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How has Khaleeshi's rise in soldiers/power not been spread all over Westeros yet? Tywin should be prepping for war with her by now or at least a piece offering.

the Lannisters' indifference to her is a little puzzling to me. as ruthless as they are, I would have thought they would have found a way to assassinate her by now...could have been done easy enough after Drogo died. I'm sure Tywin realizes what a threat she could be because she has a legitimate claim to the throne, and I'm sure he doesn't have any intention of giving up power. now it seems like it's too late...she's got an army, dragons, and 4 bad### warriors to counsel her.
They tried and failed to assassinate her...wasn't that when Drogo was sick? By the time they found out she made it...they probably also found out she was crossing the desert with a small band. But the time they found out about the small dragons....she's a few months away since they have no connections left alive...and they have probably never heard of someone wiping thru the 3 cities she did.Underestimated yes...so they probably wouldnt have payed a ton with their own war...and they probably thought no one could make it thru that...including anyone they sent.

Yeah Robert sent people to killer her and they failed. Maybe Tywin has people looking for her. Looking at the maps she is a long way away from Kings landing and doesn't appear to be headed towards it. The bigger her army gets the longer it will take to move it and support it. She's not a player for the throne right now.

She doesn't just have an army anymore, she has her own civilization developing around her.

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Tywin has been at war with the North and the Baratheon's, they were fighting two major fronts, Jamie was captured, Joffrey was at King's Landing screwing things up, there was no time or resources to worry about a young woman on the other side of the world.

Tywin has been at war with the North and the Baratheon's, they were fighting two major fronts, Jamie was captured, Joffrey was at King's Landing screwing things up, there was no time or resources to worry about a young woman on the other side of the world.

I have to think that's going to start to change soon. Maybe not next TV season, but the season after.
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How has Khaleeshi's rise in soldiers/power not been spread all over Westeros yet? Tywin should be prepping for war with her by now or at least a piece offering.

the Lannisters' indifference to her is a little puzzling to me. as ruthless as they are, I would have thought they would have found a way to assassinate her by now...could have been done easy enough after Drogo died. I'm sure Tywin realizes what a threat she could be because she has a legitimate claim to the throne, and I'm sure he doesn't have any intention of giving up power. now it seems like it's too late...she's got an army, dragons, and 4 bad### warriors to counsel her.
They tried and failed to assassinate her...wasn't that when Drogo was sick? By the time they found out she made it...they probably also found out she was crossing the desert with a small band. But the time they found out about the small dragons....she's a few months away since they have no connections left alive...and they have probably never heard of someone wiping thru the 3 cities she did.Underestimated yes...so they probably wouldnt have payed a ton with their own war...and they probably thought no one could make it thru that...including anyone they sent.

Yeah Robert sent people to killer her and they failed. Maybe Tywin has people looking for her. Looking at the maps she is a long way away from Kings landing and doesn't appear to be headed towards it. The bigger her army gets the longer it will take to move it and support it. She's not a player for the throne right now.

She doesn't just have an army anymore, she has her own civilization developing around her.

Kind of makes you wonder way she would even go back. Has she ever been to Westeros? Why not just stay and rule where she is? Her army is boss she has dragons and the people love her.

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How has Khaleeshi's rise in soldiers/power not been spread all over Westeros yet? Tywin should be prepping for war with her by now or at least a piece offering.

the Lannisters' indifference to her is a little puzzling to me. as ruthless as they are, I would have thought they would have found a way to assassinate her by now...could have been done easy enough after Drogo died. I'm sure Tywin realizes what a threat she could be because she has a legitimate claim to the throne, and I'm sure he doesn't have any intention of giving up power. now it seems like it's too late...she's got an army, dragons, and 4 bad### warriors to counsel her.
They tried and failed to assassinate her...wasn't that when Drogo was sick? By the time they found out she made it...they probably also found out she was crossing the desert with a small band. But the time they found out about the small dragons....she's a few months away since they have no connections left alive...and they have probably never heard of someone wiping thru the 3 cities she did.Underestimated yes...so they probably wouldnt have payed a ton with their own war...and they probably thought no one could make it thru that...including anyone they sent.

Yeah Robert sent people to killer her and they failed. Maybe Tywin has people looking for her. Looking at the maps she is a long way away from Kings landing and doesn't appear to be headed towards it. The bigger her army gets the longer it will take to move it and support it. She's not a player for the throne right now.

She doesn't just have an army anymore, she has her own civilization developing around her.

Kind of makes you wonder way she would even go back. Has she ever been to Westeros? Why not just stay and rule where she is? Her army is boss she has dragons and the people love her.

To her it seems like its more than just where she is now, she wants to avenge her family or whatever and have the entire world under her rule. She bought into the Dragon lore 100%, she isnt happy with 2nd place.

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Tywin was never at war with the Baratheons. Joffery is a Baratheon(technically even though we all know that Janie is his Dad). The Lannisters are the family that kept lending the Baratheon Rule money(as well as the mystery group). Tywin orchestrated the death of Robert Baratheon so that Joffery would become king aka Tywin would be the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms.

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Tywin was never at war with the Baratheons. Joffery is a Baratheon(technically even though we all know that Janie is his Dad). The Lannisters are the family that kept lending the Baratheon Rule money(as well as the mystery group). Tywin orchestrated the death of Robert Baratheon so that Joffery would become king aka Tywin would be the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms.

Oh so Renly Baratheon didn't declare himself king over Joffrey and amass a huge army and a key alliance with the second wealthiest family? I am also imagining Stannis Bararheon leading a navy into Blackwater Bay with the plan of burning Joffrey and every Lannister alive?
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Did Tywin truly orchestrate Robert's death? Hadn't heard that one before

the show didn't really say who did it, I remember something about Lancel Lannister givin the king a lot of wine

Right Cersei told him to get him drunk. He was then wounded by a boar and died.

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Tywin was never at war with the Baratheons. Joffery is a Baratheon(technically even though we all know that Janie is his Dad). The Lannisters are the family that kept lending the Baratheon Rule money(as well as the mystery group). Tywin orchestrated the death of Robert Baratheon so that Joffery would become king aka Tywin would be the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms.

tywin paid a boar to kill Robert?
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Tywin has been at war with the North and the Baratheon's, they were fighting two major fronts, Jamie was captured, Joffrey was at King's Landing screwing things up, there was no time or resources to worry about a young woman on the other side of the world.

Tywin has been at war with the North and the Baratheon's, they were fighting two major fronts, Jamie was captured, Joffrey was at King's Landing screwing things up, there was no time or resources to worry about a young woman on the other side of the world.

I have to think that's going to start to change soon. Maybe not next TV season, but the season after.
Yep. Westeros' biggest threat is the white walkers, then dany
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Tywin was never at war with the Baratheons. Joffery is a Baratheon(technically even though we all know that Janie is his Dad). The Lannisters are the family that kept lending the Baratheon Rule money(as well as the mystery group). Tywin orchestrated the death of Robert Baratheon so that Joffery would become king aka Tywin would be the most powerful man in the 7 kingdoms.

tywin paid a boar to kill Robert?
Ned thought it was suspicious....probably thinking Cersei though.
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Robert Baratheon was a perpetual drunk. This has been stated many times on the show. Him going out on a hunt fully liquored up was nothing unusual as he was warned about it many times before. People may have had their suspicions but him getting killed by the boar was pure accident.

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Robert Baratheon was a perpetual drunk. This has been stated many times on the show. Him going out on a hunt fully liquored up was nothing unusual as he was warned about it many times before. People may have had their suspicions but him getting killed by the boar was pure accident.

I thought Ned gave some signals of drugging suspicions....with Pycell I believe.
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It seemed that Cersei was not so excited to see the stump version of Jamie.

I'm guessing they have a falling out and Jamie sides with Tyrion in some sort of family coup.

Yeah, him back certainly knocks her down a peg (so to speak).

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It seemed that Cersei was not so excited to see the stump version of Jamie. I'm guessing they have a falling out and Jamie sides with Tyrion in some sort of family coup.

I took it as shock more than anything. Cersei seems loyal to a fault to her family. I would surprised to see her turn her back on Jamie. If anything, I expect her to want to extract revenge on Bolton and his men for this. Cersei may be a woman, but she is perhaps the most vengeful character in Westeros.
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Ned, Varys, and Barristan have a conversation in season 1 regarding the fact that the King's Squire, Lancel Lannister, made a point of making sure Robert never lacked for wine on the hunting trip. Varys basically points it out to the other two, so the question is is Varys just stirring the pot with conjecture, or does he know that there was a concerted effort to keep Robert in his cups in hopes that something bad might happen?

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It seemed that Cersei was not so excited to see the stump version of Jamie. I'm guessing they have a falling out and Jamie sides with Tyrion in some sort of family coup.

I took it as shock more than anything. Cersei seems loyal to a fault to her family. I would surprised to see her turn her back on Jamie. If anything, I expect her to want to extract revenge on Bolton and his men for this. Cersei may be a woman, but she is perhaps the most vengeful character in Westeros.

After scaling the tower wall, Bran would disagree.

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Some things are way up in the air. They alluded to, but never actually acknowledged that the rest of the watch is now dead. That was 5 episodes ago. Are we to assume they all were consumed?

Are we also to assume the wildings are giving up the push to castle black? No indication that anyone but Ygritte is still alive from that crew in E10.

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Some things are way up in the air. They alluded to, but never actually acknowledged that the rest of the watch is now dead. That was 5 episodes ago. Are we to assume they all were consumed?

Are we also to assume the wildings are giving up the push to castle black? No indication that anyone but Ygritte is still alive from that crew in E10.

Red Beard is still alive unless Ygritte killed him and they didnt show it yet.

At Casters keep, seems that the nights watch imploded on itself. with Mormont being killed and those loyal to him either fleeing (Sam) or being killed. there is a faction of the Nights watch that went rogue and who knows what they did after the battle at crasters.

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Some things are way up in the air. They alluded to, but never actually acknowledged that the rest of the watch is now dead. That was 5 episodes ago. Are we to assume they all were consumed?

Are we also to assume the wildings are giving up the push to castle black? No indication that anyone but Ygritte is still alive from that crew in E10.

Red Beard is still alive unless Ygritte killed him and they didnt show it yet.

At Casters keep, seems that the nights watch imploded on itself. with Mormont being killed and those loyal to him either fleeing (Sam) or being killed. there is a faction of the Nights watch that went rogue and who knows what they did after the battle at crasters.

Plus, a whole bunch of them were still at Castle Black when Jon arrived.

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Cersei may be a woman, but she is perhaps the most vengeful character in Westeros.

You say that like those are mutually exclusive.

I meant more in terms of not just her desire for revenge, but her willingness and ability to take it- even in a culture that only sees women as objects. Women aren't supposed do things in Westeros. They are to have things done to them. Even child birth isn't seen as a woman having a child, but a man putting a child inside of her.

I know in our modern world, women can be extremely vengeful...I've had some exgfs that taught me that lesson quite well.

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Ned, Varys, and Barristan have a conversation in season 1 regarding the fact that the King's Squire, Lancel Lannister, made a point of making sure Robert never lacked for wine on the hunting trip. Varys basically points it out to the other two, so the question is is Varys just stirring the pot with conjecture, or does he know that there was a concerted effort to keep Robert in his cups in hopes that something bad might happen?

what ever happened to Lancel, forgot about him.

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Robert Baratheon was a perpetual drunk. This has been stated many times on the show. Him going out on a hunt fully liquored up was nothing unusual as he was warned about it many times before. People may have had their suspicions but him getting killed by the boar was pure accident.

I completely disagree. There was nothing accidental about that death. It was foreshadowed all over the place, If we have learned nothing from this damn show it is that NOTHING happens by accident.

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Robert Baratheon was a perpetual drunk. This has been stated many times on the show. Him going out on a hunt fully liquored up was nothing unusual as he was warned about it many times before. People may have had their suspicions but him getting killed by the boar was pure accident.

I completely disagree. There was nothing accidental about that death. It was foreshadowed all over the place, If we have learned nothing from this damn show it is that NOTHING happens by accident.

right episode one, when the starks find a dire wolf dead with 6 pups, and a dead stag

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How has Khaleeshi's rise in soldiers/power not been spread all over Westeros yet? Tywin should be prepping for war with her by now or at least a piece offering.

the Lannisters' indifference to her is a little puzzling to me. as ruthless as they are, I would have thought they would have found a way to assassinate her by now...could have been done easy enough after Drogo died. I'm sure Tywin realizes what a threat she could be because she has a legitimate claim to the throne, and I'm sure he doesn't have any intention of giving up power. now it seems like it's too late...she's got an army, dragons, and 4 bad### warriors to counsel her.
They tried and failed to assassinate her...wasn't that when Drogo was sick? By the time they found out she made it...they probably also found out she was crossing the desert with a small band. But the time they found out about the small dragons....she's a few months away since they have no connections left alive...and they have probably never heard of someone wiping thru the 3 cities she did.Underestimated yes...so they probably wouldnt have payed a ton with their own war...and they probably thought no one could make it thru that...including anyone they sent.
Yeah Robert sent people to killer her and they failed. Maybe Tywin has people looking for her. Looking at the maps she is a long way away from Kings landing and doesn't appear to be headed towards it. The bigger her army gets the longer it will take to move it and support it. She's not a player for the throne right now.
She doesn't just have an army anymore, she has her own civilization developing around her.
Kind of makes you wonder way she would even go back. Has she ever been to Westeros? Why not just stay and rule where she is? Her army is boss she has dragons and the people love her.
It would be hilarious if she just stayed there.
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Outstanding questions, as a TV-only viewer:

  • Who did Jamie "king slay?" Dany's dad?
  • Is Westeros the entire land where all the 7 Kingdoms are, or is it one of the 7? And what are the other 6?
  • Robert had 2 brothers? Stannis and the gay dude that got killed?
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Westeros is a continent, it has 7 kingdoms:

The North(starks),

The riverlands(the Tully),

The vale(the Arynns - where tyrion was held in the sky cells),

The West (lannister lands),

The Reach (Tyrell),

Dorne (not talked about in the show much, havent seen this family yet, Myrcella(Cerseis daughter) was married off by tyrion to them).

The stormlands (Baratheon).

The GreyJoys live in the Iron Islands which is part of the North.

Plus you have north of the wall

There is a grey area called the Crownlands (dont offically count as a kingdom) but it included Kings landing and Dragonstone.

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Westeros is a continent, it has 7 kingdoms:

The North(starks),

The riverlands(the Tyrells), The vale(the Arynns - where tyrion was held in the sky cells),

The West (lannister lands),

The Reach (Tyrell),

Dorne (not talked about in the show much, havent seen this family yet, Myrcella(Cerseis daughter) was married off by tyrion to them).

The stormlands (Baratheon).

The GreyJoys live in the Iron Islands which is part of the North.

Plus you have north of the wall

There is a grey area called the Crownlands (dont offically count as a kingdom) but it included Kings landing and Dragonstone.

The riverlands are the Tullys, not the Tyrells. Other than that you are correct.

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Westeros is a continent, it has 7 kingdoms:

The North(starks),

The riverlands(the Tyrells), The vale(the Arynns - where tyrion was held in the sky cells),

The West (lannister lands),

The Reach (Tyrell),

Dorne (not talked about in the show much, havent seen this family yet, Myrcella(Cerseis daughter) was married off by tyrion to them).

The stormlands (Baratheon).

The GreyJoys live in the Iron Islands which is part of the North.

Plus you have north of the wall

There is a grey area called the Crownlands (dont offically count as a kingdom) but it included Kings landing and Dragonstone.

The riverlands are the Tullys, not the Tyrells. Other than that you are correct.

ah yes, doubled up on tyrells.

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Ned, Varys, and Barristan have a conversation in season 1 regarding the fact that the King's Squire, Lancel Lannister, made a point of making sure Robert never lacked for wine on the hunting trip. Varys basically points it out to the other two, so the question is is Varys just stirring the pot with conjecture, or does he know that there was a concerted effort to keep Robert in his cups in hopes that something bad might happen?

what ever happened to Lancel, forgot about him.

The last I remember of him was during the Battle of Blackwater.

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Ned, Varys, and Barristan have a conversation in season 1 regarding the fact that the King's Squire, Lancel Lannister, made a point of making sure Robert never lacked for wine on the hunting trip. Varys basically points it out to the other two, so the question is is Varys just stirring the pot with conjecture, or does he know that there was a concerted effort to keep Robert in his cups in hopes that something bad might happen?

what ever happened to Lancel, forgot about him.
The last I remember of him was during the Battle of Blackwater.
This would be correct.
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It seemed that Cersei was not so excited to see the stump version of Jamie. I'm guessing they have a falling out and Jamie sides with Tyrion in some sort of family coup.

I took it as shock more than anything. Cersei seems loyal to a fault to her family. I would surprised to see her turn her back on Jamie. If anything, I expect her to want to extract revenge on Bolton and his men for this. Cersei may be a woman, but she is perhaps the most vengeful character in Westeros.
Yea...I'm picturing Boltons hunter without hands and feet.
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More questions:

  • Who was the guy that got married during the Red Wedding? Was he a relative of the Stark's? And did they say he was now a prisoner?
  • Remind me when we have seen Lord Bolton before the Red Wedding?
  • And Lord Bolton's bastard son that was torturing Theon, had we heard about him before or were supposed to know who he was when they finally revealed his name?
  • Were the Joffrey's two siblings (a boy and a girl?) also incest babies, or true Borathian/Lannister kids?
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More questions:

  • Who was the guy that got married during the Red Wedding? Edmure tully
  • Was he a relative of the Stark's? yes Catelyn starks brother
  • And did they say he was now a prisoner? yes, sitting in Walder Freys dungeon
  • Remind me when we have seen Lord Bolton before the Red Wedding? Bolton has been all over the show, pretty much Robb starks right hand man during the entire war. He made the deal with Jamie Lannister and Brienne to let Jamie go to kings landing
  • And Lord Bolton's bastard son that was torturing Theon, had we heard about him before or were supposed to know who he was when they finally revealed his name? Maybe, maybe not, there were clues throughout the show pointing to who he was
  • Were the Joffrey's two siblings (a boy and a girl?) also incest babies, or true Borathian/Lannister kids? well there are no DNA testing in westeros, but based on Cersei comments about losing the black hair kids during birth and the fact they have blonde hair Im guessing so.
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