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Okay. I interpreted "refused to pay him" as he was being underpaid. My mistake.
Sorry forgot i said that fair enough. My point still stands he can be the highest paid RB on a one year deal and still be getting screwed.
Sure sure, throw 40 mil guaranteed at a 2 time drug offender & dope who skipped walk through before playoff game. I'm glad you're not Steelers front office
Logically that is the best for both parties, but it gets to a point both sides are so mad that anything could happen. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.Steelers4Life said:
Im not as sure about that. Even LeVeon said that he did not take "that" much abuse because of his running style. At least before the current contract posturing where he is now saving his body..Milkman said:
But he didn't. I'm pretty sure if the Steelers had offered him $30M guaranteed, he'd be playing for the Steelers right now, but they didn't. He was the highest paid RB, in annual salary (not guarantees, which is what really matters), for ONE year.
Changing the goal posts again, huh? Where did the $40M come from?
Money heals all wounds in the NFL. I doubt it happens, but the Steelers could Transition Tag Bell next year. That gives them the option to match any contract offer he gets. If that happens and he signs a higher contract with whatever guarantees are associated with that, both the team and player would move forward together. There have been plenty of players who held out, got paid, and came back to work. (I know he's not "holding out" just an easier term)
30 mil or 40 mil guaranteed, whatever. Thats what every Bell supporter including you say he deserves. 30 or 40 it doesn't matter, why would they give either amount to a 2 time druggie and pregame playoff no show. You side stepped the entire point.
No, I didn't. That's been answered many times in this thread.
So where does Connor rank, do the Steelers have two Top 5 RBs? Maybe they don't have two Top 5 RBs, maybe they just have a great offense. I'm sure you've run the numbers, but right now James is on pace for 1,800 YFS and 16 TDs.
I wasn't aware I insulted you, unless you mean when I said I was as glad you weren't in the Steelers front office. But have they done a good job, I wouldn't say so. They mistakenly thought Bell would show up, but they made up for it by not giving into a ridiculous guaranteed contract they would have regretted.
Seriously? A guy has one good game, and that somehow puts him on equal footing with one of the universally recognized top RBs in the game?
So, you're OK with your team (I assume you're a fan) having to try to compete this year with a cap that is $14.5M less than any other team, just to "not give in?"
After the 2017 season I think most Steelers fans figured that Bell would be gone. We had a pretty good feel the Steelers would never pay the $17 million/year Bell was asking for, let alone the guaranteed amount and frankly we didn't think that any RB was worth even the $14.5 million/year he would make under the franchise tag. When you factor the cap hit of Ben, Bell, AB, and that O-line there just isn't enough being spread to the defense.
Come on man. I get there is contact. But I see him inflict much more than he takes.
Now you are being passive aggressive. Just an opinion bud. I will let you know when I can see the future.
Well since you can determine the difference in damage done to people being hit and doing the hitting nothing would surprise me at this point.Now you are being passive aggressive. Just an opinion bud. I will let you know when I can see the future.
Let's stick to discussing Bell, nice try though.Seriously? A guy has one good game, and that somehow puts him on equal footing with one of the universally recognized top RBs in the game?
Conner's games this year:
31 rush/135 rush yards/2 rush TD/5 rec/ 57 rec yards-GREAT GAME
8 rush/17 rush yards/1 rush TD/5 rec/48 rec yards-BAD GAME
15 rush/ 61 rush yards/0 rush TD/ 5 rec/34 rec yards-AVERAGE GAME **until the last drive, where Pitt was killing the clock, Conner had 10 rush for 12 yards**
That's just foolish. Following that premise, Pitt should cut AB, as they'll save $39M against the cap over the next 3 years, and Smith-Shuster is just as good as him (better, even?) since he's had a couple of good games.
SMH
Wait, so YOU bring up Conner, then say “let’s stick to talking about Bell?”
Do you see him breaking defenders in half? I don't, he takes more punishment than any running back in the NFL just based on the volume the Steelers give him.
No running back is. Look at Gurley 2 years ago. Anyone can be shut down if they have bad coaching and a lack of talent.
Correct. Hard to have discussions with people who don't read what's written.Wait, so YOU bring up Conner, then say “let’s stick to talking about Bell?”
There’s no point in discussing this with you; your belief that Conner is as good as Bell because he had 1 good game is ridiculous. I’ll gladly eat crow and admit Conner is as good as Bell when he puts up 3 years with 1800+ YFS.
Agreed, it is hard.
A solid backup/passable starter RB.
That's simply not true. JuJu is the reason Brown is "slumping." He's gone from a devloping rookie into a bona fide stud WR himself and has the trust of Ben in big situations, and Brown is no longer the 1st and 2nd option on every pass play.matuski said:
While you are correct, the game film shows a lot of attention paid to AB, not as much to Conner. If JJSS continues to play well, D’s might have to choose to respect him more, as they used to have to do for Bell. For now, however, game pass film shows D’s focusing on AB more than Conner. That is at least part of the reason he’s not performing up to his usual standards.
Not based on everything I've seen, read and heard, but it's not worth debating. With or without Bell, its a dynamic offense capable of winning a Super Bowl. The defense is what will cost them that chance, not Bell's absense.
It isn't even a debate.
Thats the point.. There hasn't been much of a difference. Bell was always covered by a linebacker unless he lined up out wide. Sometimes a safety. Almost never a corner. The difference isnt who covers Conner, it's that Bell is more of a mismatch.It isn't even a debate.
No Bell, teams can focus on AB. Really isn't something to argue.
Conner has been covered by a LB.
Juju is indeed better, but that isn't the difference on offense.
I'm not trying to justify anything away, and I'm pretty realistic about what Bell is and isn't and what the team is and isn't. My opinions on it are throughout the last dozen pages or so. You might try watching the team play regularly before judging what's happening and what's not and how it compares to before.
Its not worth it. People who dont watch the team every week or only care about his fantasy stats will see what they want to see, whether it's actually there or not.
It's hardly surprising they've been forced to pass a lot more without having their elite running back chewing up yards and time. They are forced into shootouts faster than they would be otherwise.
