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If he'd used his legs when he drank, he wouldn't be in this mess.Well, if they signed Michael O'Leary or Floyd O'Patty...this whole drinking nonsense may have legs.
Oh the irony!
If he'd used his legs when he drank, he wouldn't be in this mess.Well, if they signed Michael O'Leary or Floyd O'Patty...this whole drinking nonsense may have legs.
With Floyd's hands, it makes you wonder how many drinks he had to order to get drunk and how many drinks he dropped.If he'd used his legs when he drank, he wouldn't be in this mess.
Oh the irony!
If you're serious, your user name is appropriate.Tool said:I bet Belichek told Floyd if he could get released the Pats would claim him. So Floyd went out and got a DUI which led to his release. Same thing happened two years ago with Blount.
Interesting. Never thought of that viewpoint. I just figured he was an insurance move for this season with their WR depth being not the greatest.I doubt he sees the field.
This was a compensatory pick move, nothing more. Pats will pray he gets a big deal, and maybe they get a free 4th or 5th rounder.
They have plenty of cap room next year. So they can afford the mill he costs this year.Interesting. Never thought of that viewpoint. I just figured he was an insurance move for this season with their WR depth being not the greatest.
You can stop pretending that California beer doesn't beat the living #### out NE beer anytime now.Serenity Now said:If that's all you know about beer in Boston, then you don't know anything.
That's one hell of an expensive benchwarmerMike Reiss ESPN Staff Writer
While Patriots WR Michael Floyd made the trip to Denver, he will not be active for Sunday's game against the Broncos, sources tell ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The Patriots will still pay Floyd $430,588 for the game.
If Belichick was his coach, it would have been a lot lower.John Gambadoro
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Report shows Michael Floyd with a .217 blood alcohol concentration which is an super extreme DUI - automatic months of jail time
11:49 AM - 21 Dec 2016
From what I read, it requires a mandatory 45 days of jail time. Most likely he will address this in the off season. I believe the NFL policy instituted in 2014 calls for a one game suspension for first time DUI's. I am not sure if they count the one he had in college or not, but I think this is the first one he had as an NFL player.John Gambadoro
✔@Gambo987
Report shows Michael Floyd with a .217 blood alcohol concentration which is an super extreme DUI - automatic months of jail time
11:49 AM - 21 Dec 2016
I wasn't familiar with that quote so I googled what it was about. Basically Floyd missed the first day or 2 of Fitz's workout that he put on each year with other WRs during Floyd's rookie season. When Floyd did show up on the 2nd/3rd day Fitz raved about him.Larry Fitzgerald told us everything we needed to know about Floyd in 2012 when he called Floyd out as "Don't Want It".
Actually his inability to meet expectations, despite the athletic talent, draft pedigree, and opportunity, that is the most telling.I wasn't familiar with that quote so I googled what it was about. Basically Floyd missed the first day or 2 of Fitz's workout that he put on each year with other WRs during Floyd's rookie season. When Floyd did show up on the 2nd/3rd day Fitz raved about him.
I'm not sure that one comment should define Floyd for the rest of his career anymore than Fitz's positive remarks the next day. The mutual admiration shown to each other over the next 4 years is more telling to me.
Floyd has a drinking problem apparently. Many people in their early 20s do. Hopefully he gets help before he does something that will drastically change his & others lives.
Why would other teams even bother? The majority of teams already know they are not going to make the playoffs, so why take on the salary and the bad publicity? Most playoff teams already have a nice WR corps, so it's not worth the money and bad PR and time to try to teach a guy the playbook in 3 weeks. As for meeting expectations, I lined it out earlier in the thread, but if you take situation into account, he's performed pretty well except for this year. Quick summary, year 1 - typical light usage rookie season, year 2 - nice breakout, year 3 - s*** show at QB, year 4 - slowed by two injuries (dislocated fingers then hamstring) but five 100 yard games. People act like he's had five years like Allen Robinson's 2016, but he's never received the kind of volume Robinson has. In fact, his 2015 was similar to Robinson's 2016, but on 50 less targets. And Floyd's 2015 per target efficiency was similar to Robinson's breakout 2015. If you extrapolate his 89 targets to 151, you'd get 88/1440/10.Actually his inability to meet expectations, despite the athletic talent, draft pedigree, and opportunity, that is the most telling.
The majority of the NFL doesn't trust Fitz's opinion (good or bad) on Floyd given he made it all the way to the Patriots before being claimed.
Agreed that Floyd likely has a drinking problem. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
I'm not advocating spending 15% of your budget on him or drafting him in the 3rd round of a startup, but the dude has performed pretty well if you take situation into account. His 2016 performance was garbage, though. He should be really cheap to acquire in dynasty right now and will be really cheap to draft, but the upside is there. Low risk, high reward. Nothing more. He's probably got less than a 50% chance of being a top 24 fantasy WR next year, but you can probably get him for a 3rd rounder which would net you a player who has less than a 5% chance of being a top 24 WR.I'm always interested in players that get mulligans from fans time after time. This guy is the Sam Bradford of WRs.
I agree with this.I'm not advocating spending 15% of your budget on him or drafting him in the 3rd round of a startup, but the dude has performed pretty well if you take situation into account. His 2016 performance was garbage, though. He should be really cheap to acquire in dynasty right now and will be really cheap to draft, but the upside is there. Low risk, high reward. Nothing more. He's probably got less than a 50% chance of being a top 24 fantasy WR next year, but you can probably get him for a 3rd rounder which would net you a player who has less than a 5% chance of being a top 24 WR.
Good read actually. Winning does change people. And there's no more winning a football organization in the world right now than NE.Faust said:
When Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire were in that steroid induced home run chase, it was the absolutely story of baseball that year. It was insane. Network news covered it every night down the stretch. I remember going to Cubs games that year, late in the season when the race was tight. Sosa came to the plate in St. Louis and the St. Louis fans gave him a Standing O. The Cubs are the Cards arch rival. Would Yankee Fans give a standing O to a Red Sox? Would LA do that for a Giant? That only happens in St. Louis. Hate all you want, but it's different here. You can try to say that it's not that this is all just conjecture, but you would be wrong.And that's why non Pat's fans hate the Patriots and Brady. Just like how the Cardinal's have the most obnoxious fans in baseball.
Dear Lord. Not a Cardinal's fan. I love how the Card's fans called Heyward a traitor for going to the Cubs when he only played in STL for one year and didn't even choose to be there because he was traded. Then they kept saying he sold out to take all that money even though the Cards offered him more.When Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire were in that steroid induced home run chase, it was the absolutely story of baseball that year. It was insane. Network news covered it every night down the stretch. I remember going to Cubs games that year, late in the season when the race was tight. Sosa came to the plate in St. Louis and the St. Louis fans gave him a Standing O. The Cubs are the Cards arch rival. Would Yankee Fans give a standing O to a Red Sox? Would LA do that for a Giant? That only happens in St. Louis. Hate all you want, but it's different here. You can try to say that it's not that this is all just conjecture, but you would be wrong.
When Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire were in that steroid induced home run chase, it was the absolutely story of baseball that year. It was insane. Network news covered it every night down the stretch. I remember going to Cubs games that year, late in the season when the race was tight. Sosa came to the plate in St. Louis and the St. Louis fans gave him a Standing O. The Cubs are the Cards arch rival. Would Yankee Fans give a standing O to a Red Sox? Would LA do that for a Giant? That only happens in St. Louis. Hate all you want, but it's different here. You can try to say that it's not that this is all just conjecture, but you would be wrong.
Called him a traitor? I heard none of that. I'm guessing Dexter Fowler got some of that though....Dear Lord. Not a Cardinal's fan. I love how the Card's fans called Heyward a traitor for going to the Cubs when he only played in STL for one year and didn't even choose to be there because he was traded. Then they kept saying he sold out to take all that money even though the Cards offered him more.
The Cardinals do not have the best fans in baseball. I'm not sure which team does but it's not the Cardinals. Probably not a good place to have this debate though.
None of that was because they would no longer have to face him? If Ortiz and A-Rod were in a home run race like Sosa and McGuire, do you think either city would give a standing O to the opposing player?
Not A-rod but Ortiz and someone else, under the same circumstances, yeah i think probably, but who the hell knows.None of that was because they would no longer have to face him? If Ortiz and A-Rod were in a home run race like Sosa and McGuire, do you think either city would give a standing O to the opposing player?
LOL If you spend any time on Twitter you'd see a ton on terrible tweets about Heyward. Called him a traitor and used several other derogatory comments. I probably shouldn't call out the entire fan base because of those tweets because every team has moron fans like that but it was pretty ridiculous.Called him a traitor? I heard none of that. I'm guessing Dexter Fowler got some of that though....
I am not that familiar with BB's reclamation projects. How many had similar substance abuse issues and related legal problems?I may be in the minority, but I think Floyd comes back to NE on a really low cost, incentive-laden one year deal (with an option year). That way, if he works out, great. If he does really well, he will probably move on (but the Pats would qualify for a compensatory pick). In many ways, he seems like the prototypical BB reclamation project.
Well, they already signed him. So that's 90% of the battle. And he drafted Aaron Hernandez knowing his sordid past. Can't get much more to try to work around. his picked up guys with various issues (bad seed, bad attitude, probably some substance stuff in there as well). Dillion, Moss, bringing back Donte Stallworth after he killed someone. So I would say there is a bit of a track record there.I am not that familiar with BB's reclamation projects. How many had similar substance abuse issues and related legal problems?
Those seem distinguishable to me. Dillion was labeled a malcontent but the Bengals wouldn't pay him what he was worth and was a happy camper once he got to NE and the contract he felt he deserved. Moss was a diva (with rumored drug issues) who normally wouldn't fit on a BB team, but was able to be a "team player" (at least for a little while) in order to hopefully get a SB ring. Stallworth was driving drunk but the circumstances of the fatality (if you read the details) were such that the pedestrian might have been hit even if Stallworth were sober (that doesn't excuse the drunk driving and he still should have been punished for it).Well, they already signed him. So that's 90% of the battle. And he drafted Aaron Hernandez knowing his sordid past. Can't get much more to try to work around. his picked up guys with various issues (bad seed, bad attitude, probably some substance stuff in there as well). Dillion, Moss, bringing back Donte Stallworth after he killed someone. So I would say there is a bit of a track record there.
I would not be shocked if Floyd stuck around for the league minimum with bonuses / incentives just to get a fresh start.
Well, NE did sign him within 48 hours or so of his release and just after the incident, so I am guessing that they would consider signing him again.Those seem distinguishable to me. Dillion was labeled a malcontent but the Bengals wouldn't pay him what he was worth and was a happy camper once he got to NE and the contract he felt he deserved. Moss was a diva (with rumored drug issues) who normally wouldn't fit on a BB team, but was able to be a "team player" (at least for a little while) in order to hopefully get a SB ring. Stallworth was driving drunk but the circumstances of the fatality (if you read the details) were such that the pedestrian might have been hit even if Stallworth were sober (that doesn't excuse the drunk driving and he still should have been punished for it).
I dunno, Floyd just doesn't seem the like the others to me. However as a disclaimer, I own Malcolm Mitchell in several dynasty leagues, so I may view Floyd through a more critical prism that others.
ESPN's Mike Reiss believes the Patriots could be interested in bringing back free agent Michael Floyd, but only at the right price.
Reiss believes the Patriots value Floyd's "physical presence," though his questionable chemistry with Tom Brady raised red flags. Floyd didn't grasp New England's offense as quickly as the team hoped, which led to him being a healthy scratch for the last two playoff games. It probably won't cost much to keep Floyd, which could work to the Patriots' advantage. But if Floyd's price rises, it's doubtful New England would get in a bidding war. Floyd is currently serving a 120-day jail sentence following his second DUI.
Source: ESPN.com
Feb 26 - 8:52 AM
I agree with WheelsUp that after last year's disappointing season he may not even be signed yet if he had a clean record. I don't think any of those teams would be very good for him as he'd be a 3rd WR for Det or TB. SF would make sense as I think he's better than Garcon, but will they find a QB? The only other places that even look slightly appealing would be Carolina (although they just signed two under the radar guys, Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard), Tennessee, and Buffalo. I think he'd at least be competing to be the WR2 on those teams.Will there be a market for him when he gets out of jail? As a big Floyd supporter last year I still think he has some tools, but I was obviously very wrong. I imagine he will have a game or two to sit out as well. Could make sense for a team like Detroit or TB, or several teams that just need NFL quality WRs like sf or chi.
I thought a wr3 on a team is about what he should be shooting for at this point. Still think he can be a wr2 or wr1 (real NFL terms, not ffl wr1)?I agree with WheelsUp that after last year's disappointing season he may not even be signed yet if he had a clean record. I don't think any of those teams would be very good for him as he'd be a 3rd WR for Det or TB. SF would make sense as I think he's better than Garcon, but will they find a QB? The only other places that even look slightly appealing would be Carolina (although they just signed two under the radar guys, Charles Johnson and Russell Shepard), Tennessee, and Buffalo. I think he'd at least be competing to be the WR2 on those teams.
I thought he had turned the corner in 2015 (or recaptured his 2nd year). He dealt with two injuries that year, but when he was healthy he was crushing it. Looked like the best WR on the roster. Then last year he looked like the worst. He had a chance for redemption but couldn't get on the field in New England. Right now he looks like a low probability flyer for 2017. If he can keep his nose clean he might have some value in 2018.
Isnt he doing time?? He will be lucky to be on the league next seasomA lot of the players that remains are what teams will sign if they dont get what they want in the draft. There are a few out there waiting to get picked up and wrok deals, but most are just waiting for a call to come visit later in the year. I bet a team hasnt even called about Floyd yet.
If he plays like he did in 2013-2015, for sure (I blame the QBs for 2014's stat line). If he plays like 2016 he'll be lucky to be on a roster.I thought a wr3 on a team is about what he should be shooting for at this point. Still think he can be a wr2 or wr1 (real NFL terms, not ffl wr1)?
I believe at this point he is under house arrest and can't leave Arizona. However, he will be available and done with his legal situation in mid-June.bicycle_seat_sniffer said:Isnt he doing time?? He will be lucky to be on the league next seasom
He served 24 days in jail and has to serve 96 days under house arrest. That puts the timeline at mid-June.House arrest? He was lucky to be in the league this season with that video and get a SB trip out of it. Now he may get lucky and land on a good team that suffers an injury in camp.