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24 minutes ago, Greg Russell said:

I really hope this stuff with the girlfriend isn't true.  I've never been a fan of his at all, but you could at least hope the majority of his problem was an addiction to the limelight rather than a serious crippling drug or alcohol addiction.

But this stuff, if true, is just all kinds of messed up. Never really had thought of him as a bad guy before, just one who didn't care about anything but his partying and being big man on campus. This casts him in a different light if true.

At this point, the no charges/delay has to be in his favor, doesn't it? 

Greg, you remember Leinart I'm sure...can you think of any other NFL QBs famous for partying after college? Our society with head cheerleader and QB probably makes it pretty great to be a stud QB at a party, something 'every' hormone filled college kid would aspire to be in some fashion, but at the same time I can't think of any famous NFL partiers other than Manziel and Leinart. 

My gut says it's gotta be common and they just hid it well or didn't act like a baffoon to get noticed. 

If some draft prospect is a partier, is that a red flag now?

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RIP

His argument is pretty ridiculous, but there's really no reason to bring up Ferguson or the I can't breathe protests in response. Pretty poor taste here guys.

3 hours ago, Bri said:

At this point, the no charges/delay has to be in his favor, doesn't it? 

Greg, you remember Leinart I'm sure...can you think of any other NFL QBs famous for partying after college? Our society with head cheerleader and QB probably makes it pretty great to be a stud QB at a party, something 'every' hormone filled college kid would aspire to be in some fashion, but at the same time I can't think of any famous NFL partiers other than Manziel and Leinart. 

My gut says it's gotta be common and they just hid it well or didn't act like a baffoon to get noticed. 

If some draft prospect is a partier, is that a red flag now?

I don't think it is a question of "partier or not a partier".  More a question of how much does the person have to grow as a QB to be successful in the NFL, and do you see things from his time in college that make you think he's going to put in the effort? 

Other QBs can spend plenty of free time partying but still devote themselves to the needs of football when it is time for it. They can gain the confidence of their coaches and teammates by the work and preparation they put in during the hours where it's needed. Does he have the mental temperament to lead a team, including leading them when the chips are down?

I think the book on Manziel as a prospect was closer to the opposite of that. And if a prospect is worse than others at things like reading defenses and hasn't given you confidence he can run an offense competently instead of succeeding through freelancing it, then it becomes even more important that you see he's got the dedication to the sport that is necessary, because he has more to learn than the rest. Partying was one example of Manziel's perceived immaturity but I don't think it was the only one. If he had been a hard worker who had done more to learn the craft of being a QB, I don't think it would be a very big issue.

Not to say teams won't look at partying, because they look at everything. But I don't see Manziel's failure making enjoyment of partying a humongous X anywhere it comes up again. Maybe for a few years it'll get increased scrutiny, dunno.

 

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4 hours ago, Greg Russell said:

Never really had thought of him as a bad guy before, just one who didn't care about anything but his partying and being big man on campus. This casts him in a different light if true.

It's kind of always been there though.  I remember reading something about his dad saying that Johnny would use anger to avoid stuff.  Dad would try to tell him something, Johnny would freak out, and dad would back off.  It's worked his whole life.

I was always hoping he'd get it together so we could see what he actually was as an NFL player.

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Greg, you remember Leinart I'm sure...can you think of any other NFL QBs famous for partying after college?

Cutler and Stafford - I don't think it's coincidence they both have tremendous arms.

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8 hours ago, The Man With No Name said:

And how does it not answer and relate to your question, other than I'm not Greg? ( Greg, you remember Leinart I'm sure...can you think of any other NFL QBs famous for partying after college? ) 

That is true, thank you for posting them

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14 hours ago, Old Smiley said:

It's kind of always been there though.  I remember reading something about his dad saying that Johnny would use anger to avoid stuff. Dad would try to tell him something, Johnny would freak out, and dad would back off.  It's worked his whole life.

I was always hoping he'd get it together so we could see what he actually was as an NFL player.

Assuming the bold is true, it adds to the preconception that his dad is partly to blame for Johnny being a schmuck.  

Not to excuse Johnny at all but parenting matters. 

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33 minutes ago, FUBAR said:

Assuming the bold is true, it adds to the preconception that his dad is partly to blame for Johnny being a schmuck.  

Not to excuse Johnny at all but parenting matters. 

I mean of course his dad is partly to blame. He raised him! And no that doesn't excuse anything at all. We are all responsible for our own actions no matter how terrible of a childhood we had. And yes, getting everything you want all the time because your parents are afraid of your tantrums is a terrible childhood.

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2 hours ago, fantasycurse42 said:

:lmao:

At this point, there's pretty much no headline containing the name "Johnny Manziel" that I'd be unwilling to believe.  He's like the Florida Man of the NFL.

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It seems that he has honestly moved on from football. Given that his family is rich and he was certainly raised in an affluent manner, I almost believe that his goal was to make it to the NFL just to show he could. Now that he has, he is moving on to something else. He obviously couldn't care less about the money. He knows thanks to daddy, he is set. He'll inherit way more than he'd ever earn in the NFL someday. So why bother?

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2 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

It seems that he has honestly moved on from football. Given that his family is rich and he was certainly raised in an affluent manner, I almost believe that his goal was to make it to the NFL just to show he could. Now that he has, he is moving on to something else. He obviously couldn't care less about the money. He knows thanks to daddy, he is set. He'll inherit way more than he'd ever earn in the NFL someday. So why bother?

That's a bold statement, how much money does his family have? 

A solid NFL QB plus endorsements can earn $200M easily in their career.

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1 hour ago, fantasycurse42 said:

That's a bold statement, how much money does his family have? 

A solid NFL QB plus endorsements can earn $200M easily in their career.

Does it matter? Let's say he knows he'll inherit $100M by doing nothing, partying, blow, hookers. Why would you have any interest in subjecting yourself to the punishment a body takes playing in the NFL? He'll be set for life. He's not worried about money.

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4 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

It seems that he has honestly moved on from football. Given that his family is rich and he was certainly raised in an affluent manner, I almost believe that his goal was to make it to the NFL just to show he could. Now that he has, he is moving on to something else. He obviously couldn't care less about the money. He knows thanks to daddy, he is set. He'll inherit way more than he'd ever earn in the NFL someday. So why bother?

wait, when did he show he could make it in the NFL?

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37 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

Does it matter? Let's say he knows he'll inherit $100M by doing nothing, partying, blow, hookers. Why would you have any interest in subjecting yourself to the punishment a body takes playing in the NFL? He'll be set for life. He's not worried about money.

I've always read his family is affluent, never looked into the details. It's one thing to be well off and have $5-$10M... Nine figures is another stratosphere, he comes from money like that?

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4 hours ago, The Man With No Name said:

Don't know if this article was ever posted here or not. Manziel family larger than life. Good read

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/article/Manziel-family-was-larger-than-life-long-before-4723092.php

Makes his little money gesture about a million times more douchey than it already was. Wow

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Greg Russell said:

Hard to believe it's come to this. I mean, he wore a helmet and pads during his pro day after all!

Ha, I'd forgotten about that! Probably worth noting when that happens next. 

 

ETA: going back to watch ESPN's coverage of his pro day is painful. Burmeister claims Manziel has more arm talent than Kaepernick and Wilson, and he isn't laughed out of the building by Warner and Mayock. Oof. 

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2 hours ago, bostonfred said:

Manziel isn't failing because of his lack of elite talent.   He's failing because of his elite lack of desire. 

And if that didn't get in the way he would end up failing because he isn't good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL.  Kid had college talent but I seriously doubted his NFL talent.  The crazy thing is I'm not surprised but this outcome and had a feeling he would screw up.  There were plenty of red flags.

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Oh,  I'm not defending him or defending the pick.  I'm just saying I can understand why someone would have been enamored with him in the late first and why the pundits would have agreed.  The red flags were apparent and that's for someone who didn't have massive resources to do research on him before picking him. 

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On 3/2/2016 at 9:44 PM, amnesiac said:

wait, when did he show he could make it in the NFL?

Draft day. I didn't say be successful. Someone probably said "I'll bet you a couple shots that you can never make it to the NFL." Johnny said "I'll take that bet!" And the rest is history.

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On March 2, 2016 at 10:31 AM, bostonfred said:

Oh,  I'm not defending him or defending the pick.  I'm just saying I can understand why someone would have been enamored with him in the late first and why the pundits would have agreed.  The red flags were apparent and that's for someone who didn't have massive resources to do research on him before picking him. 

Pre-draft, His father said he was a disaster in waiting :lmao:

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12 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Draft day. I didn't say be successful. Someone probably said "I'll bet you a couple shots that you can never make it to the NFL." Johnny said "I'll take that bet!" And the rest is history.

ah, so you meant make it TO the NFL.  

that makes more sense.  

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I'm in the camp of he was not that great of a quarterback coming out. He threw off his back foot way to much and turned his back to defenders a ton which will get you killed in today's NFL. Mike Evans made him look good in the passing game more times than not. Johnny does have great vision and can make good cuts as a runner and in open space can create havoc. Could he convert to a slot wr?? He has to get his head screwed on straight before he can even live a normal life. I think when it is all said and done his up bringing and life in general has been messed up a very long time. My guess is his brain has been scrambled since a very young age. More will come out later about Johnny and there will be a ton of head scratching as to how he got so far being as messed up as he is. I really hope he turns his life around, but I think the odds are stacked against him.

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Sounds like it comes down to whether they think he'll get hit by some punishment by the league.  If he does they can recoup some bonus money from him if he's on the roster, but not if he's been released already.

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