shadyridr 14,320 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Dominant advantage at TE? Hes the sixth best TE. What are u talking about? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Hes definitely been a slight bust so far. Not sure how someone can argue otherwise Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amused to Death 7,113 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Dominant advantage at TE? Hes the sixth best TE. What are u talking about?I don't see it either. It sure hasn't felt dominant. If anything, the big game in week 5 is more the outlier. In his last 14 games ('13 & '14) Gronk's had 3 games with 100+ yds and a TD and none with 2 or more.Like I pointed out, 1 top-3 finish to date does not indicate dominance. Last week he was TE8 and based on scoring averages, could be as low as TE13 this week. Edited October 17, 2014 by Amused to Death Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer 491 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Besides J.Thomas, which TE do you want in your lineup and where has he finished every week? Also, are any of them coming off major knee surgery and playing a limited number of snaps? Edited October 17, 2014 by Synthesizer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Concept Coop 1,749 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I don't see it either. It sure hasn't felt dominant. If anything, the big game in week 5 is more the outlier. In his last 14 games ('13 & '14) Gronk's had 3 games with 100+ yds and a TD and none with 2 or more.Like I pointed out, 1 top-3 finish to date does not indicate dominance. Last week he was TE8 and based on scoring averages, could be as low as TE13 this week.I know I shouldn't be feeding your lot, but:Since cracking the 65% snap mark--3 weeks in a row--he's on a 96/1,392/5 per 16 pace. If you didn't account for a slow start--that's on you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Harstad 1,064 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 One thing he's not been so far this year is a dominant advantage at the TE position. He's finished a week in the top 3 once this year. And he'll most likely finish around TE8 or so this week. In my league, he's finished above TE6 1 time this year. And over the last 3 weeks Brady's thrown for 9 TDs. Gronk got 1 of those.Right now, I feel like my 3rd round pick has been a bust. He needs a few weeks of dominance to justify the pick here in the 2nd half of the FFL season.I went back and looked at what would have happened if a quarterback finished 6th in fantasy points every single week last season (I randomly gave him a week 10 bye). Two things would have been true.#1- the quarterback only would have topped 30 fantasy points once all season.#2- the quarterback would have scored as many fantasy points over the course of the year as Drew Brees, 60 points ahead of 3rd-place Andy Dalton.Would you say that player was dominant or not? I would say yes. Even without a single top-5 fantasy finish, that player was still a major difference-maker for his owner.If Rob Gronkowski keeps on putting up these ho-hum TE4-6 finishes all year long, and the end result is he's the #1 scoring fantasy TE from this point forward, then I would argue that Rob Gronkowski was absolutely a dominant asset. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,840 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Dominant advantage at TE? Hes the sixth best TE. What are u talking about?I don't see it either. It sure hasn't felt dominant. If anything, the big game in week 5 is more the outlier. In his last 14 games ('13 & '14) Gronk's had 3 games with 100+ yds and a TD and none with 2 or more.Like I pointed out, 1 top-3 finish to date does not indicate dominance. Last week he was TE8 and based on scoring averages, could be as low as TE13 this week.That means there are currently 6 TEs on pace to finish with numbers that would have put them as the standout TE2 last year. Care to predict how many of those guys are actually going to finish with numbers that leave them as a yearly standout TE2?There's something to be said for their predictability going forward. Every year there are guys that get off to fast starts, a guy like Gronk has value in that you know those are his actual numbers that he can maintain, and not just a brief hot stretch like most of the other guys are experiencing. Guys like Martellus Bennett and Delanie Walker have already started trending down, quickly.In 2012 there were about the same number TEs on pace to finish with typical TE2 numbers. Down in 11th place was Jimmy Graham, just behind Jermaine Gresham, Jared Cook, Scott Chandler, and Martellus Bennett. Care to guess where those guys ended up?Graham - 1stGresham - 11thCook - 19thChandler - 14thBennett - 13th 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amused to Death 7,113 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 One thing he's not been so far this year is a dominant advantage at the TE position. He's finished a week in the top 3 once this year. And he'll most likely finish around TE8 or so this week. In my league, he's finished above TE6 1 time this year. And over the last 3 weeks Brady's thrown for 9 TDs. Gronk got 1 of those.Right now, I feel like my 3rd round pick has been a bust. He needs a few weeks of dominance to justify the pick here in the 2nd half of the FFL season.I went back and looked at what would have happened if a quarterback finished 6th in fantasy points every single week last season (I randomly gave him a week 10 bye). Two things would have been true.#1- the quarterback only would have topped 30 fantasy points once all season.#2- the quarterback would have scored as many fantasy points over the course of the year as Drew Brees, 60 points ahead of 3rd-place Andy Dalton.Would you say that player was dominant or not? I would say yes. Even without a single top-5 fantasy finish, that player was still a major difference-maker for his owner.If Rob Gronkowski keeps on putting up these ho-hum TE4-6 finishes all year long, and the end result is he's the #1 scoring fantasy TE from this point forward, then I would argue that Rob Gronkowski was absolutely a dominant asset.He's been #6 once and #2 once in my league. He's consistantly around TE8 or lower. He's had one really good week and has followed that up with 2 very average/below average weeks. And as I pointed out, he's only had 3 weeks of 100+ and a TD in his last 14 games. He needs a few more of them soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
humpback 1,106 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's not really about what # TE he is, it's about the production vs. other TEs. So far, I'd certainly say he hasn't justified the draft pick, although I don't think anyone should have expected that by week 7. He started slowly (which was to be expected), made a nice jump in weeks 5 and 6, and then this week was a bit disappointing. As long as this week isn't indicative of a trend change (and I don't think it is), he'll be fine, although he may not get back to Gronk smash status much this year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stryker 5 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 He looks healthier to me each week. Sure we anticipated much more being we took him in the third or fourth rounds, but he could very easily go on a tear for the rest of the season. Outside of Julius and maybe Graham I can't think of a TE I would rather have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not ready to hold the first month of the season against him where he ran like a tranquilized elephant. Truth is, aside from a healthy Jimmy Graham, there's no other TE I'd rather own moving forward. Yes, I'd rather have him over JT, who is 13th in targets, 10th in receptions and 10th in yards and would have to continue his ridiculous TD pace to merit owning him over Gronk who despite looking like a shell of himself for most of the year is 4th in targets, 5th in receptions and 6th in yards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvnpoka 61 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 wish he would cut down on some of his drops Quote Link to post Share on other sites
packer_junkie 272 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 He doesn't have the flexibility to catch the low pass, never has, never will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 7/101/1 in the first half? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool 1,588 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Beast mode Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gianmarco 28,015 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He doesn't have the flexibility to catch the low pass, never has, never will. Doesn't matter (even if true). Never has, never will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shadyridr 14,320 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Finally! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amused to Death 7,113 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Finally! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool 1,588 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 just caught another - but under review - may be reversed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Hope they don't reverse that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amused to Death 7,113 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 First multi-TD game in 2 years. Helps mitigate that Hillman/Sanders beatdown I took Thursday night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's back. And if the Bears can score a little, his game is going to get even bigger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,840 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Could've had a 3rd TD already too. He was wide open on the Tim Wright scoring play. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share Posted October 26, 2014 ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slapdash 16,240 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Here we go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slackjawedyokel 147 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The 100 yard 2 td games are coming. As someone who doesn't own him, I love his game last night. Gives me one more week to try to buy!!!!People keep saying that doesnt make it true... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fruity pebbles 3,255 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Glad he's not injury prone like Jimmy Graham. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McGarnicle 11,112 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The General 24,239 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Hopefully Bill and Brady decide to pile it on this week and not take it easy in the second half. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FreeBaGeL 8,840 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's back. And if the Bears can score a little, his game is going to get even bigger.Whelp, so much for that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 He's back. And if the Bears can score a little, his game is going to get even bigger. Whelp, so much for that.Might get some work in with Garrapolo at this rate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gianmarco 28,015 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,615 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Wooooohoooooo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 677 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Wowza Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,386 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I feel so happy that I drafted this. Took some time, but it's about to pay off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbrasi 57 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I just gronked all over my leagues. muhahahahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hoot McGoot 21 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 OOOOOO BABY!!! I knew this thread would be hot!GRONK IS BACK!!!SMASHHHHH GRONK, SmASHHH!!!**please excuse my one time use of caps.** Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JoeSteeler 3,407 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 best 4th round pick I ever made Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fred_1_15301 5,467 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 wow this guy stinks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RenegadeGM 335 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Being treated for dehydration in the locker room... don't panic if you don't see him out there looking for a 4th TD! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ponchsox 622 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Well, here it is fellas. The monster game we knew was coming. There will be plenty more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bojang0301 2,246 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 There he is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ConnSKINS26 5,718 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Is Gronk back out there in the RZ now?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krsone21 366 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Gronk Smash puny Bears!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Run It Up 916 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 His girth will not be ignored. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SameSongNDance 7,014 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Almost dropped a ####### 50 burger in ffpc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kool-Aid Larry 693 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leonidas 108 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Facts.....1. He doesn't look good (insert any metric you want to, the only thing he has going for him atm is that he's big)2. He isn't explosive or dynamic as he was previously. He's not "making" plays happen, he's just hoping he's targeted and ball placement is on point.3. There are no viable threat options to spread out the field to keep defenders from climbing on him like he was a one of the Kardashian girls....4. Brady has lost a step and can't make the throws consistently (sorry, it's true)5 He's a "must start" by his history only, He really shouldn't be on the field at all, but Hoodie has no other options.6. Chicks dig my avatar, and they can't resist my "magic rabbit"....Yes and no. He still has 3 TD's in 4 games this season, despite all of that, and given his history and the injury recovery there is no good reason to believe that won't continue. Still no good reason to believe he won't continue to catch basically 1 TD for every game played. And still a must start.I'm happy to have started Gronkowski this week, I can tell that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Harstad 1,064 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Could've had a 3rd TD already too. He was wide open on the Tim Wright scoring play.Also tackled at the 1 yard line on another big gain.Welcome to the Gronkening. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kool-Aid Larry 693 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 and he did that damage on 41 snapsTIGHT ENDMichael Hoomanawanui -- 45 of 74Rob Gronkowski -- 41 of 74Tim Wright -- 21 of 74Quick-hit thoughts: Gronkowski missed the final three series because of dehydration, while Wright played only five of his 21 snaps in the first half. Hoomanawanui continues to serve as a valuable role player.out of my way, little man!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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