culdeus 7,530 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Capella said: Yea that can’t be a good feeling. I mean that thing went up so fast the margin calls could have gone circuit breaker mode. Could have people getting called and still owing a #### ton. Need to go look in on wsb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
culdeus 7,530 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Juicy https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ey8xva/i_shorted_tesla_today_last_friday/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, culdeus said: This is a window jump event for Tesla shorts. Just saw this report that Tesla shorters are down 8 billion in 2020 so far. Ouch. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/telsa-shorts-down-8-billion-in-2020-including-2point5-billion-on-monday.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, culdeus said: Juicy https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ey8xva/i_shorted_tesla_today_last_friday/ The commission fees are really the chef’s kiss there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GoBirds 10,397 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 So I called Vanguard and they put in a limit order for me for CYDY so take cover fellas. It hasn’t filled yet, going forward they say I should be able to make OTC trades without the hassle FYI for Vanguard guys. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
culdeus 7,530 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 37 minutes ago, Capella said: The commission fees are really the chef’s kiss there. He probably already paid those. So he has that going for him. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
culdeus 7,530 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I love reddit, deep in the comments on that thread about tesla/mars etc. Quote If Chinese will ever find new form of life on Mars - they'll just eat it 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sand 6,150 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 hours ago, culdeus said: This is a window jump event for Tesla shorts. Yep - I'll admit to not understanding either the chutes or ladders of this thing over the last number of years. The move over the last month is mind boggling. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to catch on to stuff like this. But, at the least, I'm smart enough not to short 1M worth of it... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pecorino 2,206 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, GoBirds said: So I called Vanguard and they put in a limit order for me for CYDY so take cover fellas. It hasn’t filled yet, going forward they say I should be able to make OTC trades without the hassle FYI for Vanguard guys. FYI this could cost you $50 in commission. That’s my experience with Vanguard when they place an order for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Is Tesla really Up another 13% this morning? Wtf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stbugs 3,392 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Capella said: Is Tesla really Up another 13% this morning? Wtf That’s absurd but enjoy it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, stbugs said: That’s absurd but enjoy it. Thanks. Almost feels stupid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
guru_007 806 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Ron Baron on CNBC this morning. This guy has not sipped from the Kool Aid bowl, he's doing kegstands from the TSLA bowl. Interesting to listen to someone just so bullish on the stock. I've always liked TSLA and big Musk fan, but this thing is getting a bit out of hand Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pecorino 2,206 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, Capella said: Thanks. Almost feels stupid. It is objectively stupid. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 5,184 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, guru_007 said: Ron Baron on CNBC this morning. This guy has not sipped from the Kool Aid bowl, he's doing kegstands from the TSLA bowl. Interesting to listen to someone just so bullish on the stock. I've always liked TSLA and big Musk fan, but this thing is getting a bit out of hand Go see what June 1000 puts cost. Then tell me how freaking ridiculous this stock price has gotten. Incredibly stupid. At some point I may buy some puts.....but right now, no way will I get in the way of this runaway freight train. 17.5% short interest still out there. Let’s see where it is after another 15% up day. Kramer doing his bandwagon BS as usual. Pimping it lol. He is a fraud. #### Show lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I should definitely sell this and take these profits methinks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 5,184 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Capella said: I should definitely sell this and take these profits methinks. No doubt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D-Day 950 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, Capella said: I should definitely sell this and take these profits methinks. Take the profit off the table, but leave the original investment amount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, D-Day said: Take the profit off the table, but leave the original investment amount. Good idea, thanks 🤝 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 5,184 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Capella said: Good idea, thanks 🤝 House money......but I will add to it....put a trailing 20% stop loss on the rest good till cancelled. If the stock goes up another 20% from here...move the stop price up. This ride will end at some point.....and it will be a massive drop when it does. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[icon] 10,049 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Joined the CYDY party at 1.44... hopefully not too late 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Sacamano 10,032 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, [icon] said: Joined the CYDY party at 1.44... hopefully not too late chet hasn't sold a share and is thinking about buying more later this week. probably Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Todem said: House money......but I will add to it....put a trailing 20% stop loss on the rest good till cancelled. If the stock goes up another 20% from here...move the stop price up. This ride will end at some point.....and it will be a massive drop when it does. Good stuff. I put a stop on it at 900 an hour ago and will adjust as it moves. Locks in nice profits no matter what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Walking Boot 8,296 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I can't remember where I saw the comparison, but it was along the lines of "Volkswagen sold 10 million cars last year and has a market cap of $90 billion. Telsa has a market cap of $150 billion and sold 370,000 cars." I am sure it makes sense to someone, but that someone isn't me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stbugs 3,392 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Walking Boot said: I can't remember where I saw the comparison, but it was along the lines of "Volkswagen sold 10 million cars last year and has a market cap of $90 billion. Telsa has a market cap of $150 billion and sold 370,000 cars." I am sure it makes sense to someone, but that someone isn't me. That’s not as much the problem. It’s fine to give some potential growth. It’s just the quarterly results beat revenue expectations by 4% and the stock goes up almost 10% the next day. Okay, not bad. It has then gone up almost 50% the next two days. That’s a disconnect with financials. That’s a short squeeze like no other. It’ll pop at some point. I’ll put it in perspective of Amazon which is a high growth stock. Both just reported earnings. Amazon’s stock is now a little more than double Tesla’s but Amazon’s revenue and EPS are both about 12 times what Tesla’s best quarter ever was. Doesn’t mean Tesla won’t get there but the stock has quadrupled in about 3-4 months. Their sales and earnings haven’t gone up that much. The quarterly revenue from Q4 2019 is only 2% more than what they had in Q4 2018. Amazon’s year over year revenue increase was 20%. I’m not going to short Tesla, but I wouldn’t invest now. You may not get a dip, but it’s more likely to float sideways for a while because it advanced so much on sentiment and short covering than real financials. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 5,184 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, stbugs said: That’s not as much the problem. It’s fine to give some potential growth. It’s just the quarterly results beat revenue expectations by 4% and the stock goes up almost 10% the next day. Okay, not bad. It has then gone up almost 50% the next two days. That’s a disconnect with financials. That’s a short squeeze like no other. It’ll pop at some point. I’ll put it in perspective of Amazon which is a high growth stock. Both just reported earnings. Amazon’s stock is now a little more than double Tesla’s but Amazon’s revenue and EPS are both about 12 times what Tesla’s best quarter ever was. Doesn’t mean Tesla won’t get there but the stock has quadrupled in about 3-4 months. Their sales and earnings haven’t gone up that much. The quarterly revenue from Q4 2019 is only 2% more than what they had in Q4 2018. Amazon’s year over year revenue increase was 20%. I’m not going to short Tesla, but I wouldn’t invest now. You may not get a dip, but it’s more likely to float sideways for a while because it advanced so much on sentiment and short covering than real financials. Exactly. The Bull Case based on fundamentals by my estimates are $400 a share. And that is everything going perfect. This stock price right now is absurd. The mother of all short squeezes and an insane cult euphoric mentality are driving this historic run. I have two clients in the stock....just two. And we have 20% trailing stops that were put in today. If they are out soon...so be it. The gains are at 282% right now. You take those on a stock like this. And then if you want.....buy it back again when it comes back to earth in the future. Or sell your original investment and ride the train on house money. My clients want all the profits they can squeeze out this puppy. It was a pure speculation play to begin with. I never was a big supporter of the company based on fundamentals and an owner who...let's just say is a mad genius. I mean the guy has done some amazing things and Tesla is a disrupter. But at this price? Come on. You gotta know when to take the money and run. Tesla is not being speculated as a car company. they are being run up on the hopes and dreams of a tech company that has cornered the market. Big auto, unions, Big Oil and governments (China anyone?) are simply not going to allow that to come to fruition in the near or intermediate future. It is very vogue to be all about sustainable investing etc. Oil and gas powered cars are not going anywhere anytime soon. And the big auto companies are going to get all their EV's on the market soon as well. Tesla is not the only game in town. Right now they are the best game in town. But competition is coming and coming in the next 5-10 years big time. And don't get me started on automated vehicles. Another massive over speculated area of Tesla. Anyway. We will check back and see if it crashes down like expected or we are wrong. Edited February 4, 2020 by Todem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Guess I need to adjust that stop. Christ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Todem 5,184 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Capella said: Guess I need to adjust that stop. Christ. Like I said the movement is crazy. It is a matter of time here. Pat yourself on the back. Great trade. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 5,407 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 oops TSLA. That was one heck of a pump and dump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Wow that was sudden. Sold at 920 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Why a wild 4 days. I need a cigarette 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capella 31,532 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Todem said: Like I said the movement is crazy. It is a matter of time here. Pat yourself on the back. Great trade. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chet 4,693 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I'm back. I assume Annie passed on my messages? HOLD 7 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
[icon] 10,049 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 40 minutes ago, chet said: I'm back. I assume Annie passed on my messages? HOLD HOLD or HODL? It's an important distinction! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Sacamano 10,032 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Investor call tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, chet said: I'm back. I assume Annie passed on my messages? HOLD Awesome news. Is buy still a recommendation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chet 4,693 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 PR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cosjobs 15,364 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 bumpy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 3 hours ago, chet said: PR So this PR comes out which to me looks like great news and the stock immediately drops 10%? What gives? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stbugs 3,392 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dkp993 said: So this PR comes out which to me looks like great news and the stock immediately drops 10%? What gives? Did the PR statement say anything new? Seemed pretty basic. I’m assuming the stock will hang around this level for a while until some new results come out like the one that took it from 1 to around 1.50. Edited February 6, 2020 by stbugs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, stbugs said: Did the PR statement say anything new? Seemed pretty basic. I thought the file for treatment of all solid cancers was new. Breast cancer and HIV (possible coronavirus) is all I remember before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
General Malaise 27,572 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Buy the rumor sell the news.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cosjobs 15,364 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 PR call is this evening, after the bell Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, stbugs said: 34 minutes ago, dkp993 said: So this PR comes out which to me looks like great news and the stock immediately drops 10%? What gives? Did the PR statement say anything new? Seemed pretty basic. I’m assuming the stock will hang around this level for a while until some new results come out like the one that took it from 1 to around 1.50. To be clear I’m not worried about the swing in price, it’s been doing that a lot. I’m just wondering if I missed something or misread the PR. It seems like good news to me yet the market reacted differently. 🤷♂️ Edited February 6, 2020 by dkp993 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stbugs 3,392 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, dkp993 said: To be clear I’m not worried about the swing in price, it’s been doing that a lot. I’m just wonder if I missed something or misread the PR. It seems like good news to me yet the market reacted differently. 🤷♂️ Yeah, I think it’s good news but probably not enough info over the last PR. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chet 4,693 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, dkp993 said: So this PR comes out which to me looks like great news and the stock immediately drops 10%? What gives? The stock has more than quintupled in 6-7 weeks. You can't expect volatility to only go one way. My advice to you is to use weakness to add and if you're not buying, then ignore the short term noise. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eaganwildcats 939 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 For perhaps a different take: https://twitter.com/CulperResearch/status/1225450429326221312 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chet 4,693 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, eaganwildcats said: For perhaps a different take: https://twitter.com/CulperResearch/status/1225450429326221312 They're entitled to their opinion, but unless they cover their short position, they will get murdered. Many factual errors in their analysis IMO. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dkp993 7,409 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, chet said: The stock has more than quintupled in 6-7 weeks. You can't expect volatility to only go one way. My advice to you is to use weakness to add and if you're not buying, then ignore the short term noise. 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McBokonon 3,704 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 48 minutes ago, chet said: They're entitled to their opinion, but unless they cover their short position, they will get murdered. Many factual errors in their analysis IMO. Could you point some of those factual errors out? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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