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In for a dime, in for a dollar. If you are going to say its offensive, you can't keep using it even in conversation about the name.

:goodposting: Until everyone debating this issue on radio, tv or otherwise starts saying the "R-word" instead of "Redskins" it's pretty hypocritical.

Makes you wonder what the heck we are going to do when find another R or N word that is offensive that we need to abolish. How will we converse then?

Pretty easily just like we do now.

And more and more people and news outlets have, in fact, stopped using that word. I doubt people stopped using the N-word overnight, and even there we don't have anywhere close to 100% of people not using it.

When your great great grand kid has to reference "R-word #23" in her history paper it's going to seem rather silly.

you think people are using the word "redskin" in history papers?

Uhm, well, yeah.

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In for a dime, in for a dollar. If you are going to say its offensive, you can't keep using it even in conversation about the name.

:goodposting: Until everyone debating this issue on radio, tv or otherwise starts saying the "R-word" instead of "Redskins" it's pretty hypocritical.

Makes you wonder what the heck we are going to do when find another R or N word that is offensive that we need to abolish. How will we converse then?

"Negro" (Spanish for black) - not ok

Its been a long time since I took spanish, but I don't think the spanish word fro black is pronounced the same as the word describing Black americans.

It's typed out there. Pronounce it however you want.

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In for a dime, in for a dollar. If you are going to say its offensive, you can't keep using it even in conversation about the name.

:goodposting: Until everyone debating this issue on radio, tv or otherwise starts saying the "R-word" instead of "Redskins" it's pretty hypocritical.

Makes you wonder what the heck we are going to do when find another R or N word that is offensive that we need to abolish. How will we converse then?

Pretty easily just like we do now.

And more and more people and news outlets have, in fact, stopped using that word. I doubt people stopped using the N-word overnight, and even there we don't have anywhere close to 100% of people not using it.

When your great great grand kid has to reference "R-word #23" in her history paper it's going to seem rather silly.

you think people are using the word "redskin" in history papers?

You think they wont if the Washington Redskins are forced to change their name?

will someone, somewhere? Sure. Will it be common or interesting? No. Or part of a history class? No.

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Just wondering now if this song is PC...


Jesus loves the little children

All the children of the world

Red, brown, yellow

Black and white

They are precious in His sight.

Jesus loves the little children

Of the world.

Jesus died for all the children

All the children of the world

Red, brown, yellow

Black and white

They are precious in His sight.

Jesus died for all the children

Of the world.

Jesus rose for all the children

All the children of the world

Red, brown, yellow

Black and white

They are precious in His sight.

Jesus rose for all the children

Of the world.

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In for a dime, in for a dollar. If you are going to say its offensive, you can't keep using it even in conversation about the name.

:goodposting: Until everyone debating this issue on radio, tv or otherwise starts saying the "R-word" instead of "Redskins" it's pretty hypocritical.

Makes you wonder what the heck we are going to do when find another R or N word that is offensive that we need to abolish. How will we converse then?

Pretty easily just like we do now.

And more and more people and news outlets have, in fact, stopped using that word. I doubt people stopped using the N-word overnight, and even there we don't have anywhere close to 100% of people not using it.

When your great great grand kid has to reference "R-word #23" in her history paper it's going to seem rather silly.

you think people are using the word "redskin" in history papers?

Uhm, well, yeah.

Ok, I concede that an extremely small number of people will continue to write etymology of words in anthropology class.

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I chose Jewish stereotypes because I'm Jewish so I felt comfortable

And why is it ok for the people who find the word offensive to adopt it as their own? Seems logical that they'd be the last group to want use the word if they really find it offensive.

Do you have a point or is this just another example of white people problems?

It's a question, that apparently, you don't have an answer for.

The answer is that is a stupid point you are trying to make. I know where you are trying to go with this but the only answer is that it's okay because they say it's okay.

If it bothers you so much no one is preventing you from going up to a group of young black men and dropping a couple "What's up my ####as?" or "####a please!".

Go for it and Godspeed to you.

It doesn't bother me, I just find it an interesting social dynamic. It isn't logical that a subset of a group that finds a term offensive to adopt that term. And if they did it seems the larger group would take as much if not more offence to it. It not being logical makes it harder to explain so I'm not surprised your answer is just to attack the question.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists? Edited by Henry Ford
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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.

:lmao:

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.

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Let me be the first to recommend that Footballguys show some moral fortitude and add the current team nickname for the Washington American Football Club into the language filter.

This would be awesome. And appropriate. I would venture back to the SP just to see the carnage.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Right. Why doe a christian symbol disparage an atheist? That's my question.
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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.
The test isn't "is anyone offended?"
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I chose Jewish stereotypes because I'm Jewish so I felt comfortable

And why is it ok for the people who find the word offensive to adopt it as their own? Seems logical that they'd be the last group to want use the word if they really find it offensive.

Do you have a point or is this just another example of white people problems?

It's a question, that apparently, you don't have an answer for.

The answer is that is a stupid point you are trying to make. I know where you are trying to go with this but the only answer is that it's okay because they say it's okay.

If it bothers you so much no one is preventing you from going up to a group of young black men and dropping a couple "What's up my ####as?" or "####a please!".

Go for it and Godspeed to you.

It doesn't bother me, I just find it an interesting social dynamic. It isn't logical that a subset of a group that finds a term offensive to adopt that term. And if they did it seems the larger group would take as much if not more offence to it. It not being logical makes it harder to explain so I'm not surprised your answer is just to attack the question.
:yawn: no the answer is because they are okay with it. Doesn't matter if it fits your logic or not.

Accept it and move on.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.
The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

The test isn't quite that broad, but it's close.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

Why would the fleur de lis be considered derogatory toward atheists?

It's a Christian symbol. Don't mean to go all Dan Brown in here, but....

The Fleur-De-Lis Christian symbol with its association with the lily represents purity, and in turn to the Virgin Mary. As the Fleur-De-Lis is composed of three petals and three sepals it also symbolizes the Trinity.

Tie a bow on this for me if you will; how are atheists harmed by the Saints use of the Fleur-De-Lis? Does the use of this symbol demean atheists in some way that I can't see?

He's asking if atheists would be offended. If it doesn't offend you and you're an atheist, your answer would be "no"....HTH.
The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

The test isn't quite that broad, but it's close.

Yeah, I think it has to be 6 people.
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The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

To the question posed? Of course it is. You lawyer guys feel free to add whatever adjectives you feel necessary to answer the question in lawyer terms. Guy asked a simple question and I think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. My guess is most atheists wouldn't know what he was talking about in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

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The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

To the question posed? Of course it is. You lawyer guys feel free to add whatever adjectives you feel necessary to answer the question in lawyer terms. Guy asked a simple question and I think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. My guess is most atheists wouldn't know what he was talking about in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

Actually the question posed was derogatory, which is close to the correct question- the actual question is whether the trademark consists of "matter ... which may disparage ... persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols." The answer to that question w/r/t the Fleur de Lis is obviously no, in my opinion.

You changed it to "is anyone offended," which is irrelevant (that's not the legal standard) and also impossible to know. Only the person you're asking about can know if they're offended or not.

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The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

To the question posed? Of course it is. You lawyer guys feel free to add whatever adjectives you feel necessary to answer the question in lawyer terms. Guy asked a simple question and I think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. My guess is most atheists wouldn't know what he was talking about in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

Actually the question posed was derogatory, which is close to the correct question- the actual question is whether the trademark consists of "matter ... which may disparage ... persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols." The answer to that question w/r/t the Fleur de Lis is obviously no, in my opinion.

You changed it to "is anyone offended," which is irrelevant (that's not the legal standard) and also impossible to know. Only the person you're asking about can know if they're offended or not.

:lmao: awesome....until it is, right?

ETA: Rereading the question, he only used "claim" in that question. Derogatory was the next question, so now I'm not sure what he's asking. Regardless, several of the comments in response to him were essentially "tell me why I should be offended" instead of the guy getting a straight answer. My general rule with stuff like this is if I have to explain why you should be offended, you aren't offended.

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The test isn't "is anyone offended?"

To the question posed? Of course it is. You lawyer guys feel free to add whatever adjectives you feel necessary to answer the question in lawyer terms. Guy asked a simple question and I think it's pretty clear what he was getting at. My guess is most atheists wouldn't know what he was talking about in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

Actually the question posed was derogatory, which is close to the correct question- the actual question is whether the trademark consists of "matter ... which may disparage ... persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols." The answer to that question w/r/t the Fleur de Lis is obviously no, in my opinion.

You changed it to "is anyone offended," which is irrelevant (that's not the legal standard) and also impossible to know. Only the person you're asking about can know if they're offended or not.

:lmao: awesome....until it is, right?

Well, no. The legal standard is whether the matter may disparage at the time of the registration.

But don't let that stop you from making a preposterous slippery slope argument.

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Just curious, but would an atheist have a claim against the Saint's Fleur-De-Lis?

At what point will "Chief" also be deemed derogatory towards Native Americans?

his post makes zero sense. redskins is offensive to native Americans because it is a derogatory term for them. is a saint a derogatory term for an atheist?

About the fleur de lis: there are actually some locals who claim that it was a symbol of French oppression via slavery and they object to that. Also, the state essentially flushes money into Tom Benson's pockets so the argument could be made that it violates separation of church and state, which if the light bulb went off in some activist freak's head I could see being some kind of crazy cause. If so :boxing:

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