Which part do you dispute?Can you link some of those "facts" you claimed.
Oh, he hasn't really foolowed the issue so he can't really say but there is that one niggling unicorn with faerie dust on it that tells him it's gonna be alright, Trump really nailed it, hard.Which part do you dispute?
This was, by what has already been posted, a liquid fueled test site. Fact.
Fact...NK already has functional missles. Do you dispute that?
NK has tested solid fuel weapons. Another fact.
As posted already...they have not denuclearized and are wanting more to do so.
What is it you dispute?
As part of the talks NK wanted money to pay for the hotel. Maybe he wants to stay at the Ritz again?“Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications...” “demanded more money” “more”
The sanctions are still in place. And I'm not sure how he's allowing free reign more than has been the case for the last decade. You're gonna have to show your work there, as that one is a honker (i.e. if you were in Russia you'd be fined).I'm trying to imagine an alternate reality where a former hostage dies while Obama is president, and instead of attacking the country or instituting crippling sanctions, he submissively flies to them to meet with their leader, then praises him as strong, talented and honorable, then gets virtually nothing in writing, then lies about getting back the remains of dead soldiers, then allows North Korea to basically have free reign with their nuke program without any type of formal observation.
That's pretty much "Red Alert" conditions for conservatives. Congress would be holding hearings and demanding investigations on a daily basis.
That’s NYP, not NYT, but anyway here’s the source report.So apparently we are starting to get some of the US soldiers' remains back tomorrow. I'm sure you guys will be happy about this(You won't be because Trump)
NYT
Uh yes I’d consider that an item of progress. I haven’t read the story about the dismantling of the site yet but that sounds promising. There are a lot of problems after that needless to say.So if this ends up being confirmed as US soldier remains will you guys consider this progress with NK? Dismantling sites and no testing wasn't considered progress so I'm just trying to gauge here.
So you went from calling out Trump based on the remains not being delivered to saying you don't GAF about the remains of US soldiers'. Classy as always.Matthias said:How much are the bones of long-dead US soldiers worth? How much do they cost NK to give up? How likely is it that they're legit? Do you think the Trump Administration is going to DNA test them?
I really don't GAF.
Long AP article from 2016 with some recent history of remains recovery.Matthias said:How much are the bones of long-dead US soldiers worth? How much do they cost NK to give up? How likely is it that they're legit? Do you think the Trump Administration is going to DNA test them?
I really don't GAF.
So you didn't even read the article? Sounds about right. Let me help you though.Matthias said:Bones which might be American soldiers. Might be foreign soldiers. Might be Korean locals. Might be animals. They've done this in the past and the North Koreans aren't the most good-faith dealers. And even if they are American soldiers, who knows who they were.
From a dealmaking standpoint, there's large arbitrage here. What value do the North Koreans put on these bones? Nothing. Other than their bargain value. They have no use for bones. So what sort of value should the US have to pay to get them back? From an economist POV, the Koreans should accept anything more than $1 for them since $1 has more value to them than the remains do. They'll hold out for more, because they view it as we'll pay for more. But there's still a rather low limit at which a good dealmaker would negotiate their return. And frankly I'd rather that we bargained for things that help people right now. To reduce the threat of nuclear weapons right now. To make the world safer right now.
But hey, slap a label on it. Call it a US soldier. Wrap it in a flag. And let people cheer on a "victory" no matter what it cost us or how much we did, or would have had to, give up.
Hard truths aren't always easy to swallow. That's what makes them hard truths versus happy propaganda.
Yes, this would be a good thing for closure and a step in the right directionSo if this ends up being confirmed as US soldier remains will you guys consider this progress with NK? Dismantling sites and no testing wasn't considered progress so I'm just trying to gauge here.
It will be confirmed as US soldiers.Yes, this would be a good thing for closure and a step in the right direction
How does it feel to be wrong all the time?Matthias said:Trump would be fine with 200 bags of rocks. He doesn't care about remains. Just something which he could declare a "win".
Why do we have to measure their worth? They both seem important.Matthias said:What's worth more? The remains of 200 soldiers or 1 live child? How much did we give for supposedly getting the former? How many would it save of the latter?
I’ll say it. If these are “remains” meaning the bodies or pieces thereof of US soldiers who died during the Korean War I will gladly say I was wrong and be genuinely puzzled how they were kept.So you went from calling out Trump based on the remains not being delivered to saying you don't GAF about the remains of US soldiers'. Classy as always.
You have definitely made it clear that you don't think any remains still exist. We will have to see. Yes the families will gladly take the personal effects if that is all that is left.I’ll say it. If these are “remains” meaning the bodies or pieces thereof of US soldiers who died during the Korean War I will gladly say I was wrong and be genuinely puzzled how they were kept.
If it’s a bunch of boxes full of personal effects like uniforms and lighters, that isn’t really something that gets me really excited, though surviving family will no doubt be glad to get them back.
Of course. As would I if it were one of my relatives.You have definitely made it clear that you don't think any remains still exist. We will have to see. Yes the families will gladly take the personal effects if that is all that is left.
They turned over 55 boxes. They claim to have 200. They want things in return.I'm pleasantly surprised at this turn of events. Why would the Norks turn these remains (or whatever is in the boxes) over now?
Regardless it is progress. Also, about the remains...You don't consider bones remains? Those should not have decomposed yet.They turned over 55 boxes. They claim to have 200. They want things in return.
More from when? From the first time when Clinton brought some home?-and now more remains of fallen War vets
Please go tell this riveting story to the families who want the remains back. Record it as well please.Matthias said:A bit surprising. I actually feel the reverse. One of my grandmothers I'd play board games with as a kid. And when she died, I took her Scrabble board. (I also wanted her cookie jar, which she always kept stocked, but that went missing before I showed up). My other grandmother always had a little stiching of, "Uff Da" (Norwegian version of Oy Vey) hanging in her house and out of her belongings, I took that and hang up wherever I move to. Those mean a whole lot more to me than where their caskets are buried.
Is it three, or two? I think I have read about two.-3+ dismantled nuke test facilities
-dismantling of the Propaganda Speakers on the DMZ
Master negotiator...playing politics with another lyingbregime over possible US remainsThey turned over 55 boxes. They claim to have 200. They want things in return.
Not a good day for Trump haters lol.Master negotiator...playing politics with another lyingbregime over possible US remains
Fwiw:More from when? From the first time when Clinton brought some home?-and now more remains of fallen War vets
It's not a first, but honestly that doesn't matter. Hopefully they prove to be genuine. Though again Trump aside it's somewhat creepy that NK must be holding these in boxes to be dolled out for cash or whatever it is they demand for them. I'm sure they have much more.North Korea has already handed back the remains of 340 soldiers since 1990, transporting them via the demilitarized zone.
What if we're going kayaking with our sexy girlfriends?Not a good day for Trump haters lol.
I would say enjoy.What if we're going kayaking with our sexy girlfriends?
X2We need a title change @timschochet
for a guy that has "blown it" with North Korea, Trump sure is getting a lot of concessions:
-3+ dismantled nuke test facilities
-dismantling of the Propaganda Speakers on the DMZ
-and now more remains of fallen War vets
All while keeping US Sanctions on NK and leaving troops and supplies in SK.
If that's blown then sign me up.
In 60 years in a jungle with an average 60% humidity? Yes, they should have. We've gotten remains back from Vietnam where the only remaining human dna from a grave was in a small piece of a jawbone.Regardless it is progress. Also, about the remains...You don't consider bones remains? Those should not have decomposed yet.
Just an observation: live in the anti-MSM, anti-facts world, wither in the anti-MSM, anti-facts world. It's really Trump followers who should be posting this information. I think you posted something from NYPost, but claimed it was from the Times but it wasn't, and I posted the actual news source. If you do that sort of thing it undercuts your points, that's all.Man it's like a ghost town in here today.
North Korea Has Handed Over The Remains Of US Soldiers Killed In The Korean War
The Pentagon said 55 cases of remains were transferred from North Korea to the US and departed on a US military plane.
...North Korean officials handed over 55 cases of remains to the US, a Pentagon spokesperson told BuzzFeed News. The plane later arrived at Osan Air Base in South Korea where a formal repatriation ceremony will be held on Aug. 1.
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According to the Pentagon, Pyongyang had indicated for a while that it has the remains of 200 of US service members — a number that Trump cited over a month ago when he falsely claimed that the remains had already been sent back.
Between 1990 and 1994, the US recovered the remains of as many as 400 people in North Korea. North Korea returned 229 caskets with remains of US soldiers between 1990 and 2005, according to Defense Department data. The last time North Korea handed over remains was in 2007, when Bill Richardson, a former UN ambassador and then-New Mexico governor, secured the return of six cases.
Many of the caskets transferred in the past contained “comingled” remains, according to the DPAA, meaning that they also contained remains of persons of other nationalities. More than 36,000 US troops died in the war from 1950 to 1953.
It’s sad that these soldiers are used as pawns in political games by NK and others...and are used to “spike the football” to want to cheer look at Trump did.It's also sad but I suppose notable that 400 people came back in 229 caskets previously. Grotesque.
The horrific thing is I suspect the Norks know where our (and others') soldiers are buried and they have almost a limitless supply of graves to go dig up in exchange for cash, or concessions or whatever.It’s sad that these soldiers are used as pawns in political games by NK and others...and are used to “spike the football” to want to cheer look at Trump did.
Well you were signed up a while ago so you being impressed doesn’t impress me.We need a title change @timschochet
for a guy that has "blown it" with North Korea, Trump sure is getting a lot of concessions:
-3+ dismantled nuke test facilities
-dismantling of the Propaganda Speakers on the DMZ
-and now more remains of fallen War vets
All while keeping US Sanctions on NK and leaving troops and supplies in SK.
If that's blown then sign me up.
Sad how little you care about fallen soldiers. You should take a step back and reevaluate.Matthias said:Hey. Trump got something which there was no reason the other side had any reason to care about giving it up, the only value is emotional, and he can declare the victory without any regard as to whether it actually is or not, since it will take years to determine.
This is like the best thing that they can promote all year.
Nice click bait title.From the Washington freaking Examiner
Trump may have been played by North Korea on MIA soldier remains
Go quickly. Those parents of Korean War soldiers aren't getting any younger.Please go tell this riveting story to the families who want the remains back. Record it as well please.
What? Are you denying American Soldiers died in Korea?Go quickly. Those parents of Korean War soldiers aren't getting any younger.
He's making a reference to Trump's frequent lie about talking to parents of Korean war veterans.What? Are you denying American Soldiers died in Korea?Go quickly. Those parents of Korean War soldiers aren't getting any younger.