Jordan Reed - TE - SF

[bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109]

He get concussed in practice??

[Markus P Dub 29]

Gruden says TE Jordan Reed missed practice today after developing concussion like symptoms. Would be his 5th.

[ex-ghost 633]

1 minute ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

He get concussed in practice??

Strapped his chin-strap too tight.

[shadyridr 14,320]

Quick question guys:

I literally just traded him away 3 hours ago to the person who I happened to be playing THIS week. Do I reverse the trade? I feel terrible.

[ex-ghost 633]

Just now, shadyridr said:

Quick question guys:

I literally just traded him away 3 hours ago to the person who I happened to be playing THIS week. Do I reverse the trade? I feel terrible.

Money league - I would say no, just really bad luck.

Friends/office - YES

[tangfoot 1,997]

2 minutes ago, Markus P Dub said:

Gruden says TE Jordan Reed missed practice today after developing concussion like symptoms. Would be his 5th.

With that avatar, you must be from Detroit.

[shadyridr 14,320]

Just now, ex-ghost said:

Money league - I would say no, just really bad luck.

Friends/office - YES

money league with friends

[ex-ghost 633]

Just now, shadyridr said:

money league with friends

Oh well, those are the breaks. Luck is on your side today.

[need2know 6,173]

12 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

Quick question guys:

I literally just traded him away 3 hours ago to the person who I happened to be playing THIS week. Do I reverse the trade? I feel terrible.

Those is the breaks

[NJ 95]

VD or Niles Paul?

[unckeyherb 1,423]

29 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

money league with friends

Mock him publicly and without mercy.  Act like you got an inside tip.  Warn everyone else in the league that they are next.

[BearsFan4Life 198]

4 minutes ago, NJ said:

VD or Niles Paul?

I prefer Niles Paul over VD but for fantasy purposes I will avoid both and roll with Ertz or Pitta

[VaTerp 579]

41 minutes ago, shadyridr said:

Quick question guys:

I literally just traded him away 3 hours ago to the person who I happened to be playing THIS week. Do I reverse the trade? I feel terrible.

I traded Adrian Peterson for Leveon Bell 4 days before the SNF game where Peterson got hurt.  I felt somewhat guilty. (FWIW- the trade was in a competitive money league that I commish and was made with a very good friend who actually got me into FF in college). But all sales are final in FF and everybody is taking on assumed risk at the time of the deal. Anything can happen at any time. Reed could be cleared in a relatively short time and whoever you traded for could get hurt in 2 weeks.  Its football and its FF.

And I don't see the difference in a competitive league or a friendly/work league.  Its a game. Crazy things happen and none of us knows when they are going to happen.  When you propose or accept a trade you know full well all of the risk you are taking from that point forward.

 

[tangfoot 1,997]

30 minutes ago, NJ said:

VD or Niles Paul?

The answer is Niles Paul and antibiotics.

[Captain Hook 85]

2 hours ago, shadyridr said:

Quick question guys:

I literally just traded him away 3 hours ago to the person who I happened to be playing THIS week. Do I reverse the trade? I feel terrible.

As long as you did NOT know about the concussion, the trade should stand

(given it is a friends league you have to judge how your trading partner will feel about this in the long run and let that guide you)

[shadyridr 14,320]

17 minutes ago, Captain Hook said:

As long as you did NOT know about the concussion, the trade should stand

(given it is a friends league you have to judge how your trading partner will feel about this in the long run and let that guide you)

No I didn't know about it. Anyway my friend laughed it off and said it wasn't a big deal.

[Biabreakable 5,096]

4 hours ago, SameSongNDance said:

This would be his..6th recorded concussion? Oof.

Doh!! 

As everyone has been saying in reference to this

Remarkably this song lacks any use of break beats or turntablsim although it is suitable for such purposes..

[JFS171 838]

So... I'm kinda desperate for a TE. Any homer insights about whether Davis or Paul would be a viable streamer?  Best on the wire is Richard Rogers, so... yeah. It's bad. 

[Biabreakable 5,096]

According to this the Eagles have been the worst match up against TE over 4 games.

Richard Rodgers is the 4th most targeted player for the Packers thus far and Jared Cook should not be available for this game, which makes Rodgers a more appealing option I think.

 

[dgreen 3,231]

29 minutes ago, JFS171 said:

So... I'm kinda desperate for a TE. Any homer insights about whether Davis or Paul would be a viable streamer?  Best on the wire is Richard Rogers, so... yeah. It's bad. 

Davis. Paul mostly only plays in 3 TE sets or sometimes lines up at FB. Paul only has one reception (and I think one target) this season. 

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

2 minutes ago, dgreen said:

Davis. Paul mostly only plays in 3 TE sets or sometimes lines up at FB. Paul only has one reception (and I think one target) this season. 

I agree with this.

Although there is a small part of me that wonders if, due to his blocking prowess, Davis stays in the exact role he's in now while Paul jumps up into Reed's move TE role and garners those targets...he's done it before. But that was pre-VD and frankly before his most recent ankle injury which has left him looking much less explosive than he was before. 

[Sebowski 3,974]

3 minutes ago, dgreen said:

Davis. Paul mostly only plays in 3 TE sets or sometimes lines up at FB. Paul only has one reception (and I think one target) this season. 

I disagree. I think Davis keeps his role and Paul steps right in to Reed's like he has in past concussions.

[Tommy Collins 272]

7 minutes ago, dgreen said:

Davis. Paul mostly only plays in 3 TE sets or sometimes lines up at FB. Paul only has one reception (and I think one target) this season. 

Davis is playing more snaps and getting more targets. Would make sense that he would be taking over, rather than Paul leapfrogging Davis.

[Sebowski 3,974]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

Davis is playing more snaps and getting more targets. Would make sense that he would be taking over, rather than Paul leapfrogging Davis.

I see it more like when a feature RB goes down the 3rd down RB doesn't always take over as feature. There is another guy that backs him up.

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

3 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

Davis is playing more snaps and getting more targets. Would make sense that he would be taking over, rather than Paul leapfrogging Davis.

There is the fact that VD can block his ### off compared to Paul, which means keeping him in the role he's in might make sense. Tough call.

[Tommy Collins 272]

22 minutes ago, Sebowski said:

I see it more like when a feature RB goes down the 3rd down RB doesn't always take over as feature. There is another guy that backs him up.

So a 3rd down, change of pace back is compared to the TE position how?

[JFS171 838]

1 hour ago, Tommy Collins said:

So a 3rd down, change of pace back is compared to the TE position how?

I didn't think the analogy was that complicated. Like in Carolina with CAP inactive when stewart is healthy while Fozzy always has a role. 

In this case, Paul would be CAP and VD would be Fozzy. 

[offdee 1,454]

Pierre Garcon is actually the guy who will see increased targets over the middle

[modogg 4,680]

1 minute ago, offdee said:

Pierre Garcon is actually the guy who will see increased targets over the middle

i was thinking Crowder may be the biggest beneficiary out of this. Bums me out though, and i feel for the guy. hopefully it is nothing big and they are just being precautious

[davearm 921]

2 hours ago, Tommy Collins said:

So a 3rd down, change of pace back is compared to the TE position how?

Well the principle would be that receiving TE and blocking TE are two distinct roles, just as feature RB and COP RB are two distinct roles.

A receiving TE getting hurt doesn't automatically make a blocking TE into a receiving TE.

[Tool 1,588]

3 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

According to this the Eagles have been the worst match up against TE over 4 games.

Richard Rodgers is the 4th most targeted player for the Packers thus far and Jared Cook should not be available for this game, which makes Rodgers a more appealing option I think.

 

4's a pretty small sample size and they've played against mostly middle of the road TE's

[Biabreakable 5,096]

1 minute ago, Tool said:

4's a pretty small sample size and they've played against mostly middle of the road TE's

No argument with you about that. It is what it is.

FWIW

Ebron didn't play against them so the other TE they have faced are Barnidge, Zach Miller, Jesse James. In PPR leagues all 3 of these TE are 13th or better though.

Barnidge after being blanked by them week 1 has had 4, 5. 7. 5 receptions since then.

James had his worst game of the season so far against them.

Miller who is TE 4 so far in PPR scoring had his second worst game against them with 4 receptions 33 yards.

[cjv123 84]

I;m thinking Fiedorowicz over Rodgers.

[kyoun1e 896]

In one league I'm starting to think J. Reed being out could be a blessing in disguise. Reed's matchup this week is downright horrible against PHI. C. Fleener was sitting their in FA and CAR in the dome is a much better matchup.

Grabbed Z. Miller in another league, but JAX is tough against TEs as well. 

[BearsFan4Life 198]

6 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

In one league I'm starting to think J. Reed being out could be a blessing in disguise. Reed's matchup this week is downright horrible against PHI. C. Fleener was sitting their in FA and CAR in the dome is a much better matchup.

Grabbed Z. Miller in another league, but JAX is tough against TEs as well. 

Tend to agree it may be a blessing, but I have to choose between Ertz and Pitta (just picked him off the waiver wire this week after being dropped Sun. morning)

[Dr. Octopus 15,667]

9 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

No argument with you about that. It is what it is.

FWIW

Ebron didn't play against them so the other TE they have faced are Barnidge, Zach Miller, Jesse James. In PPR leagues all 3 of these TE are 13th or better though.

Barnidge after being blanked by them week 1 has had 4, 5. 7. 5 receptions since then.

James had his worst game of the season so far against them.

Miller who is TE 4 so far in PPR scoring had his second worst game against them with 4 receptions 33 yards.

With RGIII at QB. Most felt RGIII would kill Barnidge's value (there was even a thread discussing that).

The Steeler game seemed like an anomaly overall. I think if those two teams played again, the results would be quite different.

Not trying to knock you here (good info), because as you said "it is what it is" and it could very well turn out to be a predictive sample. It would be hard to get too excited over Paul and Davis anyway (especially if they split the targets).

 

Edited October 13, 2016 by Dr. Octopus

[Tommy Collins 272]

11 hours ago, JFS171 said:

I didn't think the analogy was that complicated. Like in Carolina with CAP inactive when stewart is healthy while Fozzy always has a role. 

In this case, Paul would be CAP and VD would be Fozzy. 

It is a difficult analogy when it makes no sense. Other than substituing names in for the CAR RB situation you haven't provided any explanation as to why Paul would leapfrog Davis.

[Tommy Collins 272]

10 hours ago, davearm said:

Well the principle would be that receiving TE and blocking TE are two distinct roles, just as feature RB and COP RB are two distinct roles.

A receiving TE getting hurt doesn't automatically make a blocking TE into a receiving TE.

But if Davis is primarily there to be a blocking TE why is he running so many routes?

[Steeler 2,856]

6 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

But if Davis is primarily there to be a blocking TE why is he running so many routes?

No one knows what will happen but the idea is pretty simple - that Davis might keep his current role (including all the routes he is currently running) and Paul will take on the Reed role.  Its certainly plausible if Davis is the best blocking TE on the team that he will be selected for that role when a play needs a TE to block allowing Paul to run routes (and not asking him to block if he isn't as good as Davis). Now, i dont know if any of that is true, and nobody is asking you to agree - but the concept is pretty straight forward.

[davearm 921]

34 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

But if Davis is primarily there to be a blocking TE why is he running so many routes?

I was responding to your question, " a 3rd down, change of pace back is compared to the TE position how?"

So I gave you the comparison.

[pantherclub 2,005]

This kids brain has to be scrambled by now right

[JFS171 838]

28 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

It is a difficult analogy when it makes no sense. Other than substituing names in for the CAR RB situation you haven't provided any explanation as to why Paul would leapfrog Davis.

It's not the SAT analogies here... @davearm explained it a different way.  I'm not sure what else to say.  When Reed missed 4 games near the start of 2014, Paul came in the lineup and posted 18 catches for 233 yards over those games, and that includes a 1-6 game against the Seahawks, who at the time were even more ridiculous on defense than they are now.

I don't have routes run data, and a google search thus far has proven useless... but I didn't get the impression in the Redskins games I've seen that Davis was running a ton of routes.  A lot of his offseason coverage was about how much he was going to help Washington as a run blocker. 

It's plausible to me that neither of these guys matter - Crowder just absorbs more targets.  But the TE has been used pretty extensively in Washington, so I kinda think one of them would be useful if Reed misses.

[Tommy Collins 272]

27 minutes ago, Steeler said:

No one knows what will happen but the idea is pretty simple - that Davis might keep his current role (including all the routes he is currently running) and Paul will take on the Reed role.  Its certainly plausible if Davis is the best blocking TE on the team that he will be selected for that role when a play needs a TE to block allowing Paul to run routes (and not asking him to block if he isn't as good as Davis). Now, i dont know if any of that is true, and nobody is asking you to agree - but the concept is pretty straight forward.

I prefer not to get into arguments here, but you're basing this off nothing more than a guess. 

[Tommy Collins 272]

6 minutes ago, JFS171 said:

It's not the SAT analogies here... @davearm explained it a different way.  I'm not sure what else to say.  When Reed missed 4 games near the start of 2014, Paul came in the lineup and posted 18 catches for 233 yards over those games

And the team didn't have Davis. And the offense isn't what it is now. So comparing 2014 to now with a different offense, different talent and different personnel doesn't really mean much.

[JFS171 838]

2 minutes ago, Tommy Collins said:

And the team didn't have Davis. And the offense isn't what it is now. So comparing 2014 to now with a different offense, different talent and different personnel doesn't really mean much.

Look I don't know how to explain to you that a blocking TE and a receiving TE are different positions.  So I've tried giving numerous examples, as have others, and you don't seem to get it... or you're purposefully being obtuse.

Either way, I've given up.  You win.

[Tommy Collins 272]

5 minutes ago, JFS171 said:

Look I don't know how to explain to you that a blocking TE and a receiving TE are different positions.  So I've tried giving numerous examples, as have others, and you don't seem to get it... or you're purposefully being obtuse.

Either way, I've given up.  You win.

I have a hard time buying this "blocking TE" role that people believe is true. He has nearly 6000 career receiving yards, hit 850 yards 3 times and scored 13 TDs in a season 2 times. But he's a blocking TE now?

 

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/davis-paul-possibly-nsekhe-will-get-increased-roles-if-reed-out

[Dismattle 211]

I dont wish to get into any Skins fan argument ..  But lets not forget that it doesnt matter how brilliant any plan sounds IF the Coach aint seeing things in a similar fashion..  The OC might, but that could just be a temporary issue too (get right or get stepping)

[SayWhat? 4,063]

1 hour ago, JFS171 said:

Look I don't know how to explain to you that a blocking TE and a receiving TE are different positions.  So I've tried giving numerous examples, as have others, and you don't seem to get it... or you're purposefully being obtuse.

Either way, I've given up.  You win.

You'd done a fine job, not sure why the comprehension is lacking.

[zeeshan2 350]

Tommy Chalk @Tommy_Chalk

No sign of Jordan Reed at practice. Experienced symptoms on Tuesday, going through concussion protocol.

12:06 PM - 13 Oct 2016

[Tommy Collins 272]

1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

You'd done a fine job, not sure why the comprehension is lacking.

Amazing what these forums have come to.

I will copy & paste the same response:

I have a hard time buying this "blocking TE" role that people believe is true. He has nearly 6000 career receiving yards, hit 850 yards 3 times and scored 13 TDs in a season 2 times. But he's a blocking TE now?

There is no lack of comprehension. I understand the theory that was laid out. The issue is I'm not buying it as there is absolutely no evidence to support it.