Miller might very well fall on his face, as a Phil's fan and Miller owner I'm concerned about his ability to break tackles and pick up tough yards, but Daniel Thomas is terrible. Not only is he terrible, he's injury prone. He is better suited for every down duties if you want a back that gives you 3 yards a pop with limited upside. I'll come in here and eat crow if he's a relevant fantasy player, but outside of being a goal line vulture I can't see it happening.
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Lamar Miller, 2016, Infinity and beyond (2 Viewers)
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msudaisy26
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I agree that Miller could fall flat on his face, but Thomas is horrible. If Thomas is the lead at the end, I am going to guess that the Dolphins are in the Jadeveon Clowney sweepstakes.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
How in the world is this possible? I have Thomas in a dynasty and would love to say he is better than any other #2 back in the NFL but I can't. He is absolutely horrible. No idea what you are looking at.
ultramattman
Footballguy
Miller fell all the way to the 8th round before I scooped him up in a draft I had today. I just refuse to believe Daniel Thomas is a threat for playing time. 2nd-year RB's are often the best bargains in the draft.
Chaka
Footballguy
Four against Buffalo and New England look nice. Add in Atlanta, Indy, New Orleans, TB, SD and Car and it does shape up to be a nice schedule on paper. Unfortunately you can expect Atlanta and New Orleans to force Miami into passing mode early so that will likely limit Lamar. Still it looks like he doesn't have that many tough outs on paper.SameSongNDance said:
Grahamburn
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Chaka said:
I know about some information that may tells us more than what you cite. How about the fact that he beat out dthomas this year and the coaching staff refrained from bringing in any sort of competition lining him up for a full workload and 3 down responsibilities.Coeur de Lion said:
Chaka
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Nero
Footballguy
kind of hard for a highlight video to look bad.
I put a lot more trust in
Lamar Miller vs Ohio St, vs Boston College, vs Maryland, vs Virginia Tech
and compare it to
Daniel Thomas vs Nebraska, vs Iowa St.
Its their college tape, but I think you get a truer sense of what they are when you see every run from the game. Running is instinctive, so I don't think they change much once they get on the pro level.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So how did Miller look in those college games?
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SameSongNDance
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The thing is that video represented at least 50% of his touches last year. I was mistaken to assume it was all 57 touches on the ball but after re-watching the video, I counted around 30 different touches.
It's less of a highlight video and more of just a recap of his 2012 season. I found it pretty beneficial at least.
Bigboy10182000
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LOL I'll take 2 years of NFL tape over his college tape.
Instincts don't change, but the defenses do. He's shown he hasn't been able to get it done at this level and I don't see that changing. Not only that but Miller put up better #'s playing in a tougher conference in college. I just don't see up to this point how Thomas will be better than Miller barring injury.
this video is worth watching, it was posted earlier by someone else http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7khPECxIbxY i can away impressed with his patience and ability to explode through holes.
for what it's worth this thread should be locked until after week 1, there is nothing new to discuss until they actually play
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ItsOnlytheRiver
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werdnoynek
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I wasn't a huge Miller fan coming out but I've grabbed him in the 4th round (drafting from the 10th slot and the 6th slot) in 2 of my regular redraft leagues (one PPR and one non) as RB3 on both teams. I wanted to have 3 RB's on my team after 4 rounds and kept seeing him there in the 4th and couldn't pass up the value. I see him as an RB2 with RB1 upside this year in Miami. Getting him as my RB3 had me extremely happy at the start of both these drafts.
Bigboy10182000
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MCguidance
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Good point, but doesn't he have the easiest SOS for RBs? Just something to think about.Chaka said:
Chaka
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We touched on that in a later post. It's true, no doubt, that his schedule looks good on paper but they don't play games on paper.
First thought it was a highlight of his game vs. the Raiders...then saw other decent defenses he ran well against later in the vid.
Chaka
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Lamar Miller owners can sleep easier tonight. As expected, he was named the starter for game 1. He could be pulled in GL situations, but otherwise there is no reason to play Thomas, IMO. As stated in the article, Miller graded out equal to Thomas as pass protector.
jurb26
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Does it appear that Miller is a 3 down back at this point? How many of those can you name off the top of your head?
Adrian
McCoy
Charles
Martin
Bush
CJ
Forte
Lacy
Wilson
Spiller
Trent
Adrian
McCoy
Charles
Martin
Bush
CJ
Forte
Lacy
Wilson
Spiller
Trent
jurb26
Footballguy
Lacy is not a 3 down back. Wilson may not be as well.
Sabertooth
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I didn't see where it said somebody was the third down back. I could definitely see Lacy getting work on third downs.
jurb26
Footballguy
He's not listed as the starter, though. Hard to say he's a 3 down guy given that IMO.
Did you guys come away impressed after that one? I found myself thinking, yeah, I guess he might be a 4th round talent. Aside from that one stumbling run that they kept showing again and again, he had very little yards after contact.
I went ahead and watched Thomas vs. Nebraska for the hell of it and I came away pretty impressed with his hands. Aside from one out of reach pass and a bizarre pitch from the QB the guy looked like he had glue on his gloves. He also moved the pile pretty well.
I don't think Thomas will unseat Miller after losing the training camp battle, but I'd be interested to see what he can do if Miller were to miss time or get benched for fumbling or missed blocks or something.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
maybe but back to Miller, I don't really see anyone as a threat to Him on third downs or goal line. It's his ball to run with IMO
Khy
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This is what I kept saying in the Lamar Miller vs David WIlson thread from earlier in the off-season. I watched like 5-10 full game highlight reels on him from college and the other video of every single snap he took last season and afterwards all I can think is this:
- He doesn't cut, literally he has no moves at all he runs around people
- He has no power at all, besides the one long run against Ohio State where he 'breaks' an arm tackle that is pretty much 2 fingers grazing his leg. He doesn't break a single tackle.
- No YAC, he gets hit, he goes down.
- Fast, but not elite acceleration.
I keep hearing people say him and David Wilson are almost the same talents and I just don't see it at all... I'm not impressed with Miller in the slightest way. All his 'big runs' are on plays where he isn't touched, he doesn't seem to create his own runs. It's either perfect blocking that he's able to use his speed to get passed people. Otherwise, he just runs straight into defenders and falls down.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No YAC? Not even one from like spinning or having the pile pushed by a lineman?
jurb26
Footballguy
Yeah, those statements are just as ridiculous now as they were then.
Khy
Footballguy
Sure, he randomly falls forward for a yard or two. He doesn't really break runs after contact though. I'm not saying 100% Miller isn't a top talent, I just don't see what all the hypes about when I watch his videos. He seems like an average 4th round talent when I watch him run. Who only possesses elite-ish speed.Yeah, those statements are just as ridiculous now as they were then.
jurb26
Footballguy
So I guess you never saw the Vtech game. Or the BC game. In the end it doesn't really matter. We are going to see what he's got in the NFl starting 5 days from now.Sure, he randomly falls forward for a yard or two. He doesn't really break runs after contact though. I'm not saying 100% Miller isn't a top talent, I just don't see what all the hypes about when I watch his videos. He seems like an average 4th round talent when I watch him run. Who only possesses elite-ish speed.Yeah, those statements are just as ridiculous now as they were then.
Exactly...lets quit the back and forth like little girls and lets enjoy watching the Lamar miller story unfold in front of our very eyes starting this Sunday. No need to keep guessing...at this point you either drafted him or you didn't based on your opinions. Now the truth shall set us all freeSo I guess you never saw the Vtech game. Or the BC game. In the end it doesn't really matter. We are going to see what he's got in the NFl starting 5 days from now.Sure, he randomly falls forward for a yard or two. He doesn't really break runs after contact though. I'm not saying 100% Miller isn't a top talent, I just don't see what all the hypes about when I watch his videos. He seems like an average 4th round talent when I watch him run. Who only possesses elite-ish speed.Yeah, those statements are just as ridiculous now as they were then.
Hoot McGoot
Footballguy
Grabbed him 5th round 3rd pick, I'm not disappointed. Came away with Charles, AjGreen, Sproles, Gronk, Miller in a 12 team .5ppr league.
smapdi
Footballguy
I was able to get Miller in the 6th round of a 10 team PPR draft last night.
I had the 7th pick so I decided to load up on elite WR talent instead of picking at the bone of RB's. Miller was too good to let him slide any further. Anytime you can get a starter that late, you shouldn't pass it up.
I'm going to roll with him as my RB2 week 1. This league has some nice bonuses for long TD's so hopefully his speed shines thru and he can go for a 40+ yard TD.
I had the 7th pick so I decided to load up on elite WR talent instead of picking at the bone of RB's. Miller was too good to let him slide any further. Anytime you can get a starter that late, you shouldn't pass it up.
I'm going to roll with him as my RB2 week 1. This league has some nice bonuses for long TD's so hopefully his speed shines thru and he can go for a 40+ yard TD.
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Concept Coop
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Are you basing that on his whopping 27 career receptions in the NFL in 2 years for Thomas? How is Thomas "much better as a receiver" when he's caught 15 and 12 balls in his 2 seasons in the NFL? And no, he wasn't some prolific pass catching back in college either as he only averaged 25 rec/season there too.
Art Vandalay
Footballguy
Just because players are given the chance to catch the ball is stupid to say they cant catch the ball. The average Joe can catch a 5 year screen pass. Being a good pass catching back is overrated unless you are lining up in the slot. That being said being in the game on 3rd down increases your chance to catch passes which is a role that they are leaning toward DT at this time.
Gore only caught 28 passes last year, it doesn't mean they cant catch always, especially when Reggie Bush is the other back, who are you going to pass too.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here and whether or not it's addressed to me. If it is, my response was to the statement that D. Thomas is a much better receiver. Where is that statement coming from? It's not as if he's been a prolific pass catcher so it's gotta come from somewhere. Is Miller terrible at it? Is Thomas great at it but then somehow not used in the passing game? Is there something I'm completely missing that makes that statement true?Art Vandalay said:
bb7278
Footballguy
All this D. Thomas love from the MIA coaches prompted me to add D. Thomas to back up L. Miller.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
bb7278
Footballguy
He's my RB5, and the 15th and last roster spot, I'm sure I'll end up cutting bait on D. Thomas if things go the way it is anticipated going.
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