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[Dynasty] 2014 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)
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lod01
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lod01
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Here's video of another RB that could make a name for herself in this year's draft.
Check video #2 & #3.
Jacked UP!
Check video #2 & #3.
Jacked UP!
Faust
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EBF
Footballguy
CFN combine RB preview:
Top 10
The Rest
Their top two are Hyde and Hill. Those are also the top two on my list and the top two on Mayock's list released today.
The Scout.com guys are pretty firmly on the "Seastrunk is a mid round pick" train. They have him ranked RB9 as a 3rd round value and a 4th round projection. He's not in Mayock's top 5 RBs and the DraftScout guys have him at RB7 right now with a 3rd round projection, so barring a huge buzz after the combine it's starting to seem like he's not going to be drafted as high as some of us thought. If he really goes in the 3rd of the NFL draft then he might slide to the late 1st of rookie drafts.
Top 10
The Rest
Their top two are Hyde and Hill. Those are also the top two on my list and the top two on Mayock's list released today.
The Scout.com guys are pretty firmly on the "Seastrunk is a mid round pick" train. They have him ranked RB9 as a 3rd round value and a 4th round projection. He's not in Mayock's top 5 RBs and the DraftScout guys have him at RB7 right now with a 3rd round projection, so barring a huge buzz after the combine it's starting to seem like he's not going to be drafted as high as some of us thought. If he really goes in the 3rd of the NFL draft then he might slide to the late 1st of rookie drafts.
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WAY TOO LOW ON THESE GUYS - I THINK YOUR MISSING BADLY HERE!
19. TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington – Talked about as a possible top 10 overall pick in the offseason, ASJ simply doesn't have the raw explosiveness to warrant such a high selection. He doesn't break big plays and isn't very fast, but I like his chances of having a moderately successful career as a big body power forward type. He has a huge frame, he's nimble for a big man, and he has good innate receiving skills to come down with difficult grabs. I see his NFL outlook falling somewhere between Martellus Bennett and Antonio Gates. Like Ebron, his ranking on this list suffers from the relatively low value of the TE position in most FF leagues. He also has some minor character red flags to answer.
20. RB Bishop Sankey, Washington – A jack of all trades and a master of none, Sankey is yet another RB in this draft who can do a little bit of everything. I rate him a little below some of the others because he looks less dynamic to me. I don't think he's going to be one of the 20 most talented backs in the NFL, but I think he's talented enough that if he goes to an open situation he could make some noise. So as with many of the other backs this year, keep a close eye on who drafts him and what their depth chart looks like.
Faust
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Xue
Footballguy
Here are my current rankings for RB and WR:
RB
RB
- Isaiah Crowell
- Bishop Sankey
- Carlos Hyde
- Tre Mason
- Antonio Andrews
- Lache Seastrunk
- Jeremy Hill
- Stephen Houston
- Ka’Deem Carey
- James White
- Devonta Freeman
- James Wilder, Jr.
- Andre Williams
- Charles Sims
- Tim Flanders
- Terrance West
- David Fluellen
- Zurlon Tipton
- Henry Josey
- Brendan Bigelow
- Marion Grice
- Mike Evans
- Sammy Watkins
- Odell Beckham, Jr.
- Davante Adams
- Allen Robinson
- Brandin Cooks
- Jordan Matthews
- Marqise Lee
- Chris Boyd
- Cody Hoffman
- Cody Latimer
- Kelvin Benjamin
- Paul Richardson
- Ryan Grant
- TJ Jones
- Jarvis Landry
- Josh Huff
- Donte Moncrief
- Martavis Bryant
- Robert Herron
- Matt Hazel
- Jalen Saunders
- Jared Abbrederis
- Austin Franklin
- Kain Colter
- Mike Davis
- L’Damian Washington
- Quincy Enunwa
- Shaquelle Evans
- Chandler Jones
Faust
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Xue,
I appreciate your rankings, and it always nice to see somebody willing to offer a contrarian perspective as opposed to the cookie cutter and consensus rankings that tend to dominate around this time of the year.
I do have a question, with the ranking of Isaiah Crowell as your top RB, is fair to say that your rankings are heavily driven on talent level and don't factor much in the way of character questions & concerns, or are you just that high on Crowell as a prospect and are perhaps confident that the character questions are overblown?
I appreciate your rankings, and it always nice to see somebody willing to offer a contrarian perspective as opposed to the cookie cutter and consensus rankings that tend to dominate around this time of the year.
I do have a question, with the ranking of Isaiah Crowell as your top RB, is fair to say that your rankings are heavily driven on talent level and don't factor much in the way of character questions & concerns, or are you just that high on Crowell as a prospect and are perhaps confident that the character questions are overblown?
Xue
Footballguy
As far as I know he is well-liked at Alabama State. He's also pretty young, a true Jr, compared to most of his FCS counterparts like Terrance West, who is a 5th-year Jr.
Yes, my rankings are driven by talent level and are not projections. So adjust accordingly.
Faust
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Weird, I think Robinson and Dobson have very different skill-sets.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Yes, pretty weak comparison. Dobson doesn't have the shiftiness of Robinson. He's probably faster, but Robinson moves better.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, he has talent, but he doesn't look like a workout freak. Tough to see him higher than the 4th round.
I've read mixed things about his time at Georgia, but there is some heavy smoke that he was a slacker with an attitude problem. Skipping workouts. Entitled mentality. All of that stuff. You give a guy like that money and freedom, and he's a risk to go off the reservation. Regardless of his ability, that stuff is likely to haunt his draft stock. I think he's much more Bryce Brown than Christine Michael in terms of athletic profile, running style, personality, NCAA career trajectory, and NFL draft stock.
I've read mixed things about his time at Georgia, but there is some heavy smoke that he was a slacker with an attitude problem. Skipping workouts. Entitled mentality. All of that stuff. You give a guy like that money and freedom, and he's a risk to go off the reservation. Regardless of his ability, that stuff is likely to haunt his draft stock. I think he's much more Bryce Brown than Christine Michael in terms of athletic profile, running style, personality, NCAA career trajectory, and NFL draft stock.
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Xue
Footballguy
You don't need to be a workout freak to be a very good RB.
Christine Michael was in the doghouse at Texas A&M under both Sherman and Sumlin. Crowell at least has drown much praise from his Alabama State coaches.
Bryce Brown barely played at all. Crowell has a much better body of work. I like his odds better than Brown.
EBF
Footballguy
Where did I say otherwise?
I'm explaining why Crowell won't vault up the board like Michael did. He's not really that fast or explosive. He's not the type of guy who seems likely to rip up the combine. Thus I think he's more like Brown (who had pretty "meh" workout numbers apart from his 40) than Michael. A fallen prep star whose spotty background will push him down into day three.
Faust
MVP
Mayock: 18 takeaways on draft prospects entering combine
I highly recommend if you are on Twitter to check out what was posted via the @NFL_CFB account today for the summary from Mayock's conference call.
I highly recommend if you are on Twitter to check out what was posted via the @NFL_CFB account today for the summary from Mayock's conference call.
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Bad workout numbers aren't going to hurt him. His on-field play was better than what I saw from Michael. How many people were high on Michael BEFORE the combine?
No. I'm in the process of cutting some up. He's essentially Andre Williams with hands. Built like Eddie Lacy, runs like DeMarco Murray.
Here is a highlight vid to hold you over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsfCoEDSZ0
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Different position but I think Cooks is the guy who's going to vault up the rankings.
EBF
Footballguy
Michael had plenty of hype early in his career. He was rostered in some of my shallow dev leagues even before the 2012 season. His stock cooled off after a quiet senior year and then the combine put him back on the map in a big way.
I like Crowell as a sleeper pick, but find it very unlikely that he will be chosen in the top 90-100 picks of the draft. There's even some chance that he could fall out of the top 200. None of this means he can't become a good pro. Only that he's not a good parallel with Michael (a late riser who vaulted up the boards on the back of a strong combine).
Here's what CFN said about him in their RB preview that came out yesterday:
NFL.com has him with a 5.05 grade, which is relatively low on their RB scale. Probably not even in the top 15. Here was their take:
DraftScout has him as the 26th RB in the class with a UDFA projection:
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=119377&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB
If people want to argue that he's a good sleeper pick, I won't dispute that at all. I agree. If people think he's going to be a high pick like Christine Michael, I think they're not reading the tea leaves. Crowell's stock seems pretty low and he's not likely to help himself with a really strong workout. So I'm saying day three or UDFA, regardless of what he ultimately becomes as a pro.
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EBF
Footballguy
That's an interesting call. He's very explosive, but also absolutely tiny. I don't know what the height/weight will be, but to me he looks like he might be smaller than his listed 5'10" 186. Might not matter if he runs a 4.3 and looks dynamite in the drills, but it could be something that suppresses his stock a little bit.
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Footballguy
coolnerd
Footballguy
I am not sure how much player who is expected to run really fast (and actually runs fast) improves his draft stock, but he is planning on putting on a show.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/18/baylor-rb-lache-seastrunk-i-know-i-can-run-faster-than-4-3/
coolnerd
Footballguy
FWIW....Bucky Brooks on the combine...Reads bottom to top
Regardless of their performance, I respect the willingness to put their talents on display in a pressure-packed environment
If he is a big-time guy & willing to put it on display, I have a tendency to give those guys a little extra when I discuss them in meetings
That's why it's a gamble when guys don't work out.. Everyone won't see the performance.. Plus, it's "all or nothing" at Pro Day.
Prospect can wait to perform at Pro Day, but he won't have the same stage at the combine. Team may only send scout, position coach to ProDay
3. Working out at #NFLCombine allows every GM, HC and scout to see the player showcase his skills. Every decision maker is in the building
Players have a built-in mulligan by working at the combine. Pro Day workout can erase poor workout in Indy.
(Cont) from any workout is recorded & used as the number on the player card. That's why there's nothing to lose at the combine.
Plus, teams will use the best measurement for final draft grade. Whether it's at the combine or Pro Day, the best 40, VJ, Shuttles or broad
A poor workout is kept in perspective because the tape evaluation outweighs everything else. Some guys just aren't great testers.
If a player runs slower than expected or looks tight during the workout, scouts will go back and see if the issues showed up on tape
2. Combine workouts don't negatively impact grade. Scouts use workouts to confirm what they've witnessed on tape. Speed/AA checked vs. Film
Doctors are evaluating long-term prospects. Is the player subject to re-injury or long-term issues based on prior medical history
1. Interviews and medical evaluations are most important. Teams are assessing character & potential locker room fit.
Regardless of their performance, I respect the willingness to put their talents on display in a pressure-packed environment
If he is a big-time guy & willing to put it on display, I have a tendency to give those guys a little extra when I discuss them in meetings
That's why it's a gamble when guys don't work out.. Everyone won't see the performance.. Plus, it's "all or nothing" at Pro Day.
Prospect can wait to perform at Pro Day, but he won't have the same stage at the combine. Team may only send scout, position coach to ProDay
3. Working out at #NFLCombine allows every GM, HC and scout to see the player showcase his skills. Every decision maker is in the building
Players have a built-in mulligan by working at the combine. Pro Day workout can erase poor workout in Indy.
(Cont) from any workout is recorded & used as the number on the player card. That's why there's nothing to lose at the combine.
Plus, teams will use the best measurement for final draft grade. Whether it's at the combine or Pro Day, the best 40, VJ, Shuttles or broad
A poor workout is kept in perspective because the tape evaluation outweighs everything else. Some guys just aren't great testers.
If a player runs slower than expected or looks tight during the workout, scouts will go back and see if the issues showed up on tape
2. Combine workouts don't negatively impact grade. Scouts use workouts to confirm what they've witnessed on tape. Speed/AA checked vs. Film
Doctors are evaluating long-term prospects. Is the player subject to re-injury or long-term issues based on prior medical history
1. Interviews and medical evaluations are most important. Teams are assessing character & potential locker room fit.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
This article from back in May showed it's not only his 40 that should be impressive...
That would be a better 40, vertical, AND broad jump than Michael had last year. His 3 cone and shuttle should be interesting too. I think his misuse at Baylor is currently keeping him low in rankings but I expect him to be a steady riser into May.
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