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And you're letting your fandom overwhelm your judgment. I'll say it again more slowly: I do not think it's a scandal that Gronk was in. There may very well be a good explanation for why he was in - hell, your explanation makes some sense. Frankly, I don't think Bill should even have to offer an explanation. But since he is, I have no problem saying that those explanations are plainly stupid.
Exactly how does having him on the sidelines for the drive, then putting him in for a PAT - a virtually automatic play - constitute "going full throttle". Did the Pats get an extra point for having him out there?
Oh, so when you said I was wrong about everything else I wrote, that includes when I said, "Did anyone really think the Colts were gonna come back there? I doubt it." So, if I was wrong about that, then you are someone who thought the Colts WERE gonna come back. I mean, if I was wrong about everything else, then that must be so, since that statement was a part of "everything else." Or do you want to just admit that you were talking out of your backside since you are a gigantic homer who won't admit that any criticism of Belichick or the Patriots is valid? You decide.
'FreeBaGeL said:
Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
41) Z.Mesko punts 53 yards to IND 4, Center-D.Aiken, downed by NE.
He wasn't justifying anything, or making excuses, and never said anything about hurting players feelings. He was mocking the idea that he should have sat Gronk because of the situation.Also, as he said, tell him which player is going to get hurt, and he'll take him out.'Uwe Forever said:
Actually, I was wrong about thinking I was wrong.'Ghost Rider said:Oh, so when you said I was wrong about everything else I wrote, that includes when I said, "Did anyone really think the Colts were gonna come back there? I doubt it." So, if I was wrong about that, then you are someone who thought the Colts WERE gonna come back. I mean, if I was wrong about everything else, then that must be so, since that statement was a part of "everything else." Or do you want to just admit that you were talking out of your backside since you are a gigantic homer who won't admit that any criticism of Belichick or the Patriots is valid? You decide.'PatsFanCT said:
No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
Whatever makes you feel better dude. Everyone can read the full play-by-play and see for themselves how the Pats weren't trying to "Run up the score".No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
I pointed out three plays where they did not run the ball until they had to throw in the 4th quarter.
Notice what I said right after that, "They ran the ball plenty on the last 2 drives, but they did not run the ball until they had to throw."
I didn't need to include all the plays because my point wasn't that they didn't run the ball at all, my point was that you were just making #### up to try and prove your point.
Whatever makes you feel better. I never said anything about, "Running up the score". You're barking up the wrong tree. Everyone can read the thread as see who wasWhatever makes you feel better dude. Everyone can read the full play-by-play and see for themselves how the Pats weren't trying to "Run up the score".No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
I pointed out three plays where they did not run the ball until they had to throw in the 4th quarter.
Notice what I said right after that, "They ran the ball plenty on the last 2 drives, but they did not run the ball until they had to throw."
I didn't need to include all the plays because my point wasn't that they didn't run the ball at all, my point was that you were just making #### up to try and prove your point.
Good Post.I want to know what the chances are Gronk comes back in 3 weeks vs 6 weeks. If Hernandez is going to play and if so will he be 100%. Or is it a shark move for those TE depraved to pickup Schiancoe.What about some waiver replacements?Gerratt Graham - break out game last week. More to come or one time deal?Mercedes Lewis - with Chad Henne at the helm now - maybe he is viable?Any others flying low under the radar?
'PatsFanCT said:
at a bling homer dismissing criticism because its all just BB hate. Your "logic" is absurd. Protect backups by playing starters?! You've done a ####ty job of lineup selection if your record setting TE is irreplaceable on a ####### XP.
I'll tell him 2-3 players that are worth protecting with a 0% chance getting hurt while on the sideline. They should probably have Brady hold for FGs to make sure the punter or backup QB doesn't get hurt and can't come in if Brady gets hurt. And of course if Brady did get hurt holding you sheep will line up to defend BB and scoff at criticism as just BB hate.
Whatever makes you feel better dude. Everyone can read the full play-by-play and see for themselves how the Pats weren't trying to "Run up the score".No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
I pointed out three plays where they did not run the ball until they had to throw in the 4th quarter.
Notice what I said right after that, "They ran the ball plenty on the last 2 drives, but they did not run the ball until they had to throw."
I didn't need to include all the plays because my point wasn't that they didn't run the ball at all, my point was that you were just making #### up to try and prove your point.
classic child's reaction to being proven flat out wrong. Insult and leave. So helpful to your argument and points to your ability to think about things critically or objectively. You're as bad as Scuentist or 66 as mule stubborn, blind, useless homers.
Whatever makes you feel better. I never said anything about, "Running up the score". You're barking up the wrong tree. Everyone can read the thread as see who wasWhatever makes you feel better dude. Everyone can read the full play-by-play and see for themselves how the Pats weren't trying to "Run up the score".No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.'rick6668 said:
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
I pointed out three plays where they did not run the ball until they had to throw in the 4th quarter.
Notice what I said right after that, "They ran the ball plenty on the last 2 drives, but they did not run the ball until they had to throw."
I didn't need to include all the plays because my point wasn't that they didn't run the ball at all, my point was that you were just making #### up to try and prove your point.
Here is one where starters got sat before the 4th quarter. 2005 Seahawks vs Eagles. At halftime the Seahawks were up winning 35 to 0. After halftime Shaun Alexander never came back in the game, and Matt Hasselbeck was replaced in the middle of the 3rd quarter by Seneca Wallace. Other starters were sat too. I remember this game, because I owned Alexander, and I was ticked that he didn't come back on the field to score me more fantasy points after halftime.'PatsFanCT said:
Same thing happened with the Broncos in a 1998 game where they utterly destroyed the Eagles in the first half:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199810040den.htmI remember Terrell Davis barely playing in the second half (if at all).
The argument is whether Belichick made a bad call or not. Do you agree that the chances of a player suffering an injury on a PAT are extremely low? How often does it happen? There's no point in being that risk averse - Gronk didn't play that drive, came in, and a fluke injury occurred. It was a fluke - Gronk has never suffered a forearm break, and he's never missed an NFL game before. I can't see how this was anything but just an unfortunate set of circumstances. The expectation is that Gronk doesn't get injured on that play. BB has been keeping his foot on the gas for 6 years and a player finally suffers a major injury. The Patriots have been to two Superbowls and dominated a ton of teams in that stretch. Sure, Gronk is out 4-6 weeks, but the overall benefit of BBs strategy has clearly been a huge net positive. I don't foresee BB changing his strategy as a result of this.'Ghost Rider said:
I just read that after I posted my last comment. I'm not sure whether to be happy or upset that Rex Ryan agrees with my assessment.
nope...just a bunch of Pats fans that are pissed that someone may question their team.
Not a Pats fan but why talk about running up the score in a game with three returns for TDs?I'll tune back in again in two weeks when some other team puts up 50 it will be crickets in here. Then a Pat's fan will accuse them of running of the score just to point out the hypocrisy. Then you guys will get into another pissing contest.I lost Gronk from my fantasy team and that ain't good... but he was hurt on a PAT after sitting out the drive... I'm not happy but I'm not blaming anyone.
Anyone that whines about running up the score in any of the pro sports is a whiny punk, they are paid professionals, and if they don't want to be embarrassed then do your job and stop someone. It isn't on the other teams coaching staff to say I think they have had enough. Now if we are talking college, or high school sports that is a totally different thing.Whatever makes you feel better. I never said anything about, "Running up the score". You're barking up the wrong tree. Everyone can read the thread as see who wasWhatever makes you feel better dude. Everyone can read the full play-by-play and see for themselves how the Pats weren't trying to "Run up the score".No, I was just complaining about you. You decided to just make #### up about them "running the ball until they had to throw."Looks like you just picked out what you wanted to try making your point.Here are all the Pats plays in the 4th quarter.
1-10-NE20 (12:32) T.Brady pass incomplete deep left to B.Lloyd. IND-C.Redding was injured during the play.
2-10-NE20 (12:26) S.Ridley right end pushed ob at NE 22 for 2 yards (P.Angerer).
3-8-NE22 (11:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to NE 33 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
1-10-NE33 (11:11) S.Ridley right tackle to NE 36 for 3 yards (D.Butler; F.Moala).
2-7-NE36 (10:29) T.Brady pass short left to W.Welker ran ob at 50 for 14 yards. NE 12-Brady 51st career 300-yard game, tying Dan Fouts for 6th most all-time.
1-10-50 (9:55) J.Edelman right end to IND 3 for 47 yards (A.Bethea). reverse
1-3-IND3 (9:09) S.Ridley up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko.
IND 24 NE 52, Plays: 7 Yards: 80 Possession: 3:27.
1-10-IND39 (7:37) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to IND 28 for 11 yards (J.Freeman).
1-10-IND28 (6:52) S.Vereen left tackle to IND 29 for -1 yards (D.Freeney).
2-11-IND29 (6:15) S.Vereen left guard to IND 25 for 4 yards (R.Mathews; J.Freeman).
3-7-IND25 (5:32) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to W.Welker to IND 12 for 13 yards (D.Butler).
1-10-IND12 (4:48) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at IND 7 for 5 yards (J.Freeman).
2-5-IND7 (4:43) S.Vereen up the middle to IND 4 for 3 yards (K.Conner).
3-2-IND4 (3:59) S.Vereen left end for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-Z.Mesko. NE 59 points ties franchise record (10/18/09 vs TEN, 59-0) NE 3-Gostkowski 8 PAT in game ties franchise record.
IND 24 NE 59, Plays: 7 Yards: 39 Possession: 3:42.
1-10-NE42 (2:17) NE 15-Mallett now at QB. S.Vereen left guard to NE 42 for no gain (C.Geathers; K.Conner).
2-10-NE42 (2:00) S.Vereen right guard to NE 43 for 1 yard (L.Guy).
3-9-NE43 (1:23) S.Vereen right end to NE 43 for no gain (D.Butler).
4-9-NE43
That's 5 total passes for the entire quarter, and all but the first one short.
Guess some people just love to complain about the Pats.
I pointed out three plays where they did not run the ball until they had to throw in the 4th quarter.
Notice what I said right after that, "They ran the ball plenty on the last 2 drives, but they did not run the ball until they had to throw."
I didn't need to include all the plays because my point wasn't that they didn't run the ball at all, my point was that you were just making #### up to try and prove your point.
This is funny coming from any obvious Bears fan. Have you seen your team play against good NFL teams? If they keep this up they will find themselves not even making the playoffs.Brady's reply would be "Zero. You Idiot. Peppers and Bears got knocked out of the playoffs in the wild card round."He'll be fully healed on his couch with Brady sitting next to him saying "Pass the popcorn...how many times do you think Julius Peppers will sack Schaub?"what is this...week 11? so a 9 week time-table? That would put Gronk back in time for the Super Bowl, right?FWIW: Drayton Florence had the same injury in Week 2 and was able to return to action for the first time today.
I totally agree. I have said for years that there is no such thing as running the score up in the NFL. But that doesn't mean it is always smart to leave your best players out there in the very late stages of a huge blowout, generally speaking. Sure, players can get hurt on any play, but if your team is so good one week that they can win by a ton and not have to have your studs out there in the last few minutes of a game, that is a good thing, no?
You got your #### stomped in this thread.
If he does come back that fast, I bet it's as more a decoy than anything else, and Hernandez will dominate.
Thank you for posting actual news about Gronk. Following this thread waiting for news has been a headache thus far. People should take their disagreements out of the pool imo.Anyways, it really depends on the severity of the break. The initial assessment of 4 to 8 weeks came almost the day after the game, right? If there was a lot of internal bleeding (which is common regardless of severity), it might've been hard to get a true xray of the break. I had that happen when I broke my arm, couldn't get a clear picture for a few days.If it is a hairline fracture (which it must be if he has any optimism about returning just 2 weeks after), I'd say it is within the realm of possibility that he plays. The bone should be well set by then, but probably not back to full strength. If he waits 4 weeks, the chance of re-injury would drop dramatically. I'm not sure what the official word is on when that point is where the chance of re-injury drops, maybe a doctor could weigh in?Anyways, some pain pills and some sort of protective arm guard and he could be back out there week 14. I'd love to see it happen. Not sure if I would play him that week though.
If i were the Patriots, i'd keep him out as long as possible before the playoffs. There isn't really a pressing need
I wouldn't bring him back too soon, but to say there isn't a pressing need is not true. Sure, they have the AFC East locked up, but that game against Houston could have a huge say in whether or not they have to play in the first round or get a bye and maybe even home field advantage.
Early on in the year Hernandez was dropped in one of my leagues and I jumped on him in just the same way. Timed out perfectly! I'm doing the same now holding onto Gronk since I'm already used to that IR space.eta Previous poster is right, and we're basically looking at one week production if any. It'll be a big week to have him though.'Air Stich said:
It also depends on who you have to drop but the fact that NE hasn't placed him on IR leads me to believe they're at least hoping for him to return before the end of the regular season so he's definitely worth a stash if you have the roster room. They originally said it would take 4-6 weeks for him to come back so in a best case scenario situation he could even be back week 15 though I don't see NE rushing him if they keep winning.Another scenario is belichick playing the "listing" game like he loves to do so much and listing him as questionable starting around week 14 with no intention of activating him driving fantasy owners nuts.We will probably have no idea until about an hour before his first game back.
This doesn't make any sense. Hern and Gronk are two very different players. That comment is like saying there is no point in rushing Jordy Nelson back from his hamstring injury since Cobb is healthy. Hern is a joker that they move around the formation to get match-ups while Gronk is a road-grading blocker who can quick release and run the seam route. Both of them are at max potential when BOTH are healthy.
With Baltimore losing, three teams at 9-3. NE beat Denver, Indy and lost to Baltimore. Baltimore has the Redskins, Giants, Cincy and Denver left, so I don't see them winning all 4, wouldn't be surprised if they lose 3 of 4 with the way they have been playing the last 3 weeks. Denver has Baltimore and 3 cake games. NE has Houston, SF and 2 cake games. If Gronk can play, no way is he not playing. I am betting Denver goes 13-3, so only way for NE to get a bye is to go 4-0 (guaranteed bye) or beat Houston lose 1 and hope Houston loses 2 more (say if NE loses to SF). While possible, I don't think Houston goes 1-2 against Indy twice and Minny.ETA: If NE goes 4-0, they could easily get HF advantage (Balt will lose 1) if Indy wins 1 of 2 against Houston.
as mentioned above, hernandez is filling his role about as much as welker is.
