Official Johnny Manziel Thread (3 Viewers)

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

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Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

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What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

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He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

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Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

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Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

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What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

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Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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Is there any point in in your ramblings where you're going to admit that Manziel is a bonehead and needs to grow up? He was told to lay low over the bye week. The Browns announced him to be their starter for the rest of the year. This was it. His big audition to see if he's capable of being a starting QB in this league. And he just couldn't stay out of the bars. And you have no criticism of him at all. If I was physically smaller and weaker than everyone else who does the job that I want to do, and there was someone I this world willing to give me a chance to do it anyway, I don't care if they demanded I don't drink water or own a puppy. You do what you're told and you don't thumb your nose and act like you're above being told what to do. How many chances do you think this moron deserves?

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McGarnicle said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

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Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

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What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

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Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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Pettine clearly cares more about character and accountability than Jerry Jones. There's a shocker. Plus Hardy is much better at his position than Manziel at this point in their careers.

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dirtyjay said:

jurb26 said:

dirtyjay said:

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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OK, in the NFL talent wins 99.99% of the time. We've seen this with a slew of other guys.Plus, you don't know that talent is the ONLY reason for this. There is likely a lo of things going on behind the scene that aren't public. I'm sure talent is a primary reason.

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If he was throwing for 300 and 3 a game, no one would care and he would be starting. That is my point.

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dirtyjay said:

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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B-Deep said:

http://www.clevelandbrownsonline.com/nfl-jerseys/cleveland-browns/johnny-manziel-jersey.html

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dirtyjay said:

JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

Click to expand...

Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

Click to expand...

What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

Click to expand...

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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Is there any point in in your ramblings where you're going to admit that Manziel is a bonehead and needs to grow up? He was told to lay low over the bye week. The Browns announced him to be their starter for the rest of the year. This was it. His big audition to see if he's capable of being a starting QB in this league. And he just couldn't stay out of the bars. And you have no criticism of him at all. If I was physically smaller and weaker than everyone else who does the job that I want to do, and there was someone I this world willing to give me a chance to do it anyway, I don't care if they demanded I don't drink water or own a puppy. You do what you're told and you don't thumb your nose and act like you're above being told what to do. How many chances do you think this moron deserves?

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You have so much hatred towards the world.

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LittlePhatty said:

dirtyjay said:

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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I don't see anyone here "getting worked up" over his party video, that's quite a stretch. I don't think the general public cares that he parties either. That's not the point. We're just saying it was a really stupid thing for him to go out and allow himself to be filmed boozing it up when the Browns had him on double-secret probation after his stint in rehab.

Hardy is despicable in my opinion and shouldn't be in the league, but that has nothing to do with Manziel or the Browns.

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jurb26 said:

McGarnicle said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

Click to expand...

Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

Click to expand...

What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

Click to expand...

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

Click to expand...

Pettine clearly cares more about character and accountability than Jerry Jones. There's a shocker. Plus Hardy is much better at his position than Manziel at this point in their careers.

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Hardy is a tremendous player. It's highly likely he's better at his position than JF can even dream of being at his.

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JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

Click to expand...

Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

Click to expand...

What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

Click to expand...

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

Click to expand...

Is there any point in in your ramblings where you're going to admit that Manziel is a bonehead and needs to grow up? He was told to lay low over the bye week. The Browns announced him to be their starter for the rest of the year. This was it. His big audition to see if he's capable of being a starting QB in this league. And he just couldn't stay out of the bars. And you have no criticism of him at all. If I was physically smaller and weaker than everyone else who does the job that I want to do, and there was someone I this world willing to give me a chance to do it anyway, I don't care if they demanded I don't drink water or own a puppy. You do what you're told and you don't thumb your nose and act like you're above being told what to do. How many chances do you think this moron deserves?

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You have so much hatred towards the world.

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You seem to be the one who's a little bitter. I'm loving this. Never could stand punks like Manziel.

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dirtyjay said:

jurb26 said:

McGarnicle said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

Click to expand...

Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

Click to expand...

What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

Click to expand...

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

Click to expand...

Pettine clearly cares more about character and accountability than Jerry Jones. There's a shocker. Plus Hardy is much better at his position than Manziel at this point in their careers.

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Hardy is a tremendous player. It's highly likely he's better at his position than JF can even dream of being at his.

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That is my point, please read what I have been saying before commenting.

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JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

jurb26 said:

dirtyjay said:

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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OK, in the NFL talent wins 99.99% of the time. We've seen this with a slew of other guys.Plus, you don't know that talent is the ONLY reason for this. There is likely a lo of things going on behind the scene that aren't public. I'm sure talent is a primary reason.

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If he was throwing for 300 and 3 a game, no one would care and he would be starting. That is my point.

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You've finally figured out the Barry Bonds rule. Bonds was always a surly, miserable jerk. Teammates didn't like him. But he was a great all around player and 30-30 guy the first half of his career and a phenomenal power hitter when he was all jacked up on roids. So he was always going to have a job. As soon as he got a little older and he wasn't cracking out 50+ home runs anymore (and wasn't offering the ticket sales/TV viewers of the home run chase) he was unceremoniously unsigned by the Giants and no other team wanted him either. Hardy is Steroids Bonds. Manziel is washed up Bonds.

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B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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dirtyjay said:

JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

Click to expand...

Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

Click to expand...

What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

Click to expand...

He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

Click to expand...

Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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Is there any point in in your ramblings where you're going to admit that Manziel is a bonehead and needs to grow up? He was told to lay low over the bye week. The Browns announced him to be their starter for the rest of the year. This was it. His big audition to see if he's capable of being a starting QB in this league. And he just couldn't stay out of the bars. And you have no criticism of him at all. If I was physically smaller and weaker than everyone else who does the job that I want to do, and there was someone I this world willing to give me a chance to do it anyway, I don't care if they demanded I don't drink water or own a puppy. You do what you're told and you don't thumb your nose and act like you're above being told what to do. How many chances do you think this moron deserves?

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You have so much hatred towards the world.

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You seem to be the one who's a little bitter. I'm loving this. Never could stand punks like Manziel.

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Are you kidding me? lol You call me bitter in defending a kid and then in your response continue to have more hatred right after you deny you have hatred. Amazing.

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Apple Jack said:

dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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If you think he's losing his starting gig for singing and dancing, I don't know what to say.

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Apple Jack said:

dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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If you think he's losing his starting gig for singing and dancing, I don't know what to say.

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dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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Willie Neslon said:

If he was drinking a glass of red wine and singing Sweet Caroline in that video would he still have lost his job?

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dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

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Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

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What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

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jurb26 said:

Apple Jack said:

dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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If you think he's losing his starting gig for singing and dancing, I don't know what to say.

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This.

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Willie Neslon said:

If he was drinking a glass of red wine and singing Sweet Caroline in that video would he still have lost his job?

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dirtyjay said:

jurb26 said:

Apple Jack said:

dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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If you think he's losing his starting gig for singing and dancing, I don't know what to say.

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This.

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You are missing my point that I have been banging. When ever anyone defends anyone they always miss the point because they are so quick to respond.

If he was throwing for 300 and 3 his singing dancing and drinking would not be a problem.

How on this planet are you not seeing that as a talent based point? Especially when I put it in all cap earlier.

Some need to read comments before the respond.

They are not dealing with it because he is Johnny. The coach dont like him, that is clear. What is minced in my point?

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B-Deep said:

The sad part is...

he's gonna be a freaking Cowboy next season

:(

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dirtyjay said:

Willie Neslon said:

If he was drinking a glass of red wine and singing Sweet Caroline in that video would he still have lost his job?

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Not if he was throwing for 300 and 3 every week.

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SaintsInDome2006 said:

B-Deep said:

The sad part is...

he's gonna be a freaking Cowboy next season

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He won't have to fly as far to party then.

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franchise punter said:

The guy represents the franchise. A quarterback for even a bad team like the Browns is very visible to the public eye and carries a space in the public consciousness. At this point, it should be clear this guy is an addict. He’s not someone like you and I who can go out and have a few drinks every other weekend and go about himself in a regular way the following day. He needs something to crutch onto. It may not even be alcohol, but it is something that is causing some self-destructive behavior in a way that you nor I could even fully understand.

That’s why it’s a big deal that he’s ‘singing and dancing.’ Personally, I don’t give a crap, no. But I haven’t invested time, energy and resources into this dude getting his #### together besides buying his rookie card.

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dirtyjay said:

jurb26 said:

Apple Jack said:

dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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If you think he's losing his starting gig for singing and dancing, I don't know what to say.

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This.

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You are missing my point that I have been banging. When ever anyone defends anyone they always miss the point because they are so quick to respond.

If he was throwing for 300 and 3 his singing dancing and drinking would not be a problem.

How on this planet are you not seeing that as a talent based point? Especially when I put it in all cap earlier.

Some need to read comments before the respond.

They are not dealing with it because he is Johnny. The coach dont like him, that is clear. What is minced in my point?

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JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

JuniorNB said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

franchise punter said:

dirtyjay said:

The NFL and the media is so dramatic, and the Browns are a terrible franchise.

Anyone who cares about a video that no one knows when it was taken in where a young man was drinking and dancing are the ones with the real issues.

Hardy can beat women, make a mockery of the league and get millions, but JFF cant dance and drink without getting benched.

I do not like JFF but he is getting very shady deal.

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Again, this is about showing respect for your employer and being a professional. If your boss gave you an ultimatum to lay low over the holiday, you damn better comply if you care about your job.

Johnny doesn't give a crap about what you or I or Mary Kay Cabot think, which is fine, and maybe commendable, but he doesn't give a crap what the Browns think either. He's done nothing to suggest he'll care what any other team thinks should he get picked up.

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What about his employer showing JFF some respect and let him live his life a little bit? The Browns need to worry about trying to get wins,not be role models. The end game is a super bowl, not moral award of the year.

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He lost that privilege after the money phone, floating on the swan, oversleeping a walkthrough because he was hungover, going to rehab, etc. There's more than enough evidence to say this is Johnny's fault.

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Greg Hardy beat a woman missed practice and still makes million and is a starter. Do you see why JFF is benched and Hardy isnt?

TALENT. Only reason. He was singing and dancing. The fact people get worked up about that shows how sensitive some are.

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Is there any point in in your ramblings where you're going to admit that Manziel is a bonehead and needs to grow up? He was told to lay low over the bye week. The Browns announced him to be their starter for the rest of the year. This was it. His big audition to see if he's capable of being a starting QB in this league. And he just couldn't stay out of the bars. And you have no criticism of him at all. If I was physically smaller and weaker than everyone else who does the job that I want to do, and there was someone I this world willing to give me a chance to do it anyway, I don't care if they demanded I don't drink water or own a puppy. You do what you're told and you don't thumb your nose and act like you're above being told what to do. How many chances do you think this moron deserves?

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You have so much hatred towards the world.

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You seem to be the one who's a little bitter. I'm loving this. Never could stand punks like Manziel.

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dirtyjay said:

B-Deep said:

Personally I think this move makes the Browns franchise look better, i think almost everyone does (other than a small number of JFF groupies)

which is the point

It doesn't make them better on the field, but it sure doesn't make them worse

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No one knows what JFF is really capable of.

I dont like the kid that much either, but to lose your starting gig for singing and dancing is, I dont what to say. Its truly amazing what people care about.

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You are missing my point that I have been banging. When ever anyone defends anyone they always miss the point because they are so quick to respond.

If he was throwing for 300 and 3 his singing dancing and drinking would not be a problem.

How on this planet are you not seeing that as a talent based point? Especially when I put it in all cap earlier.

Some need to read comments before the respond.

They are not dealing with it because he is Johnny. The coach dont like him, that is clear. What is minced in my point?

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Clev currently has the #1 pick so it's hard to imagin they aren't going to be picking a franchise QB this coming April.

I think all this final game stretch was really doing was looking to confirm if JF was or was not that guy. They probably feel they got the answer without having to let it play out.

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jurb26 said:

dirtyjay said:

You are missing my point that I have been banging. When ever anyone defends anyone they always miss the point because they are so quick to respond.

If he was throwing for 300 and 3 his singing dancing and drinking would not be a problem.

How on this planet are you not seeing that as a talent based point? Especially when I put it in all cap earlier.

Some need to read comments before the respond.

They are not dealing with it because he is Johnny. The coach dont like him, that is clear. What is minced in my point?

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I don't know what you're talking about. I've already said it is largely about talent. I believe I said it was a primary reason. I also said talent wins 99.99% of the time. You don't seem to be reading what I'm typing...Why does some fictional scenario of JF passing for 300/3 a game matter here? He's not and he's not shown to be a good NFL QB. Pretty much everyone agrees that IF he was a good QB this isn't likely happening. He not a good QB and he keeps screwing up.

Oh and I'm sure this behavior would still be a problem for Clev if he was good. It just wouldn't be enough to warrant this same reaction. Teams are willing to deal with dummies as long as they can play.

Clev has tried to deal with him, multiple times. That's been layed out already. You seem intent on ignoring it and acting like this is about him harmlessly singing, dancing and having beers. Clearly you can see its escalated to this point based on several past transgressions.

So yeah, maybe Clev isn't dealing with it anymore. Maybe they have finally grown tired of coddling a poor player that keeps causing distractions on their team.

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Willie Neslon said:

When you're sitting there on Thanksgiving night watching Brett Favre being inducted into the Packer's HoF think about some of the stuff that guy was probably doing throughout his career. And he was married. He's being given the teams highest honor, on a holiday no less when the whole country will be watching. Then think about Manziel being publicly vilified for holding a bottle, lip syncing to some rap in a bar and losing his job and maybe his career. Doesn't seem fair.

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When you're sitting there on Thanksgiving night watching Brett Favre being inducted into the Packer's HoF think about some of the stuff that guy was probably doing throughout his career. And he was married. He's being given the teams highest honor, on a holiday no less when the whole country will be watching. Then think about Manziel being publicly vilified for holding a bottle, lip syncing to some rap in a bar and losing his job and maybe his career. Doesn't seem fair.

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SaintsInDome2006 said:

Willie Neslon said:

When you're sitting there on Thanksgiving night watching Brett Favre being inducted into the Packer's HoF think about some of the stuff that guy was probably doing throughout his career. And he was married. He's being given the teams highest honor, on a holiday no less when the whole country will be watching. Then think about Manziel being publicly vilified for holding a bottle, lip syncing to some rap in a bar and losing his job and maybe his career. Doesn't seem fair.

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You really think Favre didn't know his reads or didn't put in the work or let his addictions get in the way of what he was doing on the field? It's not a moral thing. John Manziell cannot drink and quarterback. Can't do it. He maybe can do it for a game or two or more but eventually his problem will catch up with him on the field. I guarantee you the Browns know this has been affecting what he does for a living.

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SaintsInDome2006 said:

Willie Neslon said:

When you're sitting there on Thanksgiving night watching Brett Favre being inducted into the Packer's HoF think about some of the stuff that guy was probably doing throughout his career. And he was married. He's being given the teams highest honor, on a holiday no less when the whole country will be watching. Then think about Manziel being publicly vilified for holding a bottle, lip syncing to some rap in a bar and losing his job and maybe his career. Doesn't seem fair.

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You really think Favre didn't know his reads or didn't put in the work or let his addictions get in the way of what he was doing on the field? It's not a moral thing. John Manziell cannot drink and quarterback. Can't do it. He maybe can do it for a game or two or more but eventually his problem will catch up with him on the field. I guarantee you the Browns know this has been affecting what he does for a living.

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Gotta think his debut against Cincy last year was a culmination of his attitude, drinking, partying and general lack of commitment to the pro game and what it takes to be successful at the pro level. Not a revelation I know.

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dirtyjay said:

He is not liked, for that he has not got a chance. For that he gets hated at on the internet, rightfully so.

But this is football, I do not care about what he does off the field short of criminal activity.

I just wanted to see him get a real chance to show what he can do over a length of a season.

He did not deserve to lose his starting gig because of a video that shows him singing and dancing or because he loves to party.

Haters will hate, as this thread shows. But I like football and I like to see football players get a chance if they have talent and he has some.

He is the only reason anyone talks about the Browns.

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