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Official Robert Griffin III - RGIII RG3 (2 Viewers)
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Timmay
Footballguy
He might have played 16 this past season, but that was under Shanahan and they were protecting him with less runs than his rookie year. Gruden runs his offense different and RG3 is another year past his initial injury.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If Cornball runs as much as his rookie season 10-12 games will be his max. Griffin is no Newton or CK who are built to take the punishment. Even Newton got beat up by SF, they would dismember Griffin.
They better keep Cousins prepared.
fatness
Footballguy
Gruden doesn't have a set offense. He's already said he's going to do what the players do best. His OC says they're going to use the same basic running scheme they used the last 2 years.
lol at Da Guru still trying to get a rise out of people with the "cornball" stuff that keeps failing.
fatness
Footballguy
The Redskins played the 49ers this year. Griffin played the whole game. You don't know too much, do you?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That San Fran game was horrendous - that was as bad as if he was injured.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Tarkenton & Wilson should be the model for the Skins & Griffin - great defenses & powerful run games while he uses his legs to extend plays and occasionally deflate opponents with big plays. - The Skins appear to be doing the opposite.
fatness
Footballguy
Just to flesh out where that came from: http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/4951/mcvay-run-game-will-be-similarfatness said:
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Sure thing. The Skins only need what, 8 new starters on D, half of them Pro Bowl caliber, to have a defense as good as Seattle or SF. Other than that, your plan is perfect.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Dalton finished QB12 in 2012 and QB 6 last yr so as a RGIII owner x2 I'm excited about Gruden coming in. Lets face it, Dalton is pretty avg.
Griffin avg about 6.7 runs a game last yr which would of came out to 100 rushing attempts, times that to his 5.5 avg and you got 55 points from the ground... now add in a couple of TDs and thats a good amount of points. As for the injury risk, nothing wrong w/ giving him 90 to 100 attempts a year; his speed shouldn't be overlooked.
Griffin avg about 6.7 runs a game last yr which would of came out to 100 rushing attempts, times that to his 5.5 avg and you got 55 points from the ground... now add in a couple of TDs and thats a good amount of points. As for the injury risk, nothing wrong w/ giving him 90 to 100 attempts a year; his speed shouldn't be overlooked.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
do most people still have him in top 10 Dynasty QBs?
1 & 2 is a pick -em (Luck / Cam)
3 Foles - where ever you people have him, he should be top 7
4 Stafford - big season that imploded at the end, new coach makes me feel better
5 - 6 (CK / Wilson) whoever you feel more comfortable with
7 Rodgers - i'm sure many would flip flop Brees and Rodgers but Rodgers is about 5 yrs younger
8 - 10 tricky part since you have the vets in Brady, Manning, Brees, Ryan & Rivers while Dalton had a top 6 season and Tannehill came on later in the yr... I want to place RGIII in that little group of 8 - 10 but its nearly impossible without calling it a reach and passing up on some really good talent.
1 & 2 is a pick -em (Luck / Cam)
3 Foles - where ever you people have him, he should be top 7
4 Stafford - big season that imploded at the end, new coach makes me feel better
5 - 6 (CK / Wilson) whoever you feel more comfortable with
7 Rodgers - i'm sure many would flip flop Brees and Rodgers but Rodgers is about 5 yrs younger
8 - 10 tricky part since you have the vets in Brady, Manning, Brees, Ryan & Rivers while Dalton had a top 6 season and Tannehill came on later in the yr... I want to place RGIII in that little group of 8 - 10 but its nearly impossible without calling it a reach and passing up on some really good talent.
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SeanTaylor21
Footballguy
Good posting!
Role reversal and RG3 is worshipped and Russell Wilson is "overrated."
CapnJB
Footballguy
Yeah, but if the Redskins could have picked up Wilson and Irvin and Bobby Wagner and Percy Harvin and still have their 1st round pick this year and the Seahawks spent all those picks on Griffin, it might not be that much of a role reversal. Heck, Shanahan might still be around.
MAC_32
Footballguy
so Washington now has aj green, Marvin jones, Gio Bernard, Tyler eifert, jermaine Gresham, Mohamed sanu, Andrew Hawkins, and a great o line?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
no, my memory isn't short, Rodgers owners' rely on TDs more than the avg FF QB due to his low yardage numbers (low for a top 5 QB) and now GB actually has a running game which will take a little slice away from Rodgers' numbers; especially his rushing TDs. IJMO but the guys I listed above him are all between 24 - 26 yrs old and I would take any of them over Aaron.
fatness
Footballguy
No, he wouldn't. He was going to do himself in no matter who was on the team. Bad coaching, feeling threatened by good players, bad staff hires, he was toast no matter what.
CapnJB
Footballguy
That was kind of a throw away point at the end of my thought.. if he tried to build a team instead of buy a team he might still be around. Carroll and Shanahan took over bad teams at the same time. One just went 3-13 and one went 13-3.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
ofcourse they don't have an AJ Green but the other guys you mentioned are more of the result of good coaching. Jones, Sanu, Hawkins, Gresham are really nothing special; Eifert, a guy I drafted in a couple of 1st rounds last summer, didn't produce much. Gio was nice.
Comparsion
ofcourse Garcon isn't AJ Green but hes been pretty impressive since becoming Wash's #1
rest of Wash WRs w/ a FA can be better than the current Cin WRs (Also the Skins have about 30 mil of cap space so they can load up on FA talent this yr.)
Reed / Logan is just as good as Gresham / Eifert (Reed was looking very good before his head injury)
and I'd take Morris / Helu over BGJE / Gio
O-line's can be fixed up with good coaching, we've seen it many times before.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
people seem (or choose) not to remember that Carrol and the Seahawks did bring in a lot of FA his 1st couple or yrs; this is the team that gave a 3rd plus and started Charle Whitehurst followed by paying Matt Flynn millions of dollars. Also the Harvin trade so far has been terrible.
The difference here is that Seattle had the b@lls to take Wilson and the brains to play him while the skins had to give up all those 1sts for Griffin
fatness
Footballguy
That's the point on which I'm disagreeing with you. Carroll can coach and get the most out of his players. Shanahan cannot.
MAC_32
Footballguy
youre under estimating those weapons and giving too much credit to Dalton.
Typically, in a dynasty league, I look for (AT MOST) a 3-5 year window with a player. Rodgers will be 35 in 5 years, so it's not like he's going to be a "1 more year" type of QB. If you would take guys like Luck, Foles, Stafford, Kaepernick ??????, and Wilson ?????? over Rodgers, I'd love to have you in my league. Luck still has a HC and OC who want to pound the ball. They want that to be their identity. That's not going to change too soon. Luck will continue to get less opportunities to put up FF stats because they won't unleash him until they are down big. Foles is too unproven. He could be great in that offense, but what he did this year could also be a flash in the pan. Stafford is too inconsistent; sure he's put up great numbers, but he was mediocre in every other season. Kaepernick/Wilson? I'm not even going to bother discussing them too much. Look at their attempts; I'm not going to bet on a QB getting low 400 attempts in a season as being a top-5 FF QB.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
I still think RG3 is a top 10 QB going forward. What did you see from Wilson/Kapernick that suggests RG3 should be ranked way behind them? Through 13 games this year, RG3 was right there stat wise with Wilson, Luck and Kapernick. And that was with him having a bad year. So I'm not sure why all of a suddent Kaepernick is a top 5 QB but RG3 isn't even top 10.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
a loss of confidence in RGIII while CK / Wilson are being held back by their coaches. Also RGIII has the injury concerns.
Couple of things:
1-Kaepernick and Wilson's coaches aren't going anywhere soon, so if you think they were being "held back" by their coaches, why would you expect that to change?
2-Kaepernick wasn't being held back, he regressed. Lower YPA, lower completion %, lower QB rating, higher INT ratio, lower YPC when rushing, lower rushing TD ratio, more fumbles. The only area he progressed in was a slightly higher TD ratio.
3-RGIII has what injury concerns? He tore up his knee. Plenty of players have done that. With modern medical knowledge/technique, that usually isn't a death toll for a player's career.
Your reasons for having RGIII drastically behind Kaepernick and Wilson (especially Kaep) don't make sense.
fatness
Footballguy
Good article on Gruden and Griffin by John Keim, a reliable Redskin beat reporter now working for ESPN.
There's a lot more to the article than that selection.
lod01
Footballguy
It's just as hard to put together a Seattle or SF like D as it is to find a real franchise QB.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
ESPN's Louis Riddick "would not be surprised to see" Robert Griffin III "become a guy who never fully realizes or meets the expectations and is looked back on in disgust."
Strong words. However, Riddick is on the fence with RGIII, characterizing his long-term expectations for the third-year quarterback as "lukewarm." Riddick, a former scout and personnel man in the NFL, continued, "From what I've seen and know and what I've heard, I think it could really go either way with him." RGIII has taken his fair share of heat since Week 1 of last season, but he needs to get 100 percent healthy first before we can truly project his future. RGIII has a big arm, can throw the deep ball, sports plus athleticism, but needs to fine-tune his mechanics and his accuracy. New Redskins coach got the most out of Andy Dalton, and Griffin is lightyears better. We still remain high on RGIII.
Strong words. However, Riddick is on the fence with RGIII, characterizing his long-term expectations for the third-year quarterback as "lukewarm." Riddick, a former scout and personnel man in the NFL, continued, "From what I've seen and know and what I've heard, I think it could really go either way with him." RGIII has taken his fair share of heat since Week 1 of last season, but he needs to get 100 percent healthy first before we can truly project his future. RGIII has a big arm, can throw the deep ball, sports plus athleticism, but needs to fine-tune his mechanics and his accuracy. New Redskins coach got the most out of Andy Dalton, and Griffin is lightyears better. We still remain high on RGIII.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I still have RG3 as dynasty QB4 after Luck, Cam and Rodgers.
I don't think it's particularly controversial
I don't think it's particularly controversial
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Donsmith753
Footballguy
That's fair. I just think it's strange people are questioning if he's even top 10.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Weird that Helu isn't going, since he's the one most likely to be facing some kind of competition for a passing-back role this year.fatness said:
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