Henry Ford
Footballguy
Fingerprint differences betweens are because of environmental factors - no two children have exactly the same physical experience in utero. Density of amniotic fluid and location in the womb cause changes to the fingerprint.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
How do you know they were ever in a human womb? Some sort of artificial womb doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.
Spoiler for around episode 9 or so follows
Spoiler for around episode 9 or so follows
Well, actually, for two of them we do, but still
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Still doesn't account for it. Basically, the kids would have to be strapped into the exact same position in the same artificial womb at an unbelievably precise amniotic fluid pressue where they couldn't move more than a micron until week 13 or something, which would screw with development in a huge number of other ways.
Also, their birthdays were within a month of one another, which rules that out.
Also, the one whose fingerprints came up as a match (Sarah) of a different one (German) definitely had a human womb. I accidentally found out your spoiler because of my severe outrage over this issue.
fatness
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
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Still doesn't account for it. Basically, the kids would have to be strapped into the exact same position in the same artificial womb at an unbelievably precise amniotic fluid pressue where they couldn't move more than a micron until week 13 or something, which would screw with development in a huge number of other ways.
Also, their birthdays were within a month of one another, which rules that out.
Also, the one whose fingerprints came up as a match (Sarah) of a different one (German) definitely had a human womb. I accidentally found out your spoiler because of my severe outrage over this issue.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Still doesn't account for it. Basically, the kids would have to be strapped into the exact same position in the same artificial womb at an unbelievably precise amniotic fluid pressue where they couldn't move more than a micron until week 13 or something, which would screw with development in a huge number of other ways.
Also, their birthdays were within a month of one another, which rules that out.
Also, the one whose fingerprints came up as a match (Sarah) of a different one (German) definitely had a human womb. I accidentally found out your spoiler because of my severe outrage over this issue.
Also, their birthdays were within a month of one another, which rules that out.
Also, the one whose fingerprints came up as a match (Sarah) of a different one (German) definitely had a human womb. I accidentally found out your spoiler because of my severe outrage over this issue.
Fair point.
fatness
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
28 hours to the premiere.
Henry, make sure to catch up in time. Also, hide the remotes, chainsaws, and friends named chainsaw before you get to the last 10 minutes. Well, or don't, but be sure to have your phone ready to snap some pics.
Henry, make sure to catch up in time. Also, hide the remotes, chainsaws, and friends named chainsaw before you get to the last 10 minutes. Well, or don't, but be sure to have your phone ready to snap some pics.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I'm really trying to let it go, but every time the scientist comes on screen I remember that she told Sarah that the fingerprints were the same, and it makes me think she's a fraud.
Chainsaw and Spike both coming over for drinks later. I'll keep the phone handy.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Good idea. If I think of her as one of those strippers claiming to be getting her degree in genetics, it all makes sense again.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
looks like the dvr has all from the beginning now. will start this soon.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Sarah as Cosima was awesome. It's about time we got that combo. Amazing how they pull that off. Real Cosima is still noticeably hotter than Sarah as Cosima.
Tatiana trying to explain why Cosima's the hot one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggldHHBtz-I
Not sure how it never occurred to the that the religious group might've taken Kira. That diner scene was pretty awesome.
Tatiana trying to explain why Cosima's the hot one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggldHHBtz-I
Not sure how it never occurred to the that the religious group might've taken Kira. That diner scene was pretty awesome.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Awesome first episode.
Chase Stuart
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Good review of episode 1 of season 2: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/orphan-black-nature-under-constraint-and-vexed-203622
Also, spoiler for episode 1:
Also, spoiler for episode 1:
How great of an actress is Maslany? I could tell just from a frame or two of her feet that Helena was alive.
BBCA was fantastic when it started but fell off for several years. It seems to be getting better. Particularly with Luther and this show. And Graham Norton has the best talk show of all time.
My vote is for Alison.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
That was great. I also loved the way she delivered "My sister shot me"
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
So, a question about the clones:
Also, is Art the worst actor ever?
Are we going to find out that they're somewhat invincible? I say somewhat because, well, a few of them have already died. But it seems to be going in that direction with (1) Kira surviving a car crash and (2) Helena being alive. Do the clones have superpowers?
If Beth knew about this, that would make the train idea make sense (for example, maybe she tried to kill herself another way but failed). The German was shot in the head. Who else died? A few other clones we never met. So who knows.
Again, I'm not sure this theory makes much sense, but 1 and 2 certainly seem related to me.
If Beth knew about this, that would make the train idea make sense (for example, maybe she tried to kill herself another way but failed). The German was shot in the head. Who else died? A few other clones we never met. So who knows.
Again, I'm not sure this theory makes much sense, but 1 and 2 certainly seem related to me.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Also, is Art the worst actor ever?
Art's pretty bad. Paul might be worse.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Another really good episode. Also, Cosima looked hotter than ever.
And great line here: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--r5StSedA--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/gj6q9skt7oqyz8tnhibr.jpg
And great line here: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--r5StSedA--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/gj6q9skt7oqyz8tnhibr.jpg
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Alison was great in the cemetery. I love it when she talks to Donnie like she's about to slit his throat.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Wow. Maybe the best episode to date. Just utterly devastating for everyone.
This show just tackles these huge moments with such ease. You've got Cosima performing an autopsy on the likely fate of her own body, massive plot movement with Sarah/Kira, and Alison completely falling apart, and then just for kicks, they throw in Helena's story going down the most chilling and creepy road possible.
In terms of a TV show, that Henrik makes a great villain. Vile, disgusting, and dangerous and doing so with charm and a smile on his face.
Hopefully, Sarah and the cavalry show up soon enough to slaughter that whole damn compound.
No offense to poor Paul, but if the show has just swapped Paul out for Cal, then that seems like a big trade up.
This show just tackles these huge moments with such ease. You've got Cosima performing an autopsy on the likely fate of her own body, massive plot movement with Sarah/Kira, and Alison completely falling apart, and then just for kicks, they throw in Helena's story going down the most chilling and creepy road possible.
In terms of a TV show, that Henrik makes a great villain. Vile, disgusting, and dangerous and doing so with charm and a smile on his face.
Hopefully, Sarah and the cavalry show up soon enough to slaughter that whole damn compound.
No offense to poor Paul, but if the show has just swapped Paul out for Cal, then that seems like a big trade up.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Interesting -- I kind of thought it was one of the weaker episodes to date, although that may have changed in the final 2 minutes. A weak episode of OB is still a good episode, but this was the first time in awhile I felt like I was watching a show made for a teenage girl (the romance scene with Cal, for instance).
I know it seems unlikely, but I wouldn't underestimate Helena. Henrik seems to be the main character of the Proletheans, but it wouldn't shock me if Helena kills or maims him during the rape scene that's foreshadowed for next week. We saw him artificially inseminate a cow; I kind of thought they might do the same with Helena, but if he's going for the ol' natural insemination, he may have a surprise in store. Definitely a creepy scene, and equally creepy was how unaffected the rest of the Proletheans seem to be by this rape/wedding.
For a change, there wasn't much of a comedic tone in this episode, but the one moment was great - Cosima doing a Leekie impression was perfect.
Oh, who's driving the truck? Cal? Mrs. S?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
The Cal stuff worked for me. Kira dropping the "Are you my dad?" was almost a tad much, but she's a smart kid. Mostly, I thought that scene was just phenomenal, with everything being conveyed with no dialogue from Kira's line until Fee said whatever British thing he said.
I'm also biased because at least Cal's not Paul. Sarah and Paul together last season was a weak spot. They just didn't make any sense, except that Sarah was using him as a means to an end, as she's known to do. They tried to make that somewhat of a real relationship, which was terrible. Sarah and Cal on screen is just more entertaining to watch, and I can at least buy Sarah being interested in him.
The show certianly doesn't need a Sarah love interest, but if they are going to to there, Cal's the most interesting way to go.
Cal just seems like he could add a lot to the show (they might as well had a neon sign saying his profession will come into play), and it was nice getting more Sarah Manning backstory.
Jumping right back into it with a woman that ripped you off for $10K seemed far-fetched at first, but he put up about as much of a fight as anyone could to keep himself from wanting to bed Tatiana Maslany.
Anyway, the Cal thing worked for me, and I thought the other aspects of the episode were brilliant. Fee's big scene was great too.
Speaking of Fee, he could be a decent longshot bet to be driving that truck. Really I have no idea though. I'd probably call Mrs. S the favorite.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
He deserves an Oscar just for managing to hold off for so long.pollardsvision said:
pollardsvision
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Helena's pretty much my favorite character on TV at this point. Her and Sarah is always pure gold, but the shower scene was something else. I knew Helena wasn't there to hurt her, but Tatiana's Sarah sure as hell didn't.
I need to watch it again though, as I always do. By the time I get around to watching late Saturday night, I've usually got a pretty good buzz going. I have no idea what British Curtis Manning was saying.
I need to watch it again though, as I always do. By the time I get around to watching late Saturday night, I've usually got a pretty good buzz going. I have no idea what British Curtis Manning was saying.
3C's
Footballguy
I didn't have a buzz, though I was a couple beers in, and I have no idea what he was saying.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
This was in the S2 trailer: http://media.tumblr.com/272454ed8ce173fb987618fabc37cfec/tumblr_n28nsudHFk1skto7oo3_250.gif
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Watched it again and still don't know.
I think the first scene was basically: "damn, Mrs. S you are crazy hot, i haven't seen you in a long time, let's ####"
2nd scene: "Hey, I just dropped the girl off. I don't know #### about LEDA. But if you want to #### again, let me know"
I don't want to say this is their best episode ever because I thought it last week, and I'll probably think it again next week. They are in quite a groove right now.
I watched the bathroom scene 3 more times. Holy hell, it's so good. That journey from shock to terror to finally letting go and giving in was just beautiful. Poignant that these 2 broken sestras had that moment in the apartment of the woman whose seemingly wonderful life they were supposed to have.
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kardplayer
Footballguy
He sure as hell knows more than he's letting on.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Holy crap, Cal is the new Daario in GOT.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Michael Huisman is in everything. Treme, Nashville, GoT. Now Orphan Black. I guess he's going by Michiel now and not Americanizing it.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Can we give Tatiana Maslany all the awards? She deserves best actress for her work as Sarah/Rachel/Cosima/Alison, but also best supporting actress for Helena.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
It sucks that Alison has taken back seat this season (and just missed an entire episode), but all Helena and Sarah all the time would be fine with me. It's just insane anytime those 2 get a scene together.
And I got pretty excited when Brother Sestra told Art to "try food" because it meant we get to see Helena eat.
And I got pretty excited when Brother Sestra told Art to "try food" because it meant we get to see Helena eat.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
So, Dyad must've gotten a DNA sample from Kira somehow?
Seems like the military must be behind this somehow, trying to use the clones to breed super-soldiers or something. Whatever it is, Paul obviously knows a lot more than we thought.
We need more Helena in bars sharing pork rinds and kick the #### out of people.
Seems like the military must be behind this somehow, trying to use the clones to breed super-soldiers or something. Whatever it is, Paul obviously knows a lot more than we thought.
We need more Helena in bars sharing pork rinds and kick the #### out of people.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
You talking hotness or awesomeness?
Hotness
Cosima. By a wide margin, always and forever.
Sarah
Alison
Helena
Rachel-just doesn't do it for me like the others. not even with the chair scene
Awesomeness
Helena
Sarah
Cosima-still based on potential because they still don't give her enough to do. the new geek in the lab should help there.
Alison
Rachel
