Jump to content
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

***** OFFICIAL Rob Gronkowski - taking his talents to TB *****


Recommended Posts

the "is this news" debate is dumb. My guess is the people syaing it is not news really mean gronk will be fine, but let me wade into the silly debate

The fourth surgery had been considered "very likely" since Gronkowski sustained an infection in the left forearm earlier this year

sounds like it is news because it was "very likely" not "a sure thing"

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I just meant that it would have been a big surprise if there had been no 4th surgery -- it was expected. Definitely not saying 'he's fine'.

:goodposting:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

was going to make a booze and whore joke but this seems very concerning. is his career or an entire arm in jeopardy?

Neither...he will be fine, already this went this process, the biggest thing is the infection. ( side note when you cut yourself make sure you put something on it)

infection is the only thing. thats like a huge deal. thats how ppl lose limbs.

Only somewhat rhetorical question; what's more likely - amputation or being injured in a traffic accident on the way to the hospital?

It seems a bit early to be talking about amputation. The later end of the recovery time-table places him back before training camp. That's the likey scenario at this point, right?

They tried to kill the infection without removing the plate, it didn’t work so they’re removing the plate. Right now, it's nothing more than that, based on my understanding of what I've read.

Edited by Concept Coop
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I have this right, but IIRC...

He may not have a bone infection at all. In which case the antibiotics should have removed the infection and the plate replacement should go well. So the results of the upcoming operation are really the key info (the news). We want to hear after the surgery that there's no infection and they replaced the plate.

If he did have a bone infection it's still possible the antibiotics may have killed it and they'll replace the plate.

If the antibiotics haven't killed the infection a new course of antibiotics, perhaps lasting a long time, would still be something like 90% effective. But he won't be ready for training camp and probably not Week 1 since they'd need to wait until the infection is gone and replace the plate in a 5th surgery.

In the event that the infection doesn't respond to antibiotics or repeatedly returns and he's eventually revealed to have a chronic bone infection there's something like a 10% chance it would end with the amputation of the limb.

So we're a long way from that and we don't have the information we'd need to know what's really happening, but it is theoretically possible

It's also possible I've misunderstood or misremembered something I read. And I've almost certainly botched something up there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I have this right, but IIRC...

He may not have a bone infection at all. In which case the antibiotics should have removed the infection and the plate replacement should go well. So the results of the upcoming operation are really the key info (the news). We want to hear after the surgery that there's no infection and they replaced the plate.

If he did have a bone infection it's still possible the antibiotics may have killed it and they'll replace the plate.

If the antibiotics haven't killed the infection a new course of antibiotics, perhaps lasting a long time, would still be something like 90% effective. But he won't be ready for training camp and probably not Week 1 since they'd need to wait until the infection is gone and replace the plate in a 5th surgery.

In the event that the infection doesn't respond to antibiotics or repeatedly returns and he's eventually revealed to have a chronic bone infection there's something like a 10% chance it would end with the amputation of the limb.

So we're a long way from that and we don't have the information we'd need to know what's really happening, but it is theoretically possible

It's also possible I've misunderstood or misremembered something I read. And I've almost certainly botched something up there.

This is what I’ve read too - I assume you got this from the DLF Dynasty Dr. article?

My understanding: If the news is bad, there is still a 90% success rate and recovery would put us close to the start of the season. And that rate is for everyone, not just 24 year old world class athletes with top end resources.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'm not sure I have this right, but IIRC...

He may not have a bone infection at all. In which case the antibiotics should have removed the infection and the plate replacement should go well. So the results of the upcoming operation are really the key info (the news). We want to hear after the surgery that there's no infection and they replaced the plate.

If he did have a bone infection it's still possible the antibiotics may have killed it and they'll replace the plate.

If the antibiotics haven't killed the infection a new course of antibiotics, perhaps lasting a long time, would still be something like 90% effective. But he won't be ready for training camp and probably not Week 1 since they'd need to wait until the infection is gone and replace the plate in a 5th surgery.

In the event that the infection doesn't respond to antibiotics or repeatedly returns and he's eventually revealed to have a chronic bone infection there's something like a 10% chance it would end with the amputation of the limb.

So we're a long way from that and we don't have the information we'd need to know what's really happening, but it is theoretically possible

It's also possible I've misunderstood or misremembered something I read. And I've almost certainly botched something up there.

This is what I’ve read too - I assume you got this from the DLF Dynasty Dr. article?

My understanding: If the news is bad, there is still a 90% success rate and recovery would put us close to the start of the season. And that rate is for everyone, not just 24 year old world class athletes with top end resources.

Yeah, I think that's it.

IIRC the 90% thing is a long-term cure rate though. Not necessarily just the next single treatment.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just as the news was getting better on Rob Gronkowsi's arm, there's word his back is once again acting up and could require surgery as well.

The New England Patriots' tight end recently underwent an MRI on his back to check on a disc issue he had dating back to last season, a person informed of Gronkowski's medical status told USA TODAY Sports.

The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the Patriots' policy of not publicly detailing injuries, said the issue is with a different disc than the one that needed to be shaved down in via surgery 2009 and that a final decision on whether surgery will be required has not yet been made. The person said Gronkowski will see noted spine specialist Robert Watkins in the near future, after next week's surgery to install a new plate into his forearm.

The person said the hope is, if surgery on his back is required, Gronkowski will be back within the same time frame as his recovery from the arm injury, which he initially suffered in November but has been prolonged because of an infection in the limb.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gronk's camp is referring to the back surgery as minor.

Sorry, there's really no such thing as minor back surgery. His back was the reason he fell in the draft to begin with. This should be a major red flag and hold for people. This concerns me a whole lot more than the arm thing.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Gronk's camp is referring to the back surgery as minor.Sorry, there's really no such thing as minor back surgery. His back was the reason he fell in the draft to begin with. This should be a major red flag and hold for people. This concerns me a whole lot more than the arm thing.

well said GroveDiesel, hard to believe a back surgery is minor.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am holding now, but I am going to make sure I have a very good backup. The good news is, there are usually good backups floating on the wire. For instance Martellus Bennett and Brandon Myers are available in our rookie draft.

And the bad news is not in any of the leagues I play in are those guys on the waiver wire/rookie draft

Edited by Dez
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting question. Gun to your head today, who do you take in dynasty, Gronk or Hernandez?

Gronk by a good margin.
Interesting. What is "a good margin" to you? What would someone need to add to hernandez for you to deal gronk?

I think I agree; BUT...

The upside is higher on Hernandez, because if Gronk goes on IR, Hernandez becomes the man, probably as good as or better than Gronk would be in a 2 man scenario..

The downside is higher on Gronk, for the same reason.

However, if Gronk is OK, then Hernandez becomes far less valuable.

You pays your money, and you takes your choice.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.

Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.
To each their own. I'd rather take the risk that he's never the same again, than deal him for that and then watch him continue his domination of the NFL. Peyton and Pitta aren't enough of a get, sorry. I could look back in three years after being wrong, with Gronk worth NOTHING, and still not regret passing on Peyton and Pitta. That's not enough value to regret passing on, when you're talking about consistent HOF production up to this point in Gronk's career.I absolutely will buy the argument that a smart, cautious owner isn't buying Gronk right now unless it's cheap. But I refuse to believe that this same smart, cautious owner should be SELLING for less than he's worth. At worst he's a hold, or frankly, you're a moron. Not you, specifically. But anyone who sells far below market value in May. Edited by ConnSKINS26
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Love the scare. Just got gronk for 1.01 & 1.04.

No way I do this in 1.5 PPR for TE (and I have Gronk in quite a few of those), but for regular 1PPR, I'd take the 1.1 and 1.4 fairly easily.

Even if he was healthy it's not horrible deal. I'm not really a fan of picking a player at 1.1 but it's worth a lot in trade.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.
To each their own. I'd rather take the risk that he's never the same again, than deal him for that and then watch him continue his domination of the NFL. Peyton and Pitta aren't enough of a get, sorry. I could look back in three years after being wrong, with Gronk worth NOTHING, and still not regret passing on Peyton and Pitta. That's not enough value to regret passing on, when you're talking about consistent HOF production up to this point in Gronk's career.I absolutely will buy the argument that a smart, cautious owner isn't buying Gronk right now unless it's cheap. But I refuse to believe that this same smart, cautious owner should be SELLING for less than he's worth. At worst he's a hold, or frankly, you're a moron. Not you, specifically. But anyone who sells far below market value in May.

I always wondered why two starters (in your case Peyton and Pitta) for your team isnt good enough to get one injured player? While I would never offer that, I would take it if I was you. Its a value game, Pitta has potential to be just as good as Gronk as well, plus you get an elite QB? How is that not enough of a get? Because FBGers say so? lol whatever Gronk may be a star, but he is injury prone. He will not be in the league 4 years from now. Back surgery in the mid 20 after having a neck injury and 4 arm surgeries and a massive ankle injury? STAY AWAY! Also, if his name was not GRonk, everyone would be running from this kid. Stay away from this guy, he already hit his ceiling and will never hit it again. Back problems is not something I want in a player when they get hit hard.

Edited by Phenix
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.
To each their own. I'd rather take the risk that he's never the same again, than deal him for that and then watch him continue his domination of the NFL. Peyton and Pitta aren't enough of a get, sorry. I could look back in three years after being wrong, with Gronk worth NOTHING, and still not regret passing on Peyton and Pitta. That's not enough value to regret passing on, when you're talking about consistent HOF production up to this point in Gronk's career.I absolutely will buy the argument that a smart, cautious owner isn't buying Gronk right now unless it's cheap. But I refuse to believe that this same smart, cautious owner should be SELLING for less than he's worth. At worst he's a hold, or frankly, you're a moron. Not you, specifically. But anyone who sells far below market value in May.

I always wondered why two starters (in your case Peyton and Pitta) for your team isnt good enough to get one injured player? While I would never offer that, I would take it if I was you. Its a value game, Pitta has potential to be just as good as Gronk as well, plus you get an elite QB? How is that not enough of a get? Because FBGers say so? lol whatever Gronk may be a star, but he is injury prone. He will not be in the league 4 years from now. Back surgery in the mid 20 after having a neck injury and 4 arm surgeries and a massive ankle injury? STAY AWAY! Also, if his name was not GRonk, everyone would be running from this kid. Stay away from this guy, he already hit his ceiling and will never hit it again. Back problems is not something I want in a player when they get hit hard.

Pitta is a decent enough TE and likely will be a TE1 but I see nothing in his game that will allow him to become an elite TE. As for value, even Gronk with all these question marks is worth more than an average TE1 and a 37 yo QB due to his difference making potential.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.
To each their own. I'd rather take the risk that he's never the same again, than deal him for that and then watch him continue his domination of the NFL. Peyton and Pitta aren't enough of a get, sorry. I could look back in three years after being wrong, with Gronk worth NOTHING, and still not regret passing on Peyton and Pitta. That's not enough value to regret passing on, when you're talking about consistent HOF production up to this point in Gronk's career.I absolutely will buy the argument that a smart, cautious owner isn't buying Gronk right now unless it's cheap. But I refuse to believe that this same smart, cautious owner should be SELLING for less than he's worth. At worst he's a hold, or frankly, you're a moron. Not you, specifically. But anyone who sells far below market value in May.
I always wondered why two starters (in your case Peyton and Pitta) for your team isnt good enough to get one injured player? While I would never offer that, I would take it if I was you. Its a value game, Pitta has potential to be just as good as Gronk as well, plus you get an elite QB? How is that not enough of a get? Because FBGers say so? lol whatever Gronk may be a star, but he is injury prone. He will not be in the league 4 years from now. Back surgery in the mid 20 after having a neck injury and 4 arm surgeries and a massive ankle injury? STAY AWAY! Also, if his name was not GRonk, everyone would be running from this kid. Stay away from this guy, he already hit his ceiling and will never hit it again. Back problems is not something I want in a player when they get hit hard.
Pitta is a decent enough TE and likely will be a TE1 but I see nothing in his game that will allow him to become an elite TE. As for value, even Gronk with all these question marks is worth more than an average TE1 and a 37 yo QB due to his difference making potential.

Let's see. Back of the envelope... Manning would ad 3-4 PPG to my team for 2-3 seasons. Pitta would add nothing to my roster, even sans Gronk (D Thomas, Witten, Gonzo, Garcon, Shorts -- start four). Gronk has the possibility of adding 6-8 PPG for another 4-6 seasons (we'll assume he doesn't have a long career). So Manning + Pitta = +6-12 Gronk = +24-48 Which means that I if I think Gronk's average remaining career is likely to generate ~25% of his potential payoff it makes sense to keep him in this case. That's an easy call. Obviously this calcualation changes if you think a 28 year old journeyman-to-date like Dennis Pitta is suddenly going to develop into a HOF caliber TE. A fool and his studs are soon parted.

Edited by wdcrob
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let's see. Back of the envelope... Manning would ad 3-4 PPG to my team for 2-3 seasons. Pitta would add nothing to my roster, even sans Gronk (D Thomas, Witten, Gonzo, Garcon, Shorts -- start four). Gronk has the possibility of adding 6-8 PPG for another 4-6 seasons (we'll assume he doesn't have a long career). So Manning + Pitta = +6-12 Gronk = +24-48 Which means that I if I think Gronk's average remaining career is likely to generate ~25% of his potential payoff it makes sense to keep him in this case. That's an easy call. Obviously this calcualation changes if you think a 28 year old journeyman-to-date like Dennis Pitta is suddenly going to develop into a HOF caliber TE. A fool and his studs are soon parted.

Pun intended?

His "value" clearly is going to be predicated on his health. If we're being honest, we're all just guessing about how that's going to play out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That contract makes him cheap through 2015 - $17.5M over 4 years. After that his average is $10M a year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's not on the Patriots in 2016.

I'm sticking by what I said earlier.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Was just offered Peyton and Pitta -- if that's the state of the market I'll be holding.

Sell Mortimer Sell !!!! Get those machines back on!! Get those machines back on !!! Seriously, I'd bail now. We all try to imagine Gronk is superhuman, but he's not.
If you want to avoid the risk, it's understandable to sell if you can still get a really good price. Otherwise it's stupid to do so. Peyton and Pitta isn't really getting it done.
Peyton Manning and Pitta aren't in the conversation for a guy that has had a busted arm for half a year and is going to have, not his first, but his second back surgery? I think some people fall into the trap of loving for lust's sake. We all get it: we know what Gronk has been. But what is he now? I'm probably wrong but I am out of the business of assuming a long career when I hear about football players having multiple back surgeries.
To each their own. I'd rather take the risk that he's never the same again, than deal him for that and then watch him continue his domination of the NFL. Peyton and Pitta aren't enough of a get, sorry. I could look back in three years after being wrong, with Gronk worth NOTHING, and still not regret passing on Peyton and Pitta. That's not enough value to regret passing on, when you're talking about consistent HOF production up to this point in Gronk's career.I absolutely will buy the argument that a smart, cautious owner isn't buying Gronk right now unless it's cheap. But I refuse to believe that this same smart, cautious owner should be SELLING for less than he's worth. At worst he's a hold, or frankly, you're a moron. Not you, specifically. But anyone who sells far below market value in May.
I always wondered why two starters (in your case Peyton and Pitta) for your team isnt good enough to get one injured player? While I would never offer that, I would take it if I was you. Its a value game, Pitta has potential to be just as good as Gronk as well, plus you get an elite QB? How is that not enough of a get? Because FBGers say so? lol whatever Gronk may be a star, but he is injury prone. He will not be in the league 4 years from now. Back surgery in the mid 20 after having a neck injury and 4 arm surgeries and a massive ankle injury? STAY AWAY! Also, if his name was not GRonk, everyone would be running from this kid. Stay away from this guy, he already hit his ceiling and will never hit it again. Back problems is not something I want in a player when they get hit hard.
Pitta is a decent enough TE and likely will be a TE1 but I see nothing in his game that will allow him to become an elite TE. As for value, even Gronk with all these question marks is worth more than an average TE1 and a 37 yo QB due to his difference making potential.

Let's see. Back of the envelope... Manning would ad 3-4 PPG to my team for 2-3 seasons. Pitta would add nothing to my roster, even sans Gronk (D Thomas, Witten, Gonzo, Garcon, Shorts -- start four). Gronk has the possibility of adding 6-8 PPG for another 4-6 seasons (we'll assume he doesn't have a long career). So Manning + Pitta = +6-12 Gronk = +24-48 Which means that I if I think Gronk's average remaining career is likely to generate ~25% of his potential payoff it makes sense to keep him in this case. That's an easy call. Obviously this calcualation changes if you think a 28 year old journeyman-to-date like Dennis Pitta is suddenly going to develop into a HOF caliber TE. A fool and his studs are soon parted.

Journeyman? lol

He is entering his 4th year with the same team and has improved his play and performance each year. Plus with Boldin gone, his value should only increase.

Oh and he does not need a 4th surgery on his arm or have a bad back.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My rookie draft just started this morning, and Gronk was moved during it for Crabtree, Vic Ballard & the 1.09 (team took Eifert, pick was up when trade was made). No one seems to be up in arms about it, in fact one team mentioned on the chat that he thought the team getting Gronk was taking all the risk.I think it was pretty fair considering the circumstances.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
  • Create New...