TE Rob Gronkowski, TB (5 Viewers)

Wish this was a road game. The "if he travels" question was a nice tell. In my league, waivers are locked at 12:55 PM on Sunday. If I don't know for sure by then, I gotta pick up one of the those scrubs listed above and hope for 5 to 8 points.

You betta play Gronk!

Raiderfan32904 said:

Wish this was a road game. The "if he travels" question was a nice tell. In my league, waivers are locked at 12:55 PM on Sunday. If I don't know for sure by then, I gotta pick up one of the those scrubs listed above and hope for 5 to 8 points.

You betta play Gronk!

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Inactive players are announced at least 90 minutes before kickoff. IMO if he is active he will play.

moondog said:

Raiderfan32904 said:

Wish this was a road game. The "if he travels" question was a nice tell. In my league, waivers are locked at 12:55 PM on Sunday. If I don't know for sure by then, I gotta pick up one of the those scrubs listed above and hope for 5 to 8 points.

You betta play Gronk!

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Inactive players are announced at least 90 minutes before kickoff. IMO if he is active he will play.

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obviously if he's active he will play Sherlock Holmes........

elbowrm said:

So of course it's a 4 o'clock game. I see the following likely last-minute inactive insurance options on most wires:

TEN @ SEA: Walker

SEA v TEN: Miller

JAX @ DEN: Harbor

ARI @ SF: Housler

WAS @ DAL: Reed

Walker, then Reed, then Miller seems to be the order of preference.

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Nice contingency list and thanks for reminding me of the 4pm start because Gresham 1pm on my bench ain't going to cut it.

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MoveToSkypager said:

Do people forget 2 Fridays ago it was reported that "if the game were today, he'd play", then Sunday rolled around and he didn't? Something is going on.

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Ya he's recovering from injuries.

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Sometimes recovering. Sometimes he's getting worse.

Do we know when Dr. Andrews is supposed to examine him?

Gronk Article Dude is going to absolutely beast when he gets back (this Sunday I say).

The question that greeted the Patriots at training camp and has hung around during the first five weeks of the NFL season like a neighborhood nuisance — When will Gronk come back? — appears ready to be answered.

According to multiple reports, tight end Rob Gronkowski should be cleared to play in Sunday’s game against the New Orleans Saints at Gillette Stadium. He has been working his way back onto the field after having multiple surgical procedures during the offseason: one on his back, and four on his left forearm, which was broken twice last season.

Standing in the way may be Dr. James Andrews, a noted orthopedic surgeon who consulted during Gronkowski’s forearm treatment but did not perform any of the surgeries. The website ProFootballTalk said that Andrews will have the final say later this week as to whether Gronkowski will be cleared to play, because Andrews is “in charge of the decision-making process.” ESPN also reported Andrews’s role in Gronkowski’s potential return.

Both reports said that it’s likely Gronkowski will be cleared and will play against the Saints, but that it’s not a certainty.


Getting the two-time Pro Bowl tight end back likely would give the Patriots’ struggling offense a boost. Despite their 4-1 record, the Patriots are 24th in the league in points per game (19.0), and have completed only five passes all season to tight ends, none for touchdowns. In his three seasons with the Patriots, Gronkowski has averaged 4.3 receptions per game, and set NFL records for touchdown catches (17) and receiving yards (1,327) by a tight end in a season, in 2011.

Gronkowski has yet to miss a practice since of the start of the season, fueling weekly speculation that he soon might be healthy enough to play. The will-he-or-won’t-he story line has gained momentum the past few weeks, with Gronkowski being listed as “questionable” before each of the last three games. For the first two games this season, Gronkowski was “doubtful.”

But Gronkowski didn’t travel with the team to either Atlanta or Cincinnati for the most recent games, and was downgraded to “out” the day before each.

Gronkowski originally broke his forearm Nov. 18 last season, and missed the next five games. He rebroke it in the playoff opener against the Texans, then had three more surgeries on it during the offseason because of an infection.

The Patriots had the option before the season of placing Gronkowski on the physically unable to perform list, but that would have forced him to sit out the first six games. If he plays against the Saints Sunday in Week 6, that decision will pay off, but there’s another benefit: Players on the PUP list are forbidden to practice; Gronkowski hasn’t missed a workout, gaining valuable practice reps.

Recent reports indicated that the team and the player (and the player’s inner circle) were at odds over whether he was healthy enough to be playing, something Gronkowski dismissed one week ago.

“No, not at all,” Gronkowski said last Wednesday, when asked if he felt he were being pressured by the Patriots to return soon. “Everything is great around here. We were on the same page from the very get-go, and still on the same page, and it’s going good.

“I’m progressing every week, I’m feeling better every week, getting stronger every week, getting better conditioning every week. Still sticking to the motto, ‘day by day.’ Tomorrow’s another day, and we’ll go from there.”

You can be sure that quarterback Tom Brady, coach Bill Belichick, and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels are eager for Gronkowski to return, if only because they won’t be asked on a regular basis anymore about the tight end being out.

But there’s more to it than that. Whenever Gronkowski comes back, Brady and the offense will be getting a player who can help solve their red zone woes. The Patriots have driven 17 times inside the opponents’ 20-yard-line, yet scored only six touchdowns on those drives. At 35 percent, that percentage is next-to-last in the league, in front of only Jacksonville.

In Gronkowski’s record-setting 2011 season, 12 of his 17 receiving touchdowns came in the red zone.

Having him back should bring results. Playing without him has been reality.

“Our tight ends have done a nice job doing what we’ve asked them to do so far this season,” said McDaniels. “We all go through times of the year where our roster is continually in flux, and that’s every team in the league, and we’re absolutely no different.

“Everybody goes through injuries, everybody goes through periods of time where a player or two may miss time. Does it affect the entire balance of your offense? At times it does, but that’s what 32 teams have to figure out how to do every week.”

Because Gronkowski has been on the practice field and shown signs of a return, McDaniels has crafted game plans that have included him. So far, those have had to be scrapped.

“If Rob happened to be playing, then maybe we would tweak a few things, maybe we wouldn’t,” said McDaniels. “I know he’s practiced and been a part of our practices, which has been great, and he’s taken his share of reps.

“You just kind of do the best things that you can against the defense you’re playing, and if there’s a different player that’s available to you on Sunday, we deal with that.”

If things go well this week, the Patriots finally will have Gronkowski back in uniform. He’s been hesitant to say exactly when.

“When I’m ready, I’m ready,” Gronkowski said last week. “If it’s this Sunday, next Sunday, Sunday after, it’s just going day by day, and so I really couldn’t tell you when it’s going to be.”

Pats 5 passes to TEs all season. 2nd to last in the NFL redzone TD conversion rate.

Here Gronky Gronky Gronkyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Leeroy Jenkins said:

Do we know when Dr. Andrews is supposed to examine him?

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I doubt it matters since the Pats are not likely to let the results of the exam leak.

Roto blurb says Dr. Andrews cleared him? "it's unclear how much of that concern was alleviated by Dr. Andrews recent clearance"

Anybody see anything about Andrews elsewhere?

Leeroy Jenkins said:

Roto blurb says Dr. Andrews cleared him? "it's unclear how much of that concern was alleviated by Dr. Andrews recent clearance"

Anybody see anything about Andrews elsewhere?

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The article that rotoworld cited as its source DID NOT mention that Dr. Andrews cleared him. It said that the Pats decided to "to bring in noted orthopedic specialist Dr. James Andrews to sign off on whether Gronkowski is indeed ready to play, taking the decision out of the hands of the Patriots, Gronkowski and Dr. Gill." Rotoworld then editorialized that to say "Dr. Andrews recent clearance."

That same article seems shaky to me. It cites un-named sources "with knowledge of the initial forearm surgery," to suggest that there is now concern that there might be an abscess in the forearm. My question (and a question the reporter should have asked/raised) is there has been 3 surgeries on his forearm since then, wouldn't someone with knowledge of one of those surgeries have been a better source for this possible abscess? Wouldn't an abscess show up on X-ray, MRI, or WHEN THE ARM IS BEING OPERATED ON during one of those subsequent surgeries.

I dis-like "news" that cites un-named sources, especially when the conclusion that the reporter draws from the info gained from the un-named source is illogical.

Sigh

@AdamSchefter: There is less optimism today than there was earlier this week that Rob Gronkowski will play Sunday vs. New Orleans. Still not cleared by Dr.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/gronkowski-hasnt-been-cleared-yet/

Pft: not cleared yet. F'in roto

Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

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@AdamSchefter: There is less optimism today than there was earlier this week that Rob Gronkowski will play Sunday vs. New Orleans. Still not cleared by Dr.

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not liking the sounds of this....dropped my back up tight end due to injuries/bye weeks and now I may need to make some serious decisions if he doesn't play.

Here is my take; pats dr cleared gronk week 3 or 4. Obviously they thought he'd be back by now, otherwise he'd have been on pup. Gronk and family do not trust pats dr now. They feel pressured to do surgery last year to rush him back. Then surgery apparently botched causing multiple more procedures. So gronks feel leery still and want 3rd party to confirm pats dr clearance. Gronk has been practicing, so it seems to be mental and trust issues now. I suspect Andrews will clear him unless pats dr truly a crook.

YIKES:

Rob Gronkowski seriously concerned about forearm Fri Oct 11, 09:24 AM

Updating an ongoing story, New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski's (forearm, back) representatives have serious concern over the health of his left forearm. Multiple industry sources said his arm might have recovered properly on its own if he hadn't had a plate surgically implanted into his arm to return to the field last season. A source said there is serious concern over the integrity of the bone and surrounding nerves near the plate. There are also concerns that an abscess developed following the surgery that caused an infection and weakened the bone. Gronkowski's family and representatives were made aware of the issues and advised him to hold off on returning until it could be determined if the bone had fully healed. This led to the decision to have Dr. James Andrews evaluate him.

Link to story

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

YIKES:

Rob Gronkowski seriously concerned about forearm Fri Oct 11, 09:24 AM

Updating an ongoing story, New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski's (forearm, back) representatives have serious concern over the health of his left forearm. Multiple industry sources said his arm might have recovered properly on its own if he hadn't had a plate surgically implanted into his arm to return to the field last season. A source said there is serious concern over the integrity of the bone and surrounding nerves near the plate. There are also concerns that an abscess developed following the surgery that caused an infection and weakened the bone. Gronkowski's family and representatives were made aware of the issues and advised him to hold off on returning until it could be determined if the bone had fully healed. This led to the decision to have Dr. James Andrews evaluate him.

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They are citing the same article as rotoworld cited when they said Andrews had already cleared him. And they are editorializing, as well. There is no named source, and no one from Gronkowski's family is quoted. There is no mention of evidence that there is serious damage to the forearm, just an un-named source saying there might be, or there is fear of damage. Furthermore, the "un-named" source who has "serious concerns" about the integrity of the forearm, is noted as having knowledge of "the first forearm surgery." He's had 3 surgeries since then, don't you think that if there was concern over the integrity of the forearm, someone who had knowledge from one of the last 3 forearm surgeries could have been found?

I'd love to see a report that actually names their sources, those would be more reliable and credible.

Looks like Gronk took some horrible advice to get that risky procedure by the Pats team doctor. Should have gone to Dr James Andrews in the first place. Probably wouldn't have gotten that plate that's led to all these complications. Going forward, every player should be leery of team doc's and make sure they get an independent opinion. From the sounds of what they are saying, it doesn't look like he's ready. Maybe the plate is shifting around in his arm still. If it's not right, I don't think time is going to heal him. May take more surgery to get the left forearm stablized. If that's indeed the issue. What a mess!

Bayhawks said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

YIKES:

Rob Gronkowski seriously concerned about forearm Fri Oct 11, 09:24 AM

Updating an ongoing story, New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski's (forearm, back) representatives have serious concern over the health of his left forearm. Multiple industry sources said his arm might have recovered properly on its own if he hadn't had a plate surgically implanted into his arm to return to the field last season. A source said there is serious concern over the integrity of the bone and surrounding nerves near the plate. There are also concerns that an abscess developed following the surgery that caused an infection and weakened the bone. Gronkowski's family and representatives were made aware of the issues and advised him to hold off on returning until it could be determined if the bone had fully healed. This led to the decision to have Dr. James Andrews evaluate him.

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They are citing the same article as rotoworld cited when they said Andrews had already cleared him. And they are editorializing, as well. There is no named source, and no one from Gronkowski's family is quoted. There is no mention of evidence that there is serious damage to the forearm, just an un-named source saying there might be, or there is fear of damage. I'd love to see a report that actually names their sources, those would be more reliable and credible.

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just pulled it off the blogger, do with it what you will sir.

Raiderfan32904 said:

Looks like Gronk took some horrible advice to get that risky procedure by the Pats team doctor. Should have gone to Dr James Andrews in the first place. Probably wouldn't have gotten that plate that's led to all these complications. Going forward, every player should be leery of team doc's and make sure they get an independent opinion. From the sounds of what they are saying, it doesn't look like he's ready. Maybe the plate is shifting around in his arm still. If it's not right, I don't think time is going to heal him. May take more surgery to get the left forearm stablized. If that's indeed the issue. What a mess!

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he may never be able to play again because he has Plates for forearms... I could see this drag out all year and he miss whole season sadly. This is getting ridiculous.

well looks like week 6 is a wash fellas... grab waiver scrubs and live another day.

this situation is almost like a bad movie and even with the 9th round selection that I took this guy is starting to look like a crap pick even there. Doesn't seem like he will play anytime soon, don't like the reports. More bad news on fri for Gronk.

NE pats are dummy org... the way they deal with players, etc.

the whole hernandez fiasco will endeavor NE to being Dummies.

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Bayhawks said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

YIKES:

Rob Gronkowski seriously concerned about forearm Fri Oct 11, 09:24 AM

Updating an ongoing story, New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski's (forearm, back) representatives have serious concern over the health of his left forearm. Multiple industry sources said his arm might have recovered properly on its own if he hadn't had a plate surgically implanted into his arm to return to the field last season. A source said there is serious concern over the integrity of the bone and surrounding nerves near the plate. There are also concerns that an abscess developed following the surgery that caused an infection and weakened the bone. Gronkowski's family and representatives were made aware of the issues and advised him to hold off on returning until it could be determined if the bone had fully healed. This led to the decision to have Dr. James Andrews evaluate him.

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They are citing the same article as rotoworld cited when they said Andrews had already cleared him. And they are editorializing, as well. There is no named source, and no one from Gronkowski's family is quoted. There is no mention of evidence that there is serious damage to the forearm, just an un-named source saying there might be, or there is fear of damage. I'd love to see a report that actually names their sources, those would be more reliable and credible.

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just pulled it off the blogger, do with it what you will sir.

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I'm not complaining about you posting it, and I'm not criticizing you. These kinds of reports (as with the ones from a few weeks ago, and those from TC, and the offseason) are trying to "scoop" everyone else, so they rely on anonymous sources, and IMO aren't as reliable as reports that rely on actual names and facts.

Frat boy Gronk with plates for forearms and no bone structure. Did they want to tun this guy into ROBO COP. I mean that's just ######ed, should have just let it heal on its own without surg. He would have been playing by now .... New England just is in shambles right now and maybe it's Karma for the Cheating and spygate.

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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He's practiced every day since week 3.

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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After an injury so severe that it took several surgeries to correct it, and a long layoff, and the at the end of the recovery it appears that the team and the player disagree how healthy he is, I'm going to watch him one week before starting. If I leave 20 points on the bench, so be it. It doesn't matter who the player is.

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

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Bennett was also a GTD with a knee injury that caused him to miss time just 4 days prior to my decision.

MoveToSkypager said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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After an injury so severe that it took several surgeries to correct it, and a long layoff, and the at the end of the recovery it appears that the team and the player disagree how healthy he is, I'm going to watch him one week before starting. If I leave 20 points on the bench, so be it. It doesn't matter who the player is.

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That's fine for you. However, you didn't decide to post in this thread like starting Gronkowski was the stupidest thing a person could do, and that people should "know better." There is a chance Gronkowski doesn't play, and there is a chance he does play, but doesn't do much. If one decides that risk is worth the possible reward, that doesn't make him/her stupid, nor does it equate to "terrible team management," nor does it imply that said owner should know better. If you did post that, you'd be wrong, as well.

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

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You do realize that I wasn't responding to you, rather that I was responding to the poster who criticized you for starting Gronkowski over Bennet, right? You do realize that the big "sarcasm" emoticon indicates that I wasn't being serious, right?

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

**ETA**

Bennett was also a GTD with a knee injury that caused him to miss time just 4 days prior to my decision.

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I think you missed the giant sarcasm sign on Bayhawks' post. He's on your side. Which is the right side, btw.

Leeroy Jenkins said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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He's practiced every day since week 3.

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is his practicing the same as the rest of the team though? Is it "limited" whatever that means?

Bayhawks said:

MoveToSkypager said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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After an injury so severe that it took several surgeries to correct it, and a long layoff, and the at the end of the recovery it appears that the team and the player disagree how healthy he is, I'm going to watch him one week before starting. If I leave 20 points on the bench, so be it. It doesn't matter who the player is.

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That's fine for you. However, you didn't decide to post in this thread like starting Gronkowski was the stupidest thing a person could do, and that people should "know better." There is a chance Gronkowski doesn't play, and there is a chance he does play, but doesn't do much. If one decides that risk is worth the possible reward, that doesn't make him/her stupid, nor does it equate to "terrible team management," nor does it imply that said owner should know better. If you did post that, you'd be wrong, as well.

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OK, I didn't follow the whole conversation. I just wanted to address that idea you posted. I'd not call anyone stupid for starting Gronk or any of that other stuff. If you are in a situation where you need to embrace risk (few other high point scoring players in your lineup) then starting Gronk makes perfect sense to me.

Bayhawks said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

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You do realize that I wasn't responding to you, rather that I was responding to the poster who criticized you for starting Gronkowski over Bennet, right? You do realize that the big "sarcasm" emoticon indicates that I wasn't being serious, right?

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I do realize that and I was being saracastic as well--on the phone I cant use the saracasam chumpy

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Leeroy Jenkins said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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He's practiced every day since week 3.

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is his practicing the same as the rest of the team though? Is it "limited" whatever that means?

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It has been limited which Im sure you know isnt an indication that he will or will not play.

It's all irrelevant at this point IMO....2 days ago everybody in the know said he was playing, which we hadnt heard until this week and today its done a complete 180

Bigboy10182000 said:

bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

Leeroy Jenkins said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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He's practiced every day since week 3.

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is his practicing the same as the rest of the team though? Is it "limited" whatever that means?

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It has been limited which Im sure you know isnt an indication that he will or will not play.

It's all irrelevant at this point IMO....2 days ago everybody in the know said he was playing, which we hadnt heard until this week and today its done a complete 180

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I think this exact saem thing happened in pre week4 as well.

I will believe he plays, when he actually does.

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Bayhawks said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

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You do realize that I wasn't responding to you, rather that I was responding to the poster who criticized you for starting Gronkowski over Bennet, right? You do realize that the big "sarcasm" emoticon indicates that I wasn't being serious, right?

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I do realize that and I was being saracastic as well--on the phone I cant use the saracasam chumpy

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Okay, "chumpy." If you realized that, then why say better safe than sorry doesn't win in FFB? That was the point I was making. Why say eating crow doesn't mean what I think it means? The other poster say you should know better than to start Gronk. I asked him if Gronk played well, would he come back and eat crow? It means exactly what I think it means.

Look, I'm sorry I jumped into your post here. I think your decision to start Gronk over Bennett was the right one, based on the information available at the time. Sorry that you got so upset that I agree with you.

All the arguing! Sheesh. On the topic of the setback with Gronk. It has to concern everyone that James Andrews was called in, to begin with. At least it concerned me when I heard it yesterday or the day before. In my mind, when I heard that, it meant that the possibility of a setback was very real. As if it was finally just "enough is enough". Let's get someone else in here to fix this.

Now, it may just be that he is getting the second opinion for the purposes of being cleared. Obviously, I have no idea. These are just the things that crossed my mind when I heard the Andrews story. I think we are all learning that a lot of teams are starting to go the way of the Patriot's. Meaning that they hide injury and status as much as they can, and play fast and loose with the facts. Look to Atlanta and Roddy.

Who knows, this un-cited source may be Belichick trying to gain an advantage with Gronk coming back. Sort of like, if I put this out and create doubt, maybe they will believe it and not game plan the way that they should for him. most likely though, this is far from the truth, and Gronk is seriously concerned about the health of that arm

So if he doesn't play this week, is 1 or even 5 weeks rest going to make any kind of difference after all those surgeries.

I always wondered in the back on my mind, how so many surgeries can not be looked upon as a big redflag, but the fantasy community seemed to gloss over it.

Is it basically now or never with Gronk for this season,?

Bayhawks said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Bayhawks said:

zandbak said:

Bigboy10182000 said:

Of course the BS comes out minutes after I bench Bennett for Gronk, FML

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Why would you ever start a chronically injured player the first week he might POSSIBLY be back. Especially when it's being reported that he's lost weight and hasn't practiced. And to top it off there is no guarentee that if he does play he plays full snaps, is up to speed with Brady, gets looks or anything. Just terrible fantasy team management. You should know better.

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Exactly. It doesn't matter if the guy is one of the tops at his position. Better safe than sorry, I always say. That's why I didn't start Adrian Peterson week 1 of last year. Sure, I missed out on his 22 FF points and I lost my game, but at least I knew better.

It's real easy for you to say this when there are negative reports about Gronk playing this week, but IF he does play, and he does well, are you going to come back in this thread and eat crow? I doubt it.

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Better safe than sorry doesnt usually win in FFB

As mentioned above, he's been practicing since week 3

As per yesterday and week before week 6 (this week) is the one he was targetting

And eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means in this case...

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You do realize that I wasn't responding to you, rather that I was responding to the poster who criticized you for starting Gronkowski over Bennet, right? You do realize that the big "sarcasm" emoticon indicates that I wasn't being serious, right?

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I do realize that and I was being saracastic as well--on the phone I cant use the saracasam chumpy

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Okay, "chumpy." If you realized that, then why say better safe than sorry doesn't win in FFB? That was the point I was making. Why say eating crow doesn't mean what I think it means? The other poster say you should know better than to start Gronk. I asked him if Gronk played well, would he come back and eat crow? It means exactly what I think it means.

Look, I'm sorry I jumped into your post here. I think your decision to start Gronk over Bennett was the right one, based on the information available at the time. Sorry that you got so upset that I agree with you.

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Chumpy was not a name for you--it was reffering to the emoji...

I said better safe than sorry doesnt win because I was reiterating what you said.

I said eating crow doesnt mean what you think it means because it didnt apply to his post. He seemed to be taking a cautious approach, nothing that required one to eat crow if wrong.

Your perception of my reaction is also incorrect.

Shall we move on?

Edited to remove my post after I couldn't find any source to confirm the news.

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So if he doesn't play this week, is 1 or even 5 weeks rest going to make any kind of difference after all those surgeries.

I always wondered in the back on my mind, how so many surgeries can not be looked upon as a big redflag, but the fantasy community seemed to gloss over it.

Is it basically now or never with Gronk for this season,?

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It would be very odd to me if he were practicing for almost 2 months, but won't be back for the season. However, if Dr. Andrews does find something (infection, abscess, etc) I wouldn't expect him to have any FF value this year.

The odds that he plays and put up huge numbers are so slim it makes it a no brainer.

There are some people that for some reason assume that the second he steps foot on the field he's suddenly a top 10 weekly play. Why? Do you not think it might take a few games to get up to speed?

this is going in the wrong direction fast...

HoTnickZ said:

So if he doesn't play this week, is 1 or even 5 weeks rest going to make any kind of difference after all those surgeries.

I always wondered in the back on my mind, how so many surgeries can not be looked upon as a big redflag, but the fantasy community seemed to gloss over it.

Is it basically now or never with Gronk for this season,?

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There was this ominous article from back in April:

NFL Rumors: Infection Could End Career Of Patriots’ Rob GronkowskiAccording to multiple reports, New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski will very likely need yet another surgery on his broken left arm, one that already has required three surgeries to this point. With this already devastating news, there is new fear that the infection may still need to be eradicated and, if there are still issues with the infection of the bone and plate, it could cost Gronkowski much more than just the beginning of the 2013 NFL season.

This is according to Dr. Ben Wedro, who practices emergency medicine at Gundersen Clinic in Wisconsin and has provided medical information for media outlets at the Olympics. He told The Boston Herald that the worst case scenario for Gronkowski and the Patriots could be quite dismal.

“If you have issues with reinfection of the bone and the plate, there can be long-term consequences that the bone will not heal,” said Wedro. “It may need significant time to heal. That means sometimes that they have to take the plate out, wash the wound out and let all of the infection completely resolve before they go back in and do a repair. Sometimes, you can get a chronic non-union, or non-healing, of the bone.”

Unfortunately, it gets worse.

Again, Wedro is not treating Gronkowski, so he does not have any first-hand knowledge of the injury or the exact situation as it relates to the tight end’s recovery. But he has seen similar cases before, and they do not always have a happy ending.

“If he has a wound that is chronically infected — they cannot get rid of the infection — it could stop them from having the definite operation to completely repair his arm, which means he probably would not play football,” Wedro said. “That is the worst-case scenario. I’m not saying that is going to happen, but that is the worst-case scenario.”

I sure would hate it if the Worst Case happened. I play fantasy football, but I am first and fore most a Gronkowski fan. I will live if he does not play on my fantasy team, but I would sure hate it if I never get to see him play again, or if I do not get to see him make a run at a season like Jimmy Graham is having.