both of whom I like more than the rest of their class.

[DexterDew 69]

i'm really looking forward to the game tonight to see how Teddy performs on the national stage

[EBF 1,924]

i'm really looking forward to the game tonight to see how Teddy performs on the national stage

Yea, it will be interesting. I think he might be the best QB prospect in the 2013 or 2014 classes, but this will be a good test for him.

[Xue 245]

Yesterday's game was the only full Georgia game I've seen all year. Watched the RBs closely. While it was just one game, I felt like I wanted to like Marshall more than I did. Yes, he's fast. But he didn't make anyone miss and just didn't seem very instinctual. He did make a great catch on the TD, though.And then Gurley was solid, but he's awfully big already for a true freshman. I worry about his speed already, and he's likely to get even bigger. He did seem more like a football player, though, and I can see why he got the nod over Marshall even though Marshall was more highly recruited.No question to me that Marshall has a higher ceiling, but he seems to also have more bust potential.

Gurley's frame looks to be able to add some and retain speed, as long as it's good weight. He doesn't look too big to me at all and he has plenty of speed. I like Gurley a good deal more than Marshall. i like hhim as much as Yeldon, both of whom I like more than the rest of their class.

Gurley looks fine at his current weight. He's got enough strength and power already. He's built just like Fred Jackson. They're both 6'1" 216-218 lbs.

[EBF 1,924]

Some other names to throw into the ring:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska

WR Allen Robinson, Penn State

WR Brandon Coleman, Rutgers

TE Xavier Grimble, USC

And then some longer shots:

RB Jela Duncan, Duke

RB Imani Cross, Nebraska

RB Trey Williams, Texas A&M

RB JC Coleman, Virginia Tech

RB Ben Malena, Texas A&M

[Xue 245]

Abdullah has some crazy quicks and strength for a "little" guy. Can run between the tackles. Warrick Dunn-like.

[EBF 1,924]

I like Abdullah. 1000+ yards on 5 YPC. He had a filthy run in that game against Georgia a couple days ago.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8800114

Those are NFL cuts. Size is a question mark, but quickness isn't. And he's 2014 eligible, as opposed to 2015 for Gurley/Yeldon/Hill/etc.

Edited January 3, 2013 by EBF

[Xue 245]

Abdullah reportedly can squat 500+ lbs.

[DexterDew 69]

having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.

What am i missing?

[EBF 1,924]

having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.What am i missing?

It's college football. Even in a good conference, most of the players on the field will never amount to anything in the NFL. That's why the right athlete in the right offense can dominate even if he doesn't have next level skills (Jason White, Tim Tebow, Eric Crouch, etc). Oregon recruits players that fit their scheme and then puts them in situations that exploit their strengths. DeAnthony Thomas is a great example. He's probably not a great NFL prospect because of his build, but he has dynamic speed and quickness that can work wonders in certain situations.

[GDogg 61]

having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.

What am i missing?

It's college football. Even in a good conference, most of the players on the field will never amount to anything in the NFL. That's why the right athlete in the right offense can dominate even if he doesn't have next level skills (Jason White, Tim Tebow, Eric Crouch, etc).

Oregon recruits players that fit their scheme and then puts them in situations that exploit their strengths. DeAnthony Thomas is a great example. He's probably not a great NFL prospect because of his build, but he has dynamic speed and quickness that can work wonders in certain situations.

He's a pretty decent DB prospect, though. Scout had him as both the #1 RB and #1 CB in the nation his senior year at Crenshaw. I could see him getting drafted, then flipped to defense. For a little guy, he hit pretty hard. He'll also probably be a return man in the NFL.

[Xue 245]

I think Byron Marshall will have a better career than Thomas and Barner (and James). Marshall can break tackles and can run inside.

They have a 2013 recruit Thomas Tyner who is 6' 200 lbs and runs a 4.3. Strong runner. Reminds me of Ryan Mathews.

[MAC_32 12,038]

having watched Oregon a few times this year, i'm not sure if any of their stars on offense will do much in the NFL. I think the best of the bunch is Mariota, but he will have to put on some weight to survive. Barner doesn't look special at all. Thomas is too small. The TE Lyerla looks promising.What am i missing?

LMJ 2013 will probably go a long way towards convincing me one way or the other on Barner and Thomas, but the way the game is evolving guys like them can etch meaningful roles as defenses get more and more spread out. More optimistic about Thomas than Barner though. They both have the same issue, they go down too easily when contacted, but there's time for Thomas to build his body up to break tackles whereas that ship may have sailed on Barner. Really like him, but not comfortable snatching him up anywhere until I see LMJ be successful...unless Chip drafts him anyway.

[EBF 1,924]

Thomas will never get that big. Byron Marshall could be a better pro RB prospect. Thomas is more of a gadget kind of player.

The sleeper that I like on Oregon right now is their WR Josh Huff. He seems to have a lot of talent, but doesn't get many chances in their offense. I wouldn't pick him in a dev draft because he's too much of a long shot. One to watch for the future though.

[EBF 1,924]

Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

[Xue 245]

Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

[jurb26 926]

Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

I have no idea what to make of this guy. His QB mechanics seem awful to me but damn is he a great athlete. I'm really looking forward to seeing him next year without his 2 future top 15 NFL pick tackles. That Texas A&M Oline is the best in football outside of maybe Alabama. I'm not sure Alabama's is better either. They get more notoriety and hype be cause they are Alabama and they are totally different as far as strength. Alabama has the best 3 interior linemen in the country, A&M has the best tackles in the country. What's better? Manziel is deadly in the open field but it seems like he has all day to sit back there and eventually a crease opens up. I don't know if he can catch but he looks like he'd be great as a slot WR in the NFL. I'm not sold at all on him playing QB right now. Next year will tell a lot more.

[coolnerd 51]

Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

Given the way the NFL seems to be adapting to QBs by using thing that did in colege well to help with the transition, i could see manziel be a producitve pro. he has good accuracy in the short and intermediate areas, but does not throw as accurate a deep ball. Hard for me to tell how well he reads progrsions since he does scrammble so well/much.

[MAC_32 12,038]

Manziel...gimmick college player or legit franchise QB prospect?

Charles Davis nailed it towards the end of last night's game. He asked around for different people's opinions and they all said the same thing - he's...unique. Tried to pin Flutie on him...no, unique. Russell Wilson...no, unique. RG3 without the 5th gear...no, unique.I think that's right. May not be an elite QB, but franchise? My bet would be on yes.

[tdmills 144]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?

ETA: My top 10=

1) Marqise Lee

2) Todd Gurley

3) Sammy Watkins

4) Ka'Deem Carey

5) TJ Yeldon

6) DaVante Adams

7) TE Washington

8) Austin Hill

9) Stefon Diggs

10)Lache Seastrunk

Edited January 7, 2013 by tdmills

[doowain 823]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

[BeTheMatch 516]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

[doowain 823]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

:lmao:Can't say I can discount your analysis. I think Andrew Luck throws goofy. I'll take the same end results though Edited January 7, 2013 by doowain

[EBF 1,924]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.

[doowain 823]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.

Absolutely. There are no slam dunks. Even Peterson and Richardson weren't slam dunks. AP had injury issues. Richardson had questions about how he'd handle a full load. It's very hard to project a player after 1 year in college in a timeshare. But if you hit...it's huge. I'd much rather gamble on a kid who was a blue chip recruit who got huge playing time as a true freshman coming from THE premier college program. He's more likely to be NFL ready than most RBs in his class.

[tdmills 144]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

He does run goofy, I was always trying to put my finger on it. He generally seems like a player that's one missed tackle away from a huge run, I hate projecting that.

[tdmills 144]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?

ETA: My top 10=

1) Marqise Lee

2) Todd Gurley

3) Sammy Watkins

4) Ka'Deem Carey

5) TJ Yeldon

6) DaVante Adams

7) TE Washington

8) Austin Hill

9) Stefon Diggs

10)Lache Seastrunk

TJ Yeldon climbs that list tonight.

I'm still sticking with my well-thought-out scientific analysis of him: "He runs goofy."

He does look goofy. Whatever the opposite of bow-legged is, that's how he runs. He's got a good burst for a big kid though and pretty quick feet. I like him as a prospect, but wouldn't feel great about burning a top 3 dev pick on him right now.

It is a tough call right now between Seastrunk, Gurley, Hill, Yeldon, and maybe even Carey. I think there's upside there, but probably at least 1-2 grenades. People picking at the top of the dev draft will have some homework to do.

Aka EBF and I are in the same league haha.

[jonboltz 52]

Just traded for both the #1 and #2 devys. Who are the top devys?ETA: My top 10=1) Marqise Lee2) Todd Gurley3) Sammy Watkins4) Ka'Deem Carey5) TJ Yeldon6) DaVante Adams7) TE Washington8) Austin Hill9) Stefon Diggs10)Lache Seastrunk

Would love to see a top-10 that excluded guys that aren't draft-eligible in '14

[DexterDew 69]

good list to start with... my top 10 has 7 of those names. I don't have a clear cut #1 but have 2 Tiers... would be happy with any one of the 1st Tier

[EBF 1,924]

I have a massive list of players covering all years.

Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though.

Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:

QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

RB Lache Seastrunk, Baylor

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama

RB Jeremy Hill, LSU

RB Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona

WR Marqise Lee, USC

WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson

WR Stefon Diggs, Maryland

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

[Dinsy Ejotuz 12,882]

Jeff Garcia 2.0I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?

[BeTheMatch 516]

I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

They said tonight McCarron is coming back for senior year. I really like him a lot. I think he deserves more credit than he gets. He's on my list.

[Time Kibitzer 106]

Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?

Jeff Garcia is his best case? That seems like a very conservative best case to me.

[DexterDew 69]

I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

Good starting point... i do have a Devy question in general: I'm having a real tough time placing a value on under classmen TE's. The lottery that is Devy picks tend to go for the high up side [re: hope they are 1st round picks, the higher the better] The TE's that have been chosen up there are VD and Winslow. If you are a late 1st or 2nd, that is a pretty good sign. In this year's Rookie draft there are a pair of really good TEs that may go late first in the NFL draft, but no one would have considered taking them with a Devy pick last year. The three difference makers right now were not 1st round picks... two had red flags and one was a converted BB player. I would postulate that it is where they ended up that made the most difference... and with Devy picks, who knows where they will land. I know this is true for all Rookies (and at least with Rookie picks, they have usually been drafted in the NFL before FF so destination is known). So my question is: how often are TE's drafted with a Devy pick? Wouldn't you rather wait and see where Eifert, Ertz, reed and Toilolo land before commiting a rare Devy pick?

[Xue 245]

Jeff Garcia 2.0

I see him as a great fit in a WCO.

That's my first thought about his best case. A hybrid of Garcia and Flutie?

Jeff Garcia is his best case? That seems like a very conservative best case to me.

I don't see him doing as much running in the NFL, although he looks like he can avoid big hits better than Griffin. He's also got a quick release, so he's able to get the ball out on short routes.

[Xue 245]

You guys are too high on Ka'Deem Carey. I'd put Ameer Abdullah and Duke Johnson ahead of him.

[EBF 1,924]

I have a massive list of players covering all years. Won't post until after the Deep End dev draft though. Here's a basic top 10 for a generic league:QB Teddy Bridgewater, LouisvilleRB Lache Seastrunk, BaylorRB Todd Gurley, GeorgiaRB TJ Yeldon, AlabamaRB Jeremy Hill, LSURB Ka'Deem Carey, ArizonaWR Marqise Lee, USCWR Sammy Watkins, ClemsonWR Stefon Diggs, MarylandTE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington

Good starting point... i do have a Devy question in general: I'm having a real tough time placing a value on under classmen TE's. The lottery that is Devy picks tend to go for the high up side [re: hope they are 1st round picks, the higher the better] The TE's that have been chosen up there are VD and Winslow. If you are a late 1st or 2nd, that is a pretty good sign. In this year's Rookie draft there are a pair of really good TEs that may go late first in the NFL draft, but no one would have considered taking them with a Devy pick last year. The three difference makers right now were not 1st round picks... two had red flags and one was a converted BB player. I would postulate that it is where they ended up that made the most difference... and with Devy picks, who knows where they will land. I know this is true for all Rookies (and at least with Rookie picks, they have usually been drafted in the NFL before FF so destination is known). So my question is: how often are TE's drafted with a Devy pick? Wouldn't you rather wait and see where Eifert, Ertz, reed and Toilolo land before commiting a rare Devy pick?

Actually, Eifert was picked in some of my dev drafts last year.In general, QBs and TEs fall in dev drafts because everyone would rather gamble on RBs (and to a lesser extent WRs) due to relative scarcity and value. If you hit on a first round RB, you've got a piece of gold on your roster. Even if the guy eventually flops, you can trade him for big value long before that. On the flipside, if you hit on a first round TE or QB you've got a guy who probably still isn't going to command huge value. Think about where guys like Bradford and Gresham went in your rookie drafts. That should pretty much tell you why you won't see a lot of QBs and TEs in the top 4-5 picks of a dev draft. Guys like Bridgewater and Seferian-Jenkins look like good bets for the first round of the next NFL draft, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're a better investment than a RB or WR prospect with more risk. There's also the added factor that even in a league with a split dev and rookie draft, I know that I can always find decent WR/TE/QB prospects in the rookie draft. On the flipside, the dev draft is really your only chance to ever get a top RB prospect unless you have a top 2-3 pick in the rookie draft and someone like Doug Martin, David Wilson, Rashard Mendenhall, or Ryan Mathews emerges from relative obscurity to become a big prospect that year.

[DexterDew 69]

thanks EBF for articulating what my unformulated thoughts are/were