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RB Giovani Bernard, TB (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Kleck
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Footballguy
Agree. I wasn't high on Gio, with Burrow at QB. Now you want Perine with Brandon Allen? I'll pass.
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Footballguy
If you saw my injury-riddled squad, you would realize that any starting warm body at RB is a potential gem.
Faust
MVP
Yes but it's Perine getting all the touches. Not Gio splitting touches.
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Footballguy
Strangely enough, it is being reported that he developed symptoms Wednesday after a brief phone conversation with D'Andre Swift.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Dynasty I am trying to trade him away while he has some to little value. I do not need him for may playoff run so may try and deal him to a rb needy playoff bubble team for a chance that Leveon Bell of some other upside flier.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Very small sample size but Brandon Allen completed exactly 0 passes to RBs in his 3 starts foe Denver (though the Bengals don't have a TE as talented as Fant who got a bunch).
But obv if you are looking to start Gio you probably cannot worry about such things at this point.
-QG
But obv if you are looking to start Gio you probably cannot worry about such things at this point.
-QG
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Footballguy
Holding, but gonna watch him from the bench this week in favor of Gallman and Brian Hill.
Am hoping he has a great game and reestablishes himself as the man going forward. His schedule the next few is sweet.
Am hoping he has a great game and reestablishes himself as the man going forward. His schedule the next few is sweet.
whole-show
Footballguy
Officially active week 12
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I think they said out on ESPN, but I am wondering if it was a mistake.
The Frankman
Footballguy
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Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Is this guy droppable now in a standard (non ppr) league?
The first few fill in weeks for Mixon were great. But Gio has regressed and this offense is just a dumpster fire without Burrow. I know RBs are tough to come by, but would anyone feel remotely comfortable starting this guy in the playoffs going forward?
The first few fill in weeks for Mixon were great. But Gio has regressed and this offense is just a dumpster fire without Burrow. I know RBs are tough to come by, but would anyone feel remotely comfortable starting this guy in the playoffs going forward?
I'm in a league with two flex positions so for me, he's potentially flex worthy.
The matchup isn't bad against Miami this weekend...especially if Tua somehow plays. Also, Perine was nowhere to be found yesterday which was a bit of a surprise.
Would I expect much? Nope. But if I could squeeze out 10 PPR points it may make do.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Basically expectation needs to be that or an average back on a team that struggles to move the ball. Allen may get more comfortable playing and better timing may help - but the game scripts just look bad. 5 total targets to RBs - Allen just doesn't use them a lot. My quick scans shows 3 third and short situations. One a Gio run for the first, one Allen run for a first, one incompletion - a little small sample size but I don't think they pull him at the goal line necessarily but will they ever get down there?
Hey he's starting is the sum of the appeal.
-QG
Hey he's starting is the sum of the appeal.
-QG
The Frankman
Footballguy
Kleck hasn't visited in a year so doubt this thread title ever gets fixed
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The Frankman
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
Bengals: "Multiple teams called about Gio."
Rest of the league: "No they didn't."
Bengals: " No... No they didn't... But you can imagine what it'd be like if they did, amirite?!"
nittanylion
Footballguy
Long-time fan of Bernard, so my opinion may carry bias, but a change of scenery will be beneficial, I think. Schefter quote: 'clear signs of decline'...I don't think that's a accurate portrayal at all. I think he has a lot left, and under the right circumstances, can generate some very respectable stats.
Also, given that he's a high-character guy, who carries weight with the city, fans and team, and around the League, I think his release was largely procedural fallout of the business side of the NFL. I have no doubt the Bengals 1st priority was too keep him around, at their optimal cap niche. They asked him to take a pay cut, which they had to do; he declined, which he had every reason to do; and based on his standing with the Team, they did him a solid by allowing him the ability to choose his next destination. I absolutely believe multiple Teams inquired about his availability. I also believe talks never evolved into actual offers, because of the circumstances I've attempted to illustrate above. Not all negotiations between teams are cat-and-mouse. He's one of those rare players who deserves the opportunity to 'go get his'. I'm sure that was all out on the table with inquiring Teams - 'unless you're going to blow us away, which you're not, make him your best offer, not us.'
He's not going to be bowing and scraping for crumbs. He's going to get muliple offers, and sign a solid deal, when the dust settles, I think. It's likely a little late in the game for him (RB) to sign a one-year, 'prove it', and hit the market again next year looking for a bigger deal, but you never know. I think Teams value him enough to make him a 2-year offer, one of which he'll take.
I'm very excited to see him in a new uniform. There's more to Gio than meets the eye - he's a solid all-around player, and pro.
Also, given that he's a high-character guy, who carries weight with the city, fans and team, and around the League, I think his release was largely procedural fallout of the business side of the NFL. I have no doubt the Bengals 1st priority was too keep him around, at their optimal cap niche. They asked him to take a pay cut, which they had to do; he declined, which he had every reason to do; and based on his standing with the Team, they did him a solid by allowing him the ability to choose his next destination. I absolutely believe multiple Teams inquired about his availability. I also believe talks never evolved into actual offers, because of the circumstances I've attempted to illustrate above. Not all negotiations between teams are cat-and-mouse. He's one of those rare players who deserves the opportunity to 'go get his'. I'm sure that was all out on the table with inquiring Teams - 'unless you're going to blow us away, which you're not, make him your best offer, not us.'
He's not going to be bowing and scraping for crumbs. He's going to get muliple offers, and sign a solid deal, when the dust settles, I think. It's likely a little late in the game for him (RB) to sign a one-year, 'prove it', and hit the market again next year looking for a bigger deal, but you never know. I think Teams value him enough to make him a 2-year offer, one of which he'll take.
I'm very excited to see him in a new uniform. There's more to Gio than meets the eye - he's a solid all-around player, and pro.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree, he's a solid all-around player and pro, but that doesn't mean a lot for fantasy and never has when it comes to Bernard, except as an emergency flex play at best, especially now. If you're having to start Gio Bernard your team is probably not that great to begin with.
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I think you are undervaluing him - when he gets the start he's usually a solid play especially ppr. Definitely a starting RB on a 2 RB league.
Lot's of good spots for him - some great ones are Buffalo, Miami, NE, Pitt, Atl, TB
jtd13
Footballguy
Interesting. I wouldn't call him the favorite to win the job over any of Singletary/Moss, Gaskin, Harris/Michel, Davis, or Jones/Fournette. Maybe I could see him being the favorite to start over the current crew in Pittsburgh.
He has always been a pretty much locked in RB2 when Mixon misses time though, as well as pre-Jeremy Hill in cicny. He's very solid in the passing game, so if he starts, he gets the volume to produce a good fantasy floor. I just don't see him starting except for injury.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Dude never panned out as an all out stud, but he sure has been around for a long time.
socrates
Footballguy
Giovani Bernard could be Tom Brady's James White this season. Gio has always had some PPR value, and that could continue this season in Tampa.
MAC_32
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
It's an interesting question as to what kind of stats he would have put up if the Bengals hadn't gotten Mixon. He's not really special but he's the affordable kind of back a smart team should want.
nittanylion
Footballguy
My bias has already manifested itself upthread. IMHO, this is a match made in heaven. James White, indeed...and then some.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
if James White is the comp here, Gio is going to be a major player in 2021.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Fills the last real “need” for the Bucs. I was surprised he was still around. “Just” 29. RBs last a bit longer when they’re the receiving variety.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Too many mouths to feed. He’ll likely have some games where he has some value but picking those games will be a dice roll.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Agree. White's value was magnified by NE's lack of weapons. Brady doesn't have that issue in TB.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Ronald Jones is between the 20s. Fournette is short yards and inside 20. Gio is in on 3rd downs. That’s how I see it anyway.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
That too. He’s being brought in for a very specialized role. 3rd down receiving RB threat was the most glaring weakness on the offense.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Probably. The Bucs have much better receivers than Brady had to work with in NE.
That said look at the targets to the RBs they did have. Its a lot of targets and if Bernard gets the majority of those he could prove to be useful. Look at what Mike Davis did last year for example, I dont think anyone including myself expecting him to do as well as he did. I think Bernard is a better overall player than Mike Davis is.
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