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TE Rob Gronkowski, TB (1 Viewer)

ghostguy123 said:
jvdesigns2002 said:
I think it is almost pointless to try to establish exact fantasy "values" this far before the season. Of course, we can all try to play doctor and speculate--but who are we kidding here? The key is to look at the facts and the reality that we know. We know that Gronk is one of the best and most physical Tight ends in reality and of course fantasy. We also know that it is crucial that his forearm be healthy for him to perform at a high level. We are looking at possibly a likely 4th operation that according to professional medical reports--could very easily jeopardize availability for week 1. This also does not take into account that he is very likely to miss a lot or all of training camps. With that being said--- in what world does this not hurt his value at least a bit? It sure as heck doesn't raise his value. The key here is if this circumstance lowers his value enough to where some of us might be motivated to "buy" him. I personally won't draft him in the first round of redraft leagues as I think the risk outweighs the rewards there--but I would absolutely look at him in the 2nd/3rd rounds if he is still available.
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I look at it like this. For dynasty purposes, he probably has 10 years left in his career. So 160 games. Why on earth am I gonna lower his value even if he was guaranteed to miss a game or two??

Ok, so say I lower his value 1-2 %. Big deal, that is like nothing.

He will lose some actual value in redraft leagues, specifically total points leagues, but for dynasty purposes he loses maybe 1% of his value for me, which is esentially nothing.

Oh yeah, not to mention he may very well not miss any time at all. And this injury will not keep him from running and maintaining the fantastic shape he is in.
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I don't blame you for having that opinion. Dynasty leagues are obvsiously a different animal as opposed to redraft leagues. Losing a few games over potentially the next 5-10 years is far different than losing a few games in a 14 week fantasy season. For me, I play in redraft leagues--so the risk of drafting him very early is amplified by this news--but overall--I think we are on the same page.

 
The Comedian said:
Phenix said:
Seriously? Gronk over Quizz Thomas Finley and the Pick?
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Uhhh yes, Gronk is way more valuable than Finley, Jacquizz, and a 2nd round pick. It's not close.
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Notice you left out D. Thomas, lol.

Thomas and Gronk were equal in my eyes, now this, how is he worth more than Thomas?

But yes, leave out the main piece for one side in the trade.

I'll refrain from going on further about this deal, since this in not the thread for it.

 
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B-Deep said:
Does anyone know what injury it was that kept him out of the combine?
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As I remember it, Gronk was coming off of season ending back surgery. Whether that would be classified as upper back surgery or lower neck surgery is out of my pay grade.

 
B-Deep said:
Does anyone know what injury it was that kept him out of the combine?
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He had surgery to treat a herniated disc in his lumbar spine. There were reports that it may have been related to a spinal stenosis, but Gronkowski and Rosenhaus both said that wasn't accurate.

 
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The Comedian said:
Infections can happen in surgery. Any surgery. It's always a risk. Gronk is not "infection-prone." He's also not "broken-bone-prone" unless you think he lacks vitamin C in his diet or something. If you have any kind of fantasy chops, get ready to lap up the value.
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Didn't Brady have an infection after his knee injury/surgery? What kind of dirty hospital do the Pats send their guys to?

 
Bayhawks said:
The Comedian said:
Infections can happen in surgery. Any surgery. It's always a risk. Gronk is not "infection-prone." He's also not "broken-bone-prone" unless you think he lacks vitamin C in his diet or something. If you have any kind of fantasy chops, get ready to lap up the value.
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Didn't Brady have an infection after his knee injury/surgery? What kind of dirty hospital do the Pats send their guys to?
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Actually if I recall correctly, Brady went to a surgeon of his own choosing instead of the team recommended one, when he got that infection.

 
The Comedian said:
Bayhawks said:
The Comedian said:
Infections can happen in surgery. Any surgery. It's always a risk. Gronk is not "infection-prone." He's also not "broken-bone-prone" unless you think he lacks vitamin C in his diet or something. If you have any kind of fantasy chops, get ready to lap up the value.
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Didn't Brady have an infection after his knee injury/surgery? What kind of dirty hospital do the Pats send their guys to?
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Actually if I recall correctly, Brady went to a surgeon of his own choosing instead of the team recommended one, when he got that infection.
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that is correct and they were upset w/ him at the time

 
In a 1.5 PPR for TE league, easily Gronk over D. Thomas. I agree with Comedian, not close for me. Thomas is great, but it's a very easy decision. It's closer in leagues without the 1.5 PPR, but I still take Graham and Gronk both over Thomas.

And for all parties wondering, I do not own Gronk in ANY league I am in. I have been trying to buy him for top 10 overall value, can't do it. I will continue to try, but everyone who owns him seems to actually realize what his value is. Poor me I guess.

 
The Patriots have submitted an offer sheet on restricted free agent WR Emmanuel Sanders.

I'm reading this has something to do w/ the news of Gronk

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
KellysHeroes said:
The Patriots have submitted an offer sheet on restricted free agent WR Emmanuel Sanders. I'm reading this has something to do w/ the news of Gronk
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Highly doubt this has anything at all to do with Gronk.
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KellysHeroes said:
The Patriots have submitted an offer sheet on restricted free agent WR Emmanuel Sanders.

I'm reading this has something to do w/ the news of Gronk
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This move has been in the works for weeks, this is more about the replacement of Llyod then anything to do with Gronk.

Pats already have Gronk insurance in the form of Ballard.

 
1. Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is still a couple of weeks away from having a definitive answer as to whether he will need a fourth surgery on his left forearm, according to sources. The last month has been more of a “wait-and-see” period, with Gronkowski essentially buying more time for doctors to determine if the infection has cleared. Gronkowski has been working in the Patriots’ offseason program, and for what it’s worth, one opinion from someone who has seen him is that he “looks great.” A month ago, surgery was seen as “very likely” but there has always remained a chance that it could be avoided. At this point, there have been no unexpected setbacks; however, as Gronkowski has already learned, things can always change quickly.
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I'm still blown away how he got the injury. I know it could happen on any given play, but an extra point?!??! Couldn't you line up a bunch of practice squad players and convert an extra point? Why the flying f*** was Gronk out there blocking on an extra point??? I know! Let's put Brady out there for kickoff returns next year.

 
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meyerj31 said:
I'm still blown away how he got the injury. I know it could happen on any given play, but an extra point?!??! Couldn't you line up a bunch of practice squad players and convert an extra point? Why the flying f*** was Gronk out there blocking on an extra point??? I know! Let's put Brady out there for kickoff returns next year.
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An extra point in a blowout. I agree. That's just silly.

 
wdcrob said:
1. Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is still a couple of weeks away from having a definitive answer as to whether he will need a fourth surgery on his left forearm, according to sources. The last month has been more of a “wait-and-see” period, with Gronkowski essentially buying more time for doctors to determine if the infection has cleared. Gronkowski has been working in the Patriots’ offseason program, and for what it’s worth, one opinion from someone who has seen him is that he “looks great.” A month ago, surgery was seen as “very likely” but there has always remained a chance that it could be avoided. At this point, there have been no unexpected setbacks; however, as Gronkowski has already learned, things can always change quickly.
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Another surgery still to come? What a cluster, any medical opinions on what's happening to necessitate all these surgeries, and/or a possible timeframe for this to heal? I can't think of another player injury case quite like this one.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
wdcrob said:
1. Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is still a couple of weeks away from having a definitive answer as to whether he will need a fourth surgery on his left forearm, according to sources. The last month has been more of a “wait-and-see” period, with Gronkowski essentially buying more time for doctors to determine if the infection has cleared. Gronkowski has been working in the Patriots’ offseason program, and for what it’s worth, one opinion from someone who has seen him is that he “looks great.” A month ago, surgery was seen as “very likely” but there has always remained a chance that it could be avoided. At this point, there have been no unexpected setbacks; however, as Gronkowski has already learned, things can always change quickly.
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Another surgery still to come? What a cluster, any medical opinions on what's happening to necessitate all these surgeries, and/or a possible timeframe for this to heal? I can't think of another player injury case quite like this one.
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This is starting to remind me of Peyton Manning when he missed the entire season...

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Another surgery still to come? What a cluster, any medical opinions on what's happening to necessitate all these surgeries, and/or a possible timeframe for this to heal? I can't think of another player injury case quite like this one.
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This was fairly discussed to death before, but basically they're gonna check in a week or two. If he's still infected, they're going to need to carve out the dead bone/muscle and put in a new plate and he's back to multiple months of recovery. If they check and the antibiotics killed the infection, he's on the home stretch.

At this point we don't know anything other than these kinds of infections are sometimes really hard to get rid of, and we won't know more until they check in a couple weeks.

 
Azhais said:
Grace Under Pressure said:
Another surgery still to come? What a cluster, any medical opinions on what's happening to necessitate all these surgeries, and/or a possible timeframe for this to heal? I can't think of another player injury case quite like this one.
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This was fairly discussed to death before, but basically they're gonna check in a week or two. If he's still infected, they're going to need to carve out the dead bone/muscle and put in a new plate and he's back to multiple months of recovery. If they check and the antibiotics killed the infection, he's on the home stretch.

At this point we don't know anything other than these kinds of infections are sometimes really hard to get rid of, and we won't know more until they check in a couple weeks.
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Thanks for the Cliff's notes. Unbelievable.

 
kutta said:
meyerj31 said:
I'm still blown away how he got the injury. I know it could happen on any given play, but an extra point?!??! Couldn't you line up a bunch of practice squad players and convert an extra point? Why the flying f*** was Gronk out there blocking on an extra point??? I know! Let's put Brady out there for kickoff returns next year.
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An extra point in a blowout. I agree. That's just silly.
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BB is a genius you know, except when he isn't.

 
kutta said:
meyerj31 said:
I'm still blown away how he got the injury. I know it could happen on any given play, but an extra point?!??! Couldn't you line up a bunch of practice squad players and convert an extra point? Why the flying f*** was Gronk out there blocking on an extra point??? I know! Let's put Brady out there for kickoff returns next year.
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An extra point in a blowout. I agree. That's just silly.
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We already went through this. NFL teams do not have a "backup" extra point team. Every NFL team has starters in for extra points. The odds of getting hurt on this kind of play are 1 in a billion (I've done the math).

 
The Comedian said:
kutta said:
meyerj31 said:
I'm still blown away how he got the injury. I know it could happen on any given play, but an extra point?!??! Couldn't you line up a bunch of practice squad players and convert an extra point? Why the flying f*** was Gronk out there blocking on an extra point??? I know! Let's put Brady out there for kickoff returns next year.
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An extra point in a blowout. I agree. That's just silly.
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We already went through this. NFL teams do not have a "backup" extra point team. Every NFL team has starters in for extra points. The odds of getting hurt on this kind of play are 1 in a billion (I've done the math).
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When you say starters, you mean special team starters right? I find it hard to believe the starting center, guard, and tackles are in there blocking extra points. In fact, I know that can't be true because the designated long snapper on punts, field goals, and extra points is definitely not the center. There are also no WR or RB in there, either. I could see a few backup TEs blocking the edge, which was the case with Gronk, but most TEs in the league aren't franchise players. Using a franchise player like that is ridiculous. There's also no way the odds are 1 in a billion. There haven't been a billion extra points in real NFL play and Gronk certainly isn't the first guy to get injured on such a play. Perhaps the number is more like 1 in 5,000, so still very rare, but not the type of unnecessary risk for which you subject a franchise player.
 
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meyerj31 said:
When you say starters, you mean special team starters right? I find it hard to believe the starting center, guard, and tackles are in there blocking extra points. In fact, I know that can't be true because the designated long snapper on punts, field goals, and extra points is definitely not the center. There are also no WR or RB in there, either. I could see a few backup TEs blocking the edge, which was the case with Gronk, but most TEs in the league aren't franchise players. Using a franchise player like that is ridiculous. There's also no way the odds are 1 in a billion. There haven't been a billion extra points in real NFL play and Gronk certainly isn't the first guy to get injured on such a play. Perhaps the number is more like 1 in 5,000, so still very rare, but not the type of unnecessary risk for which you subject a franchise player.
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It's not likely that the starting center is snapping on PATs, as there is usually a designated long-snapper for those situations. However, the other O-linemen usually stay in.

Consider that there are 46 game day roster spots. Take 3 of them for ST specialists (kicker, punter, & long-snapper). That leaves 43. Take 18 for defense (which I think is a low estimate). That leaves 25. 3 for QB spots. That leaves 22. 10 for RB and WR (counting FB & kick returners). That leaves 12. 3 for TE. That leaves 9 for O-line.

On PATs, most teams will replace the skill position players, but you need 9 blockers on a PAT, and you don't want a back-up G or T trying to block a safety or CB off the edge. I understand it's "only 1 point," but if you give points away in the NFL, you might as well get your resume ready, because you'll be interviewing for jobs soon. It makes sense to have your best blocking TE on the PAT unit.

And, I say this while LOATHING Bill Belichick.

 
Bayhawks said:
meyerj31 said:
When you say starters, you mean special team starters right? I find it hard to believe the starting center, guard, and tackles are in there blocking extra points. In fact, I know that can't be true because the designated long snapper on punts, field goals, and extra points is definitely not the center. There are also no WR or RB in there, either. I could see a few backup TEs blocking the edge, which was the case with Gronk, but most TEs in the league aren't franchise players. Using a franchise player like that is ridiculous. There's also no way the odds are 1 in a billion. There haven't been a billion extra points in real NFL play and Gronk certainly isn't the first guy to get injured on such a play. Perhaps the number is more like 1 in 5,000, so still very rare, but not the type of unnecessary risk for which you subject a franchise player.
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It's not likely that the starting center is snapping on PATs, as there is usually a designated long-snapper for those situations. However, the other O-linemen usually stay in.

Consider that there are 46 game day roster spots. Take 3 of them for ST specialists (kicker, punter, & long-snapper). That leaves 43. Take 18 for defense (which I think is a low estimate). That leaves 25. 3 for QB spots. That leaves 22. 10 for RB and WR (counting FB & kick returners). That leaves 12. 3 for TE. That leaves 9 for O-line.

On PATs, most teams will replace the skill position players, but you need 9 blockers on a PAT, and you don't want a back-up G or T trying to block a safety or CB off the edge. I understand it's "only 1 point," but if you give points away in the NFL, you might as well get your resume ready, because you'll be interviewing for jobs soon. It makes sense to have your best blocking TE on the PAT unit.

And, I say this while LOATHING Bill Belichick.
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Believe it or not, defensive players are capable of blocking for a few seconds a few times a game. There have to be some backup LBs, DBs, safeties, or athletic DEs that could block those guys as well, all of whom are probably making 1/10th of what Gronk makes as well as being less important overall to the team than Gronk.

 
If anyone has ever had a deep tissue infection then you know that football would be the last thing on your mind. Right now with that infection lingering their has to be some real concern of damage to the muscles and tendons of the forearm. Strep or staph can literally destroy muscles and tendons.

 
wdcrob said:
Bamac said:
Phenix said:
A source tells the Boston Herald that Rob Gronkowski will indeed need a fourth operation on his forearm.

Source: Boston Herald
May 8 - 10:24 AM
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This all makes sense.
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Isn't this what was reported all along? That they needed to replace the plate but wanted to see if the infection cleared up before the did it?
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About a month ago, reports were that Gronk may need another surgery if the infection persisted or the fracture hadn't healed.

ETA: see, for example, http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=848330-patriots---another-surgery-for-rob-gronkowski-not-a-certainty

 
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wdcrob said:
Bamac said:
Phenix said:
A source tells the Boston Herald that Rob Gronkowski will indeed need a fourth operation on his forearm.

Source: Boston Herald
May 8 - 10:24 AM
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This all makes sense.
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Isn't this what was reported all along? That they needed to replace the plate but wanted to see if the infection cleared up before the did it?
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Pretty much. Antibotics -> surgery was the expected progression. But there were other possibilities:

1) The worst case scenario, where the antibiotics didn't clear out the infection. In that case, he'd either have to do another course of antibiotics (delaying surgery), or have an additional operation to remove the infected tissue (which would delay his final surgery even more).

2) The best case scenario, where the antibiotics worked, and his bone healed so well during the 6 week waiting period that the doctors decided he didn't need to have a plate reinserted. In that case, he'd certainly be ready for training camp. Now he has to recover from this latest operation, making his availability for training camp/preseason/opening day uncertain.

 
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Surgery #4 is next week

New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is scheduled to undergo a fourth surgery on his left forearm next week, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The exact date of the surgery is not yet set.Gronkowski brought in noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews to consult on the surgery. It will be performed by Dr. Jesse Jupiter of Massachusetts General Hospital. Jupiter specializes in the care of traumatic and reconstructive problems of the upper limb, including fracture healing and failure to heal.The fourth surgery had been considered "very likely" since Gronkowski sustained an infection in the left forearm earlier this year.Assuming the infection has been eradicated, the fourth surgery would replace the plate in Gronkowski's forearm, and the estimate for a recovery would be about 10 weeks, sources previously told ESPNBoston.com. The 10-week estimate would put Gronkowski's return around the start of training camp.Gronkowski originally broke the arm Nov. 18 in a game against the Indianapolis Colts. He returned to action on Dec. 30 in the regular-season finale, then broke the forearm again in the AFC divisional round of the playoffs on Jan. 13 against the Houston Texans.
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was going to make a booze and whore joke but this seems very concerning. is his career or an entire arm in jeopardy?

 
cvnpoka said:
was going to make a booze and whore joke but this seems very concerning. is his career or an entire arm in jeopardy?
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Neither...he will be fine, already this went this process, the biggest thing is the infection. ( side note when you cut yourself make sure you put something on it)

 
citsalp said:
cvnpoka said:
was going to make a booze and whore joke but this seems very concerning. is his career or an entire arm in jeopardy?
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Neither...he will be fine, already this went this process, the biggest thing is the infection. ( side note when you cut yourself make sure you put something on it)
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infection is the only thing. thats like a huge deal. thats how ppl lose limbs.

 
cvnpoka said:
citsalp said:
cvnpoka said:
was going to make a booze and whore joke but this seems very concerning. is his career or an entire arm in jeopardy?
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Neither...he will be fine, already this went this process, the biggest thing is the infection. ( side note when you cut yourself make sure you put something on it)
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infection is the only thing. thats like a huge deal. thats how ppl lose limbs.
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Anyone remember LeCharles Bentley?

Bentley suffered a serious knee injury in training camp on July 27, 2006, during the first play on the first 11 on 11 training camp session. He tore his patellar tendon, an injury that kept him out for the entire 2006 season. Bentley revealed that he had undergone four operations since getting hurt, the final two to clean out a staph infection that ate away at his tendon and a virus that became so severe that doctors considered amputating his leg.[4]
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Surgery #4 is next week

New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is scheduled to undergo a fourth surgery on his left forearm next week, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The exact date of the surgery is not yet set.Gronkowski brought in noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews to consult on the surgery. It will be performed by Dr. Jesse Jupiter of Massachusetts General Hospital. Jupiter specializes in the care of traumatic and reconstructive problems of the upper limb, including fracture healing and failure to heal.The fourth surgery had been considered "very likely" since Gronkowski sustained an infection in the left forearm earlier this year.Assuming the infection has been eradicated, the fourth surgery would replace the plate in Gronkowski's forearm, and the estimate for a recovery would be about 10 weeks, sources previously told ESPNBoston.com. The 10-week estimate would put Gronkowski's return around the start of training camp.Gronkowski originally broke the arm Nov. 18 in a game against the Indianapolis Colts. He returned to action on Dec. 30 in the regular-season finale, then broke the forearm again in the AFC divisional round of the playoffs on Jan. 13 against the Houston Texans.
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Thread title needs an update.

 
Is this even news?? We knew the 4th surgery was coming. I think the actual news will come after this surgery when we know if he will need a 5th.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
ghostguy123 said:
Is this even news?? We knew the 4th surgery was coming. I think the actual news will come after this surgery when we know if he will need a 5th.
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I'm putting the O/U on games played this season at 10
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Ok. Not sure why you had to quote me for that, but whatever works for ya

Point is, we have known for some time he was going to have this surgery, and now that it is coming up next week people seem to think it's some kind of setback that just popped up the past day or two. It's not, it's been scheduled.

No real news coming here till after the surgery next week.

 
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The timing is news. By having surgery next week, he *should* be back for training camp, if everything goes right.
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But that was always the case. This surgery was expected, and if it goes well he'll be back in time for camp.

It's what they find when they go in that could be problematic. If they find infection and have to delay the plate replacement training camp is out and Week 1 becomes a question mark (even assuming no further trouble).

 
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