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:goodposting: on Freeman. I'm a tad worried he's not as bulky as MJD/Rice, and his lack of receiving stats are cause for concern, but he's got legit NFL starter talent. I much prefer a guy like Freeman with special qualities over a jack of all trades mediocre talent like Sankey.

Well, not many RBs are as bulky as MJD.

ESPN has Freeman at 5'9" 203. To me, he looks heavier than that. I think when the actual height/weight comes in we'll see that he's right around 30-31 BMI. Maybe even a little bigger. I don't think it will be a question mark for him.

Sankey does some things better than Freeman and vice versa. I like them both, but as a whole, if Sankey is mediocre then Freeman is as well.

Sankey doesn't possess any special qualities that stud NFL RBs possess. He's too slow on his cuts and doesn't possess the quickness or power to make up for it imo. He strikes me as the Jonathan Franklin of this draft, super productive in college, but I think he's going to go quite a bit later than what most draftniks and common fans are predicting. NFLDraftScout currently has him as their top ranked back, I think that ranking will look foolish after draft day.

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Have expanded my prospect database to include future NFL draft prospects. Will be updated throughout the season with updated production. If someone is worth adding (or if their 'first eligible year' i

Updated Freshmen rankings: RBs: 1. Elijah Holyfield 2. Antonio Williams 3. Kyle Porter 4. Travis Homer 5. Tony Jones 6. Amir Rasul 7. Tavien Feaster  

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ETA: That didn't last long, 8 carries for 83 yds and out with a knee to the head

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I think Sankey is bigger and more elusive than Franklin. If you want to make a favorable comparison, there are shades of Doug Martin there.

I think the combine will be especially important for him. There are some guys who you can tell right away are going to ace the drills. With Sankey, I don't really know what's under the hood. With a strong combine, I will consider him a pretty good prospect. With a weak combine, he will look more like Montee Ball to me.

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:goodposting: on Freeman. I'm a tad worried he's not as bulky as MJD/Rice, and his lack of receiving stats are cause for concern, but he's got legit NFL starter talent. I much prefer a guy like Freeman with special qualities over a jack of all trades mediocre talent like Sankey.

Well, not many RBs are as bulky as MJD.

ESPN has Freeman at 5'9" 203. To me, he looks heavier than that. I think when the actual height/weight comes in we'll see that he's right around 30-31 BMI. Maybe even a little bigger. I don't think it will be a question mark for him.

Sankey does some things better than Freeman and vice versa. I like them both, but as a whole, if Sankey is mediocre then Freeman is as well.

Sankey doesn't possess any special qualities that stud NFL RBs possess. He's too slow on his cuts and doesn't possess the quickness or power to make up for it imo. He strikes me as the Jonathan Franklin of this draft, super productive in college, but I think he's going to go quite a bit later than what most draftniks and common fans are predicting. NFLDraftScout currently has him as their top ranked back, I think that ranking will look foolish after draft day.

I'm not sure what footage you have been watching, but Sankey has very good quickness in and out of his cuts. He's got great balance after contact and great vision. He doesn't have the power to run over LBs and DLs but he can truck some DBs here and there. He does a lot of running between the tackles straight up the middle. But when he's in space, he shows explosive playmaking as evidenced vs Boise State in last year's bowl game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7cJ2AW5C8

Balance:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=3m13s

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=6m16s

Foot quickness:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=8m28s

Ankle breaker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL7QDxRNgQk

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i haven't been paying attention to the true Freshmen yet since my Devy drafts are months from now... but saw this quote on Dane Brugler's Twitter feed:

"NFL Scout: "I like (Sammy) Watkins and the (Mike) Evans kid. But the best WR prospect I've seen this season? He’s not a senior..."

"...Not a junior. Not even a soph. It’s true freshman Laquon Treadwell at Mississippi. I'm not a texter, but I texted our GM about him" (2/2)

the source is a little nebulous (put a name on it!), but it did get my attention.

FWIW Dane now has Ebron and Amaro as his co-#1 TEs

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:goodposting: on Freeman. I'm a tad worried he's not as bulky as MJD/Rice, and his lack of receiving stats are cause for concern, but he's got legit NFL starter talent. I much prefer a guy like Freeman with special qualities over a jack of all trades mediocre talent like Sankey.

Well, not many RBs are as bulky as MJD.

ESPN has Freeman at 5'9" 203. To me, he looks heavier than that. I think when the actual height/weight comes in we'll see that he's right around 30-31 BMI. Maybe even a little bigger. I don't think it will be a question mark for him.

Sankey does some things better than Freeman and vice versa. I like them both, but as a whole, if Sankey is mediocre then Freeman is as well.

Sankey doesn't possess any special qualities that stud NFL RBs possess. He's too slow on his cuts and doesn't possess the quickness or power to make up for it imo. He strikes me as the Jonathan Franklin of this draft, super productive in college, but I think he's going to go quite a bit later than what most draftniks and common fans are predicting. NFLDraftScout currently has him as their top ranked back, I think that ranking will look foolish after draft day.

I'm not sure what footage you have been watching, but Sankey has very good quickness in and out of his cuts. He's got great balance after contact and great vision. He doesn't have the power to run over LBs and DLs but he can truck some DBs here and there. He does a lot of running between the tackles straight up the middle. But when he's in space, he shows explosive playmaking as evidenced vs Boise State in last year's bowl game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7cJ2AW5C8

Balance:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=3m13s

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=6m16s

Foot quickness:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=8m28s

Ankle breaker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL7QDxRNgQk

I guess this is just an example of different eyes seeing different things, as I don't see an explosive back in watching that video of him against Boise. He's got good long speed when he's able to use it, but I don't see the skills of an RB who'll be able to create opportunities for himself to use it in the NFL. I'm not seeing the speed in and out of cuts that's comparable to guys like Seastrunk and Devonta Freeman. I also find he's inefficient with his movements when he's not following a blocker.

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In addition to Sammy Watkins, Devonta Freeman, Tahj Boyd, James Wilder Jr., and Jameis Winston, one guy to keep an eye on in the Florida St./Clemson game is Florida St. RB Karlos Williams. Guy converted to running back this year after playing safety last year, and the early return is pretty good to say the least. His size/speed combo is absolutely crazy. Here's a couple of his runs from the season so far:

65 yard TD rush against Nevada

Insane burst after cut on this 19 yard gain

35 yard rush

Nice 17 yard TD rush

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:goodposting: on Freeman. I'm a tad worried he's not as bulky as MJD/Rice, and his lack of receiving stats are cause for concern, but he's got legit NFL starter talent. I much prefer a guy like Freeman with special qualities over a jack of all trades mediocre talent like Sankey.

Well, not many RBs are as bulky as MJD.

ESPN has Freeman at 5'9" 203. To me, he looks heavier than that. I think when the actual height/weight comes in we'll see that he's right around 30-31 BMI. Maybe even a little bigger. I don't think it will be a question mark for him.

Sankey does some things better than Freeman and vice versa. I like them both, but as a whole, if Sankey is mediocre then Freeman is as well.

Sankey doesn't possess any special qualities that stud NFL RBs possess. He's too slow on his cuts and doesn't possess the quickness or power to make up for it imo. He strikes me as the Jonathan Franklin of this draft, super productive in college, but I think he's going to go quite a bit later than what most draftniks and common fans are predicting. NFLDraftScout currently has him as their top ranked back, I think that ranking will look foolish after draft day.

I'm not sure what footage you have been watching, but Sankey has very good quickness in and out of his cuts. He's got great balance after contact and great vision. He doesn't have the power to run over LBs and DLs but he can truck some DBs here and there. He does a lot of running between the tackles straight up the middle. But when he's in space, he shows explosive playmaking as evidenced vs Boise State in last year's bowl game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7cJ2AW5C8

Balance:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=3m13s

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=6m16s

Foot quickness:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=8m28s

Ankle breaker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL7QDxRNgQk

I guess this is just an example of different eyes seeing different things, as I don't see an explosive back in watching that video of him against Boise. He's got good long speed when he's able to use it, but I don't see the skills of an RB who'll be able to create opportunities for himself to use it in the NFL. I'm not seeing the speed in and out of cuts that's comparable to guys like Seastrunk and Devonta Freeman. I also find he's inefficient with his movements when he's not following a blocker.

I'd agree in not labeling Sankey "explosive", but the same applies to Freeman. He has questionable speed as well and he runs a bit reckless at times with questionable vision. Freeman has only had long runs vs cupcake teams. In terms of overall talent, I'd say their not far apart. They're just different.

Seastrunk's pure athletic talent is on a whole other level than those two.

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:goodposting: on Freeman. I'm a tad worried he's not as bulky as MJD/Rice, and his lack of receiving stats are cause for concern, but he's got legit NFL starter talent. I much prefer a guy like Freeman with special qualities over a jack of all trades mediocre talent like Sankey.

Well, not many RBs are as bulky as MJD.

ESPN has Freeman at 5'9" 203. To me, he looks heavier than that. I think when the actual height/weight comes in we'll see that he's right around 30-31 BMI. Maybe even a little bigger. I don't think it will be a question mark for him.

Sankey does some things better than Freeman and vice versa. I like them both, but as a whole, if Sankey is mediocre then Freeman is as well.

Sankey doesn't possess any special qualities that stud NFL RBs possess. He's too slow on his cuts and doesn't possess the quickness or power to make up for it imo. He strikes me as the Jonathan Franklin of this draft, super productive in college, but I think he's going to go quite a bit later than what most draftniks and common fans are predicting. NFLDraftScout currently has him as their top ranked back, I think that ranking will look foolish after draft day.

I'm not sure what footage you have been watching, but Sankey has very good quickness in and out of his cuts. He's got great balance after contact and great vision. He doesn't have the power to run over LBs and DLs but he can truck some DBs here and there. He does a lot of running between the tackles straight up the middle. But when he's in space, he shows explosive playmaking as evidenced vs Boise State in last year's bowl game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7cJ2AW5C8

Balance:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=3m13s

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=6m16s

Foot quickness:

http://youtu.be/S6kmq_sqblg?t=8m28s

Ankle breaker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL7QDxRNgQk

I guess this is just an example of different eyes seeing different things, as I don't see an explosive back in watching that video of him against Boise. He's got good long speed when he's able to use it, but I don't see the skills of an RB who'll be able to create opportunities for himself to use it in the NFL. I'm not seeing the speed in and out of cuts that's comparable to guys like Seastrunk and Devonta Freeman. I also find he's inefficient with his movements when he's not following a blocker.

I'd agree in not labeling Sankey "explosive", but the same applies to Freeman. He has questionable speed as well and he runs a bit reckless at times with questionable vision. Freeman has only had long runs vs cupcake teams. In terms of overall talent, I'd say their not far apart. They're just different.

Seastrunk's pure athletic talent is on a whole other level than those two.

Personally I see an explosive player when I watch Freeman. His long speed probably isn't great, but he's got great burst and displays great quickness in and out of his cuts imo. And I wouldn't say he only has long runs against cupcakes, he's gotten a 20+ yard carry in just about every game over the last 2 seasons, which is pretty good for a guy who only averages ~10 carries a game.

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Kenyan Drake > TJ Yeldon.

I still stand by that. If anything, Drake is no less talented than Yeldon. Drake breaks tackles pretty well for having a slighter frame.

Watch him slow down a bit and fake out the DB with a stutter step then pull away into the endzone. That's a skill Yeldon doesn't possess.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9851155

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Should rename this the Jameis Winston thread.

Quarterbacks don't carry that kind of value in most dynasty leagues (standard start 1 QB). Especially to be talking about him so many years in advance. I'm gonna enjoy his college career for sure, and I think he'll be a great prospect when its all said and done.

But dynasty-wise, right now, he's not much of a factor.

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I don't play FF, but I've been very impressed with Bama true freshman TE OJ Howard. Listed at 6'6" 237 and looks every bit of it. I think he's got potential to be an NFL stud in the future....obviously it's very early though.

This guy is a beast.

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Should rename this the Jameis Winston thread.

Quarterbacks don't carry that kind of value in most dynasty leagues (standard start 1 QB). Especially to be talking about him so many years in advance. I'm gonna enjoy his college career for sure, and I think he'll be a great prospect when its all said and done.

But dynasty-wise, right now, he's not much of a factor.

In Devy leagues, he'd be my top priority add next offseason. I was fortunate to get him in one league already. I wouldn't consider him a non-factor at all... he's one of the best QB's in CFB and will only get better IMO. I might have to start a HOF thread next year for him haha. Future #1 overall pick, not a doubt in my mind.

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Florida State's Jameis Winston outplays Clemson's Tajh Boyd

By Mike Huguenin

College Football 24/7 writer

The Clemson-Florida State matchup was one-sided Saturday night; so was the Tajh Boyd-Jameis Winston quarterback battle.

Winston and the Seminoles embarrassed Boyd and the Tigers 51-14 in a battle of top-five teams and leading Heisman contenders. The beatdown was such that it's hard to imagine Clemson getting back into the top five at any point this season or Boyd being a Heisman finalist. FSU, meanwhile, thrust itself squarely into the national title hunt, and if Winston wasn't a top-three Heisman candidate before the game, he removed any doubt with his performance.

Winston (6-foot-4, 228 pounds) was 22 of 34 for a career-high 444 yards and three touchdowns, and also rushed for a score. Winston was making just his sixth career start, but didn't seem bothered at all by the magnitude of the game.

He showed off his arm strength, his mobility and his preternatural calm in the pocket.

Winston threw two TD passes in the first half, which ended with FSU leading 27-7. He basically put the game on ice when he connected with Rashad Greene on a 72-yard catch-and-run 1:27 into the second half.

FSU finished with 564 total yards, 30 first downs and was 8 of 12 on third down.

Boyd (6-1, 225) played one of his worst games since he became the starter at the beginning of the 2011 season. He finished 17 of 37 for 156 yards, with one touchdown and two picks. Perhaps his only poorer game as a starter came against South Carolina near the end of the 2011 season; he was 11-of-29 for 83 yards, one TD and one pick in that one.

Boyd is a three-year starter, but he looked uncomfortable from the start against Florida State. Clemson lost a fumble on the first play, and FSU scored quickly. The turnover seemed to fluster Boyd. His mechanics broke down, he made poor reads and he appeared jittery in the pocket. If a scout was looking for reasons not to draft Boyd in the first round, he saw those reasons Saturday night.

Mike Huguenin can be reached at mike.huguenin@nfl.com. You also can follow him on Twitter @MikeHuguenin.

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Florida State redshirt freshman QB Jameis Winston completed 22 of 34 attempts for 444 yards, three touchdowns, and an interception in the school's 51-14 win over Clemson.

Winston adding a rushing touchdown. The redshirt freshman is poised beyond his years, displaying veteran pocket movement and never dropping his eyes in the face of a pass rush. We will see at least one more season of Winston at the college level, and we hope his game is not picked apart in 2014. He is an absolute stud.
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Should rename this the Jameis Winston thread.

Quarterbacks don't carry that kind of value in most dynasty leagues (standard start 1 QB). Especially to be talking about him so many years in advance. I'm gonna enjoy his college career for sure, and I think he'll be a great prospect when its all said and done.

But dynasty-wise, right now, he's not much of a factor.

In Devy leagues, he'd be my top priority add next offseason. I was fortunate to get him in one league already. I wouldn't consider him a non-factor at all... he's one of the best QB's in CFB and will only get better IMO. I might have to start a HOF thread next year for him haha. Future #1 overall pick, not a doubt in my mind.

My point remains--QB is just not a high value position in fantasy football. There are so many good options. Obviously if you're rostering a ton of devy's league-wide then Winston is a factor. But in a league like mine where there's a one round devy draft per season (14 teams), you're not going to see a ton of QB's selected period. There's too many startable options now and into the future to spend a devy pick on one.

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Yea, QB is just devalued in most formats. Bridgewater slipped pretty far in my 2013 dev drafts even though he was thought to be a lock top 5 overall draft pick.

When there are only 12-14 teams in your FF league, almost all of them will already have a decent QB. Makes it very hard to trade a QB for good value unless another owner makes a mistake or you've got a guy like Manning who's playing at a higher level than everyone else.

Basically, for a QB dev pick to pan out the guy has to become a top 6-8 player in the entire league at his position. On other hand, if you draft a WR and he becomes the 25th best WR in the league or a RB who becomes the 20th best RB in the league, those guys are probably still starting every game for you.

I think the dev draft is one of your few chances to swing for the fences and potentially get a 1st-2nd round NFL draft talent at a key position. That's mainly what it's all about to me. Second tier prospects can be had in the rookie draft and you can always find a decent QB on the trading block (unless it's a superflex or 2QB or something like that).

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Yea, QB is just devalued in most formats. Bridgewater slipped pretty far in my 2013 dev drafts even though he was thought to be a lock top 5 overall draft pick.

When there are only 12-14 teams in your FF league, almost all of them will already have a decent QB. Makes it very hard to trade a QB for good value unless another owner makes a mistake or you've got a guy like Manning who's playing at a higher level than everyone else.

Basically, for a QB dev pick to pan out the guy has to become a top 6-8 player in the entire league at his position. On other hand, if you draft a WR and he becomes the 25th best WR in the league or a RB who becomes the 20th best RB in the league, those guys are probably still starting every game for you.

I think the dev draft is one of your few chances to swing for the fences and potentially get a 1st-2nd round NFL draft talent at a key position. That's mainly what it's all about to me. Second tier prospects can be had in the rookie draft and you can always find a decent QB on the trading block (unless it's a superflex or 2QB or something like that).

EBF, I couldn't agree more. Highly valued Dev picks change rankings year to year. It could be due to injuries, a player finally given a change to start that no one saw coming, there are a number of things. So when picking Dev picks your taking a bigger chance on them vs a player that is already in the league. Another unknown about Dev picks you have no idea who is drafting them and that's huge too.

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I'm just as curious to see Boyd tonight. Short, but mobile with a live arm and great production. Possibly a first rounder in his own right.

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It was disappointment of a game. This is why I like to see players on my own draft board play against high competition. That is not to say Boyd is trash it just shows how he responded when there's a lot on the line (Romo comes to mind).

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Probably my favorite 2016 prospect so far. Oregon true freshman RB Thomas Tyner:

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/thomas-tyner-s-66-yard-td-run-vs-washington-state-goducks-about-washington-state-oregon-cfb-10-19-13-on-fox-sports-1_yc/6263

Kind of a jerky, upright running style, but he's a demon of an athlete. Ran 10.35 in the 100m as a high school sophomore and already weighs over 200 pounds with the potential to get up to about 215-225. Getting lots of PT with De'Anthony Thomas out. Responding well. 54 carries for 360 yards (6.7 YPC) and 7 TDs in just 6 games played. Also showing nifty ability as a receiver with 8 catches for 98 yards. Had a really nice grab last night where he contorted his body to catch a poorly thrown ball over the middle. Would've been a TD in the NFL, but down by contact on the 2 per NCAA rules.

It's a bit early to say what he is/isn't, but with his rare height/weight/speed combo he seems to be one of those guys like DJ Williams or Julio Jones who was pretty much destined for the NFL from birth.

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Probably my favorite 2016 prospect so far. Oregon RB Thomas Tyner:

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/thomas-tyner-s-66-yard-td-run-vs-washington-state-goducks-about-washington-state-oregon-cfb-10-19-13-on-fox-sports-1_yc/6263

Kind of a jerky, upright running style, but he's a demon of an athlete. Ran 10.35 in the 100m as a high school sophomore and already weighs over 200 pounds with the potential to get up to about 215-225. Getting lots of PT with De'Anthony Thomas out. Responding well. 54 carries for 360 yards (6.7 YPC) and 7 TDs in just 6 games played. Also showing nifty ability as a receiver with 8 catches for 98 yards. Had a really nice grab last night where he contorted his body to catch a poorly thrown ball over the middle. Would've been a TD in the NFL, but down by contact on the 2 per NCAA rules.

It's a bit early to say what he is/isn't, but with his rare height/weight/speed combo he seems to be one of those guys like DJ Williams or Julio Jones who was pretty much destined for the NFL from birth.

Yeah, I've been watching him and I really like what I see but I sometime allow the type of offense cloud my judgment to a degree or two. I tend to prefer player that play in a pro style offense (especially WRs). I've never taken the time to see if there is some merit in my way of thinking but it's without question something I look at even when a player has that wow factor. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong in that regard with the exception of the WR and even at the QB position, college players who play in a pro style system tend to adjust faster or better than those that don't. Just from what I've observed.

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Probably my favorite 2016 prospect so far. Oregon RB Thomas Tyner:

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/thomas-tyner-s-66-yard-td-run-vs-washington-state-goducks-about-washington-state-oregon-cfb-10-19-13-on-fox-sports-1_yc/6263

Kind of a jerky, upright running style, but he's a demon of an athlete. Ran 10.35 in the 100m as a high school sophomore and already weighs over 200 pounds with the potential to get up to about 215-225. Getting lots of PT with De'Anthony Thomas out. Responding well. 54 carries for 360 yards (6.7 YPC) and 7 TDs in just 6 games played. Also showing nifty ability as a receiver with 8 catches for 98 yards. Had a really nice grab last night where he contorted his body to catch a poorly thrown ball over the middle. Would've been a TD in the NFL, but down by contact on the 2 per NCAA rules.

It's a bit early to say what he is/isn't, but with his rare height/weight/speed combo he seems to be one of those guys like DJ Williams or Julio Jones who was pretty much destined for the NFL from birth.

Yeah, I've been watching him and I really like what I see but I sometime allow the type of offense cloud my judgment to a degree or two. I tend to prefer player that play in a pro style offense (especially WRs). I've never taken the time to see if there is some merit in my way of thinking but it's without question something I look at even when a player has that wow factor. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong in that regard with the exception of the WR and even at the QB position, college players who play in a pro style system tend to adjust faster or better than those that don't. Just from what I've observed.

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Yea, Oregon's offense will make any RB with speed look amazing. We've seen that with James, Barner, and DAT.

Why I think Tyner might have a brighter NFL future than those guys is because he's an even freakier speed demon and, more importantly, he's got a much more prototypical RB frame. He's a pretty strong kid and will probably only get bigger over the next 2+ years. By the time he's working out for scouts he should be a real "wow" level combine freak. He's one of the fastest players I've ever seen (up there with Spiller, Ginn, and CJ2K when he hits his top gear). Probably going to run a 4.3 40, broad jump at least 10'8", and weigh in at a fit 215-225.

Very unique athlete. Running style is a little different. A little upright and jerky. He's a strider and not so great at make-you-miss quickness in 1v1 situations, but he's got a very explosive first step and his slashing 45 degree cuts are really fast. As a one-cut-and-go speed back, he's a nightmare. I'd say he runs a little tall for a 5'11" guy, but he can sink his hips when he needs to. Durability could be an issue given that he's a little stiff and upright, but if he stays healthy he's got the potential to be a 1st round NFL draft pick. Definitely had the most "wow" factor of all the HS kids I looked at during this past devy cycle.

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Rotoworld:

ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Florida State redshirt freshman QB Jameis Winston would be the No. 1 pick if eligible for the 2014 NFL Draft.

Winston is only two years out of high school, so he will not be eligible until 2015. Kiper adds that Winston is being mentioned in a similar way that Andrew Luck was. "He's the difference. He is special," Kiper said. "He has made everyone better at Florida State because of his emergence at that quarterback position." The last point is important, since evaluators always ask if quarterbacks lift the talent surrounding them. We still expect Winston to be picked apart by some evaluators next season.
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Probably my favorite 2016 prospect so far. Oregon true freshman RB Thomas Tyner:

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/thomas-tyner-s-66-yard-td-run-vs-washington-state-goducks-about-washington-state-oregon-cfb-10-19-13-on-fox-sports-1_yc/6263

Kind of a jerky, upright running style, but he's a demon of an athlete. Ran 10.35 in the 100m as a high school sophomore and already weighs over 200 pounds with the potential to get up to about 215-225. Getting lots of PT with De'Anthony Thomas out. Responding well. 54 carries for 360 yards (6.7 YPC) and 7 TDs in just 6 games played. Also showing nifty ability as a receiver with 8 catches for 98 yards. Had a really nice grab last night where he contorted his body to catch a poorly thrown ball over the middle. Would've been a TD in the NFL, but down by contact on the 2 per NCAA rules.

It's a bit early to say what he is/isn't, but with his rare height/weight/speed combo he seems to be one of those guys like DJ Williams or Julio Jones who was pretty much destined for the NFL from birth.

DJ was the only player madden ever said could have gone directly from high school (concord de la salle?) to the NFL, if it were allowed.

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Yeah, DJ Williams was a local guy. Everyone knew he was destined for the big time.

Sometimes you get a freak athlete like that who already has an NFL body at age 17-18. Trent Richardson and Jonathan Stewart were like that too.

I'm really not a big proponent of using dev picks on high schoolers, but if you're going to go that route it's wise to target someone who already has a pro frame. That way you don't have to worry about the player getting bigger or adding weight, which is always a crapshoot.

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Trey Williams, RB from Texas A&M has a just awesome combination of vision and agility. He's listed at 5'8 195lbs, but I don't think he looks that thick. Definitely still somebody to keep an eye on for next year though.

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Trey Williams, RB from Texas A&M has a just awesome combination of vision and agility. He's listed at 5'8 195lbs, but I don't think he looks that thick. Definitely still somebody to keep an eye on for next year though.

Yea, he's good. He caught my eye last year and has made some nice runs this season.

Somewhat comparable to Abdullah in the sense that he has loads of running talent, but maybe not the right frame.

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Florida State redshirt freshman QB Jameis Winston completed 16 of 26 attempts for 292 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in a 49-17 win over NC State.

Winston is not slowing down. The redshirt freshman is an effortless passer who always keeps his eyes up when finding operable space in the pocket. It will be fun to watch he and Kelvin Benjamin again next season. The Seminoles face Miami next week.
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I've hyped up Oregon's freshman RB Thomas Tyner enough, but their sophomore Byron Marshall is having himself a season too.

Not quite as explosive as Tyner, but seems to run with more power. Looks like a north-south guy primarily, but then he'll surprise you with some quickness.

Oh, and he's no slouch when it comes to speed either. I think he was a 10.5-10.6 guy in the 100m as a high schooler.

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I've hyped up Oregon's freshman RB Thomas Tyner enough, but their sophomore Byron Marshall is having himself a season too.

Not quite as explosive as Tyner, but seems to run with more power. Looks like a north-south guy primarily, but then he'll surprise you with some quickness.

Oh, and he's no slouch when it comes to speed either. I think he was a 10.5-10.6 guy in the 100m as a high schooler.

I haven't seen a lot of Oregon games, but I did see last nights. Marshall looked way better than Tyner to me. He looked more explosive, decisive and ran with better vision IMO. Tyner was hesitant inside the hole and juking when there was no need too. Edited by jurb26
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I saw all of Tyner's carries last night and I don't know if I'd agree with that assessment. He did have one play where he made a very deliberate jump cut that probably wasn't necessary, but for the most part he ran well. Most of his yards came on Oregon's last TD drive when they ran on every play. The whole stadium knew what was coming and UCLA still couldn't stop it. Much of that is on the OL, but I thought Tyner took what was there and occasionally got more.

Marshall did a lot of his damage earlier when the game was still in question and UCLA couldn't sell out to stop the run. I thought he looked pretty solid. As far as a direct comparison goes, remember that Marshall is a year more advanced than Tyner. Tyner is on pace to obliterate Marshall's freshman rushing totals. Marshall didn't really begin to turn it on until the last few weeks. Earlier this season a lot of Oregon fans were questioning his viability, so he has come a long way.

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I saw all of Tyner's carries last night and I don't know if I'd agree with that assessment. He did have one play where he made a very deliberate jump cut that probably wasn't necessary, but for the most part he ran well. Most of his yards came on Oregon's last TD drive when they ran on every play. The whole stadium knew what was coming and UCLA still couldn't stop it. Much of that is on the OL, but I thought Tyner took what was there and occasionally got more.

Marshall did a lot of his damage earlier when the game was still in question and UCLA couldn't sell out to stop the run. I thought he looked pretty solid. As far as a direct comparison goes, remember that Marshall is a year more advanced than Tyner. Tyner is on pace to obliterate Marshall's freshman rushing totals. Marshall didn't really begin to turn it on until the last few weeks. Earlier this season a lot of Oregon fans were questioning his viability, so he has come a long way.

You're probably right. I know you watch far more PAC football than I do and you would have a better feel on these guys than me. That was just my thoughts from one game. I see you're point though about Tyner having to run in more predictable situations. That could have simply crowed the holes more.
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I saw all of Tyner's carries last night and I don't know if I'd agree with that assessment. He did have one play where he made a very deliberate jump cut that probably wasn't necessary, but for the most part he ran well. Most of his yards came on Oregon's last TD drive when they ran on every play. The whole stadium knew what was coming and UCLA still couldn't stop it. Much of that is on the OL, but I thought Tyner took what was there and occasionally got more.

Marshall did a lot of his damage earlier when the game was still in question and UCLA couldn't sell out to stop the run. I thought he looked pretty solid. As far as a direct comparison goes, remember that Marshall is a year more advanced than Tyner. Tyner is on pace to obliterate Marshall's freshman rushing totals. Marshall didn't really begin to turn it on until the last few weeks. Earlier this season a lot of Oregon fans were questioning his viability, so he has come a long way.

You're probably right. I know you watch far more PAC football than I do and you would have a better feel on these guys than me. That was just my thoughts from one game. I see you're point though about Tyner having to run in more predictable situations. That could have simply crowed the holes more.

Someone has uploaded a pretty extensive video of Oregon's highlights from that game.

Probably the main thing that worries me about Tyner's skill set is that his long strides also make it difficult for him to change directions on a dime. He sometimes has to gather himself into his cuts, which can really slow him down. This play was the most egregious example from the UCLA game. For the most part I thought he ran decisively though. If you want to re-visit the final scoring drive, you can see a lot of his carries starting here.

I don't think sideways quickness is ever going to be one of his main strengths, but he's not hopeless in terms of agility. Going all the way back to his junior year of high school you can see that he has some actual quickness and cutting ability. He also has a nice 30-45 degree slashing cut, which you can see on this run.

As for Marshall, he had some really good runs in that UCLA game. This was probably my favorite. He also seems most comfortable running north-south as opposed to east-west, but can make that one little move to re-direct himself and slip out of the tackle.

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Florida freshman Kelvin Taylor will start at RB against Georgia.

Kelvin is the son of Jaguars legend Fred Taylor, so obviously he has the genes for the position. The younger Taylor has taken 22 carries for 126 yards in the last few weeks as the Gators' backup running back. The school's offensive line has been a disappointment this season, so Taylor will need to create yards on his own in order to succeed.
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Stanford redshirt freshman RB Barry Sanders Jr. returned one punt for 21 yards and took one carry for six yards in the school's 20-12 win over Oregon State.

Stanford really struggled to move the ball offensively, only throwing for 88 yards. Tyler Gaffney remains the team's bell cow at running back, but Sanders will likely earn a more prominent role next season.
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Stanford redshirt freshman RB Barry Sanders Jr. returned one punt for 21 yards and took one carry for six yards in the school's 20-12 win over Oregon State.

Stanford really struggled to move the ball offensively, only throwing for 88 yards. Tyler Gaffney remains the team's bell cow at running back, but Sanders will likely earn a more prominent role next season.

:no:

Hate to say it because I support Stanford and would love to see him become a great player, but the kid looks quite average.

WAY too much hype. All for one very obvious reason.

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One NFL scout told Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel that if FSU redshirt freshman QB Jameis Winston was eligible, he would be the No. 1 pick in May's draft.

"Rarely, do you see a quarterback at Winston's age who has the combination of size, speed, arm strength and field awareness that he has," the scout said. "He's a bigger, stronger, faster version of (Louisville's) Teddy Bridgewater." We aren't surprised, but we also expect Winston to be nitpicked by some during next year's draft process.
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