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Footballguy
Please share the names of any other players you are predicting to suffer injuries that will diminish their value.
Sorry, but your post hints are some resentment or bitterness towards Gronk.
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Sorry, but your post hints are some resentment or bitterness towards Gronk.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Gronk is just flat out better than Graham. More prone to injury...yes but i can see having either as the #1 guy.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
hardcoredx
Footballguy
And again.. staying healthy is a skill which Gronk doesn't have. Graham is flat out a better player
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Graham gets hurt too. When Gronk gets hurt, he sits and it's usually for a while. When Graham gets hurt he sometimes plays, sometimes doesn't, sometimes produces, might not.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sorry, this is just dumb.
Was Frank Gore unskilled when he tore two ACLs before 21? Or is he skilled now that he's played like 10 years without a major injury?
Does "Fragile Fred" or the 32 year old stud define Fred Taylor's level of skill in "staying healthy"?
Etc etc etc etc forever and ever with 100s of examples.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
I believe I'm the only staffer who has Gronk over Graham. Parsons also did during the preseason, but he moved Gronk down a spot during his slow start.
Also, it's not like Graham has been the picture of health. He had lingering ankle injuries as a rookie, had his effectiveness dramatically limited by a wrist injury in 2012 that, iirc, required surgery after the season, his amazing season was derailed by a case of plantar fasciitis last year, and a shoulder injury earlier this year hurt his numbers (and allowed Gronk to roar back in front of him in total fantasy points).
So Graham has a pretty long history of getting dinged up, and perhaps worse, of allowing those nicks and scrapes to substantially impact his production. Gronk might have had more serious injuries, but we also have a lot of evidence that he can play through small injuries better than Graham, and based on what we've seen his healing ability is borderline superhuman.
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Banger
Footballguy
I own gronk in a dynasty and if someone offered me graham i'd probably decline because of Gronk's higher upside. On the other hand if it was the other way around i'd also probably decline because of Gronk's higher risk of injury - which can't be completely ignored. Taking everything into account it's pretty even and depends on your risk tolerance and maybe the rest of your team.
hardcoredx
Footballguy
Sorry but your thinking is dumb and shows how little you understand sports. The difference between healthy and non healthy players is immense. To be able to play a physical sport and overcome injuries is a skill. How on earth isn't it a skill? In your world a supreme talent like D Rose is better than Chris paul.wdcrob said:
hardcoredx
Footballguy
Doesn't matter he got dinged up, he still played. The argument about Graham not being healthy is pretty weak, he has missed only 3 games. Gronk will break sooner or later given his historyAdam Harstad said:
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
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hardcoredx
Footballguy
Probably better than Gronk owners who drafted him the last few years.
No it did not turn out to be better. Gronk was out so you started someone else. Graham wasn't out so you started him and got a zero or marginal points. Since staying healthy is a skill to you: How would Graham have avoided the ACL tear Gronk suffered?
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
He may have more question marks than Graham in the long-term, but some feel this is offset by the fact that Graham isn't even in Gronkowski's league, when healthy (nobody is or, at the position, ever has been).hardcoredx said:
Mister CIA
Footballguy
gronksmash.com - Good news, this domain is available
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
that's the most awesome part about gronk --- you can always bank on at least one ridiculous gronkplay every game
Run It Up
Footballguy
He's just playing at an entirely different level than anyone else out there. Graham makes tough catches, but Gronk makes tough catches, shrugs a tackle, tightropes the sideline, stiffarms another guy, and does some sort of crazy hurdle / shoulder charge into the endzone. And the best part is he's smiling the whole time. Love to watch this guy play!
PLUS the commentators tonight could not stop talking about how good his blocking was for the running game. A full contributor in every play. There's no fantasy points for good blocking, but if there were, Gronk would be even beastlier!
PLUS the commentators tonight could not stop talking about how good his blocking was for the running game. A full contributor in every play. There's no fantasy points for good blocking, but if there were, Gronk would be even beastlier!
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He's so awesome. Just need the clip of him blocking that defender into the 3rd row.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
You'd be hardpressed to find a run by a RB that good today, defenders grasping at air, at one point two defenders just flat out crash into each other where Gronk used to be. JimBrownesque.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Gronk is great but that was a really bad display of tackling by the Colts. No way in hell he should have scored there.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Twice last night he took a colts player by the head while trying to be tackled and tried to toss them while still upright and going out of bounds.
I was waiting for him to get a late hit while being the ball carrier... And I would have loved it.
I was waiting for him to get a late hit while being the ball carrier... And I would have loved it.
Banger
Footballguy
it was but he's like a caged tiger that's released...he runs with such strength and ferocity and it's not the first time he's had runs like that so to me it's more that Gronk is a special/insane player at the top of his game and he has this type of ability every time the ball is in his hands. he was basically swatting the guys away like they were annoying gnats.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Gronk taking Sergio Brown 20 yards across the field and planting him was like what happens when a toy poodle that finally gets the Rottweiler's attention.
VA703
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
It looks like he tries to pack him underneath that camera boom thing on the sideline.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I saw a screen shot of just him laying there somewhere else. Can't find the link, but it's fantastic.
Personally, I loved the last jump into the end zone. It reminded me of the time I hit a deer with my car. It came out of the woods, tried to stop my car and the force of the collision sent it flying back off the road into the woods. That DB made an attempt to keep him out of the end zone and just got run over.
I laugh at the "trade advice" earlier in the season telling me to trade him right as he was recovering because he won't have value.Dude...you are the one talking about trading him. Why the f would you trade him later in the season if he has fully recovered and is producing? What do you think you would get? By the middle of the season, many of the perceived studs have gone down to injury and people are holding onto the ones left like gold. I don't agree that you should trade a fully performing Gronk under any circumstances. I do feel it is a question as to whether he makes it all the way back for a variety of reasons. If you really want to trade him, now is the time. You could still get something good from an owner who has a surplus of rbs or wrs. After today, I would be scared as it is now three weeks of middling performances. I don't care what anybody says, he is not going in the 2nd or 3rd round if people really think he is going average 11 points per game in ppr.how does he have a trade value of zero? Why would trading him now when he is gettign outscored by all of the TE and how does he have more value now? How about we trade him later later when hes out of recovery mode. I don't think your method of selling low is the way to go here. No one wants to touch him now unless it's a bargain...
Any competent owner will certainly take the fact that he has a bye into account when trading...also if you want a 'stud' in return, the time to trade him is now. As of right now, he is getting outscored by almost all of the tes. A couple more games of this and his trade value will be zero because if you are not getting him to flex him, what is the point in owning him if you have a good te already?
He could still help your team at the end of the season, but you are delusional if you think a person will trade one of his studs in the middle of the season for a guy who is not performing like he usually does.
Why would anyone trade their stud if Gronks is performing at a subpar level at week 7? Of course not, but I'm banking on the fact that he will be in better shape at week 7 then he is now, so tell me again why would trading him now will have more value then trading him later? Are you somehow assuming he'll get injured while sitting on the bench recovering?
Ofc a good owner will take bye week that into account, but you only need one out of the other 10+ to accept, usually it's the guy with the underperforming t.e because you know, There's only 3 elite T.E and only two people in my league have them.
yeah of course he can help my team, just like any other studs. But I would rather trade for a stud that have an easier schedule then have one that have a mediocre one, wouldn't you agree?
edit: I am currently flexing him. I got him at his ADP to dry up the TE pool which worked somewhat as 1/3 of the TE drafted where drafted before their ADP by a round
Trade him this week.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
At least it wasn't a surgery. Those infection checks and root canals really take their tole.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Over his last 6 games, Rob Gronkowski has 40/587/6.
Over their last 6 games, Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas have 47/483/9. Combined.
Over their last 6 games, Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas have 47/483/9. Combined.
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Insoxicated
Faust
MVP
Gronk on his insane SNF block: 'I took [brown] and threw him out of the club'
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24817274/gronk-on-his-insane-snf-block-i-took-brown-and-threw-him-out-of-the-club
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24817274/gronk-on-his-insane-snf-block-i-took-brown-and-threw-him-out-of-the-club
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Gronk is obviously unstoppable, but the way he fights off tacklers has to worry Patriots fans as well as us Gronk owners. He is impossible to tackle high, so defenders are gonna go low on him as much as they can, and can his legs/knees stand up to another vicious low hit. I can't help but think it's only a matter of time again. But yeah, he is a man amongst boys out there when he is healthy.
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