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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)
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packersfan
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I thought the "I'm gonna break the wheel" scene between Dany and Tyrion was as good as anything on this show. Dinklage is pretty much awesome all the time but I thought Emilia Clarke rose to the challenge of acting alongside him. That was just one small scene in the season I realize but I thought it was extremely well done. I could probably go through the entire season and find a lot of moments like that I enjoyed. I wouldn't say Season 5 ranked as highly as the first four seasons but I don't think it was a huge disappointment for me. Certainly the final scene did everything it set out to, that's for sure.
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Koya
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Last season just took FOREVER to get moving. After like 5 episodes I recall the crew at work all pissy about lack of pace and good #### happenings. Last three episodes picked things up with some epic moments, but it was a real slow burn to get going.
This season doesn't share that tedious nature IMO, it's been pretty solid overall, especially the last two episodes which I've really enjoyed.
CGRdrJoe
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You're in the wrong thread, this is the thread for those that watch every episode and hate the show.
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Dan Lambskin
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Harry Manback
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Lyanna STARK had dark hair of the Starks. Lyanna was said to have very Stark like features.
Arya was supposed to look just like Lyanna. And it's been mentioned that Jon and Arya look alike.
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FreeBaGeL
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Yeah only extreme over the top fans know things like names. That's why when the Dolphins are playing I yell "Go QB #17!!! Throw it to WR #14!!!!"
Joe T
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Don't Noonan
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Terrible example, if GOT actually spoke the names as often as sports announcers then fine. Maybe you brought up a good point, every time Ramsay kills someone they should put a subtitle that says his name and how many people he has offed.
ConnSKINS26
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A precedent has already been set--Rhaegar's children with the Martell girl did not have his platinum hair. They had their mothers darker hair. The incestuous Targ hair is definitely recessive.
CBusAlex
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Zow
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packersfan
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Sure hope Ghost stayed behind at Castle Black when Jon and Sansa left. Season 6 has not been kind to the Stark Dire Wolves.
Maik Jeaunz
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I'm hoping that was a stunt wolf head that was flopped on Ramsay's table, and Shaggy & Ghost team up to go all ebony & ivory during the impending war.
ConnSKINS26
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Nymeria is still out there in the wilds. ##### is going to roll up with a whole pack of wolves when needed most.
TheMagus
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I really don't think that bastards have any claim to the throne unless they are legitimized. Jon would have to be legitimized by a Targaryan king to have any claim to the throne as a Targaryan. I posted this before in here, but people seemed to disagree with me. Here's what I found on the internet regarding the rules of succession in the GoT universe.
Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/16mqp1/spoilers_all_complete_guide_to_westerosi/
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CletiusMaximus
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The difficult question is why two knights of the Kingsguard would be guarding a ******* and mistress. That's the point of the two questions Ned asks - essentially, why weren't you with the king in Kings Landing or with the prince at the Trident? (The book version is slightly different.)
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TheMagus
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Well I would suspect that Rhaegar viewed Lyanna as much more than a mistress. I just can't see a scenario where they were actually married. He was married to Elia who died after Rhaegar did. We have heard nothing of polygamy or divorce in Westeros to my recollection. Rhaegar probably ran off with Lyanna and they were in love and he wanted her protected.
All that being said, I think Jon's true lineage isn't about claiming the throne. It is about being descended from both Starks and Targaryens, the special powers that may come with that, and what that means for the real issue at hand - the invasion of the WWs. Even if Jon was somehow not a *******, he probably wouldn't want the throne anyway and certainly wouldn't be willing to go to battle to prove he was the true Targaryen heir, which would be difficult at best.
ConnSKINS26
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I'm not sure it says anything regarding legitimacy, but wasn't Rhaegar obsessed with fulfilling the Prince that was Promised prophecy? Regardless of whether Jon is a ******* or if there's some record of his birth/some technicality, Rhaegar wanted to protect him (all assuming the theories are true). I think the child was more important to him than Lyanna was.
Bob Sacamano
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Bob Sacamano
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Though I agree wrt his lineage that not why were here.
dparker713
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At this point, anything can be explained away by Bran. So, logic is kinda out the door. Plus, wasn't he the Mad King? So insantity.
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ConnSKINS26
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dparker713
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Bran's able to project himself into the past (atleast) and he's able to influence those events. His father heard him at the Tower of Joy. He fried Hodor's brain. He could potentially have instructed Rhaegar from the future.
Another thing that I've considered is that he's actually the Lord of Light - he refined his astral projection like time travel and uses the mysticism/religion to hide is instructions through the flames - though that doesn't explain resurrection or smoke monster baby assassins. Anyway, when you introduce such a strong power as Bran's, nothing is really off the table.
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ConnSKINS26
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I think we're seeing it differently. Its not like in some time travel movies where he can change things...anything that seems like he "changed" it, it was always going to be that way. We just didn't know his role in those events yet. He didn't JUST make Willis into Hodor, as we always knew he was Hodor...Willis was always going to be Hodor and we saw why. It was destined to happen. Bran was just another part of that destiny, causing it to happen. That's why in his last living moments the Three-Eyed Raven kept him there at the moment of Willis' seizure...Willis was always going to have that seizure, it was always going to be caused by Bran, and he was always going to become Hodor for the rest of his life. The Three-Eyed Raven knew that and brought Bran to the proper place in history at the proper time, so that it could all play out.
Its confusing but Bran isn't changing the past or really changing anything...he's just playing his predestined part in it all in his own way and we're seeing it as a revelation as the viewer. But its not time travel and he's not going to be able to change anything. Anything he may have effected, we already know the outcome.
The only thing you can say definitively about the Bran stuff is that it shows that there isn't really free will...whatever happens was meant to happen, essentially. The characters just don't know it and we don't know how things will play out.
dparker713
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I'm not saying he's changed the past. I'm saying that he could be the reason for anything that's happened in the past - including the guards being at the Tower of Joy.
ConnSKINS26
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bostonfred
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FreeBaGeL
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What wormhole? He's basically saying that perhaps the same thing that happened with Willis happened with Rhaegar. That is to say that the story we're seeing, which includes Rhaegar protecting Lyanna/Jon in the Tower of Joy, is one that was already affected by Bran telling Rhaegar to do just that.
Probably a long shot, but it works in the same way that the Hodor story did. I think it's likely that there are more things that we've seen that will later be revealed as being driven by Bran. Perhaps the tower of joy is one of them.
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ConnSKINS26
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I'm saying anything is possible but precisely because anything is possible its dumb to speculate about, and a complete waste of time...its a wormhole not worth going down.
As for this specific theory though...why would some future version of Bran tell Rhaegar to have the tower protected without any knowledge of anything bad happening that having protection would have prevented? If anything that protection nearly killed Ned. This theory only "works" if something bad happened originally that Bran could change...but he can't change anything, we've already seen what always happened. Doesn't make sense for Bran to be the reason the Kingsguard are guarding the tower, he'd have no reason to make sure that happened. No idea why this is even a thing.
dparker713
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ConnSKINS26
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It wasn't done on purpose. Some combo of Bran greenseeing into the past and warging into Hodor while there allowed Willis to hear Meera's commands to "hold the door", and some mixture of those events burned that message into his brain, messed him up forever, and reduced him to a vessel with a singular goal and purpose, far into the future. In an episode filled with beings using their deaths to help Bran, Hodor's entire life and purpose for being was sacrificed, in a way. As someone said earlier I believe, pretty powerful stuff about destiny and fate.
We still have zero evidence that Bran will be able to communicate with anyone in his past visions, never mind directly influence events like that.
That's what I was trying to say above--Bran didn't go back in time and cause or change anything of his own free will, he just played his part in an event that had already happened, was always going to happen. Just like the Three-Eyed Raven did.
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-fish-
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Execept Ned, who heard him, and Willis, who got Hodored. So other than two of the three times we've seen Bran look into the past and interact, no evidence at all.
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ConnSKINS26
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You think Ned heard him, but the Three-Eyed Raven seemed unconvinced. Could easily be a red herring. As for Hodor, that wasn't really what was going on, as I explained above.
dparker713
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You're missing the point. Last week there was no evidence of why Hodor had his brain scrambled. Likewise, we have no idea why those soldiers were protecting the Tower of Joy. The fan theory of L + R = J is based in a logical world and trying to make sense of incongruous events. That's all out the door now. Any time there's a weird occurrence, it can be hand waived away as Bran's doing.
And we do have evidence that Bran communicated with his father, though poorly.
ConnSKINS26
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We pretty much know exactly why those Kingsguard were protecting the Tower of Joy, you're just trying to make a point with a really dumb example.
I get what you're saying in general, it just doesn't fit with the Tower of Joy.
I get what you're saying in general, it just doesn't fit with the Tower of Joy.
dparker713
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No, we don't. You're speculatiing. Partially based upon the books. But even still thats a fan theory and not something explicit from the text.
