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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (4 Viewers)
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
How does a facsimile ever outshine the original? Just looking for a reference point, but in your case, the reference point keeps moving.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Keep in mind kiper also said jimmy clausen would be all pro.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Well JF is supposed to be Russel Wilson like.. They have a lot in common. Shaw is a better passer. No one cares because TMZ wasn't at his last party with cameras.Common opponents in 2013 (Missouri, Miss State, Arkansas, Vandy) comparison:
73.3% Comp. Pct., 12 TD/4 INT, 11.8 yards per completion, 34.5 ry/pg, 0TD = Manziel
66.0% Comp. Pct., 13 TD/0 INT, 12.2 yards per completion, 24.8 ry/pg, 1 TD = Shaw
And he is taller, bigger with no character flaws. Some things about the NFL I will never understand.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
This guy may be a great QB, i am not sure
i am pretty damn sure he is a major ###
you can learn to love an ### who wins for your team, but nothing is worse than an ### who doesn;t win for your team
at this point the winning or not is unknown, but the ### part is a constant
given that, i want him no where near any team i like
i am pretty damn sure he is a major ###
you can learn to love an ### who wins for your team, but nothing is worse than an ### who doesn;t win for your team
at this point the winning or not is unknown, but the ### part is a constant
given that, i want him no where near any team i like
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I really would like the Jags to draft him, it would give me a reason to watch their games.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Clowney would be tempting, but he could easily be gone by 1.3, he seems to be a near unanimous pick as the most talented prospect in the draft. If Manziel were there (he also could be gone), he might remind HC Bradley somewhat of Wilson (though different intangibles).
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
If the Jags come out with either Manziel, Clowney, or Bridgewater, I'll be a happy man.
If they get that weapon or whatever he was called and Ace to run around while their big WRs get it done....that could be fun to watch. Their short players are quite dynamic runners.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
NFL.com scout Daniel Jeremiah has my favorite scouting profile of Manziel so far, in his top 50 prospect list released 1-15-14. It resonates with some on the board who have said he is one of the best at evading the rush since Tarkenton, and that his arm strength and accuracy are better than some may think. Also, he will need to tone down the running beyond the LOS.
"Manziel is the most creative quarterback I've evaluated in the last 10 years. He has an uncanny ability to feel pressure, escape the pocket, and make accurate throws on the move. He is also very skilled from inside the pocket. He has a live arm and is very accurate to all three levels despite throwing from a variety of platforms and arm angles. As a runner, he is sudden and is able to make defenders miss without gearing down. His lack of size and aggressive running style is the main concern. He seeks out contact as a runner. That has to change at the next level."
http://www.nfl.com/top50
"Manziel is the most creative quarterback I've evaluated in the last 10 years. He has an uncanny ability to feel pressure, escape the pocket, and make accurate throws on the move. He is also very skilled from inside the pocket. He has a live arm and is very accurate to all three levels despite throwing from a variety of platforms and arm angles. As a runner, he is sudden and is able to make defenders miss without gearing down. His lack of size and aggressive running style is the main concern. He seeks out contact as a runner. That has to change at the next level."
http://www.nfl.com/top50
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am guessing everyone has seen this documentary on Manziel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsJJSEDISbo
George Whitfield believes he can succeed at the next level and Whitfield opinion matters because he has worked with Cam and Luck. I can't deny that the kid is super competitive and willing to put in the work to succeed.
George Whitfield believes he can succeed at the next level and Whitfield opinion matters because he has worked with Cam and Luck. I can't deny that the kid is super competitive and willing to put in the work to succeed.
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I didn't see this. Thanks for posting it. I have a problem with this style, because I'm afraid he won't last taking hits from the big dogs in the NFL. His height is also a concern, despite other people jumping out of their pants to cite Brees, I understand that Brees is the exception not the rule. He's a d-bag, but I don't care about that as far as imagining his pro prospects. It's nice to see how driven he is. That's great!Donnybrook said:
Does anyone know if he's ever played in bad weather? Rain/snow?
RUSF18
Footballguy
And also keep in mind Kiper had been accused of favoritism toward Clausen's agent and his clients.
Faust
MVP
Raiders shooting for playmaker like Johnny Manziel, GM saysBy Dan Greenspan
College Football 24/7 writer
College Football 24/7 writer
Faust
MVP
Johnny Manziel could be pocket passer, according to statisticsBy Dan Greenspan
College Football 24/7 writer
College Football 24/7 writer
matuski
Footballguy
Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Ever here of a joke?Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.
matuski
Footballguy
You are referring to the bolded I assume?Ever here of a joke?Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
moving onYou are referring to the bolded I assume?Ever here of a joke?Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.
B-Deep
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
LSU was excellent two years in a row holding Johnny in check, but this last game I felt the weather may have had as much to do with it as anything else.
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Faust
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Phenix
Footballguy
Will the Texans really spend the 1st overall pick on this guy? I think he has potential but the 1st overall pick?
Might as well trade down, he may fall, no?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
One thing that makes me think is that 2 of his key offensive teammates (OT & WR) are also projected to go in the top half of the 1st round.
pantherclub
Footballguy
and his size and his immaturity.Leroy Hoard said:
pantherclub
Footballguy
in that pic he looks tiny
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Russ Lande breaks him down.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67254668/nfl-%20prospect-profile-quarterback-Johnny-Manziel
January 30, 2014
Prospect Profile: Johnny Manziel By Russ LandeLeading up to the Super Bowl, Sports on Earth will be offering up an introduction to five players who we are confident will be selected within the top 10 picks of the 2014 NFL draft, what NFL teams know about them and what they want to find out. We started on Monday with a look at University of Buffalo defensive end/outside linebacker Khalil Mack, then on Tuesday we focused the spotlight on Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. On Wednesday, we took aim at UCLA defensive end/outside linebacker Anthony Barr, and today we take on the "elephant in the room," Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel.
When you watch a football game on television, it is usually easy to get an impression as to whether a quarterback has the tools to play in the NFL. With Manziel, however, it takes a lot more time studying film and breaking him down to determine what his NFL future holds. I have spoken with numerous respected NFL scouts about him, and it's an understatement to say that opinions are split. A few have told me they feel he is the best quarterback in the draft, which is high praise indeed. But on the other hand, others have actually said they would not draft him. Needless to say, opinions split that drastically on a player are rare.
The first thing that grabbed my attention is that Manziel definitely has what scouts call a "plus arm," which means he can make every NFL throw with ease. While he often looks like he is playing schoolyard football, he has consistently shown quickness in getting rid of the ball and can make throws to lead receivers that few other passers can. Both in the pocket and on the move,
Manziel's ability to throw accurately 16-plus yards downfield is outstanding, and you can see from watching film that he has spent a lot of time working with his receivers, as their timing on back-shoulder throws is remarkable. Although some of his moves to escape sacks will get him killed in the NFL, he does possess a rare ability to avoid pressure and sacks to buy himself a second chance that can extend plays longer than any quarterback I have ever evaluated.
Having to throw as many passes as he did, it's also impressive that Manziel throws few, if any, passes that defenders can get their hands on. Of the top five quarterbacks I have evaluated so far (Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Bridgewater, Zach Mettenberger and Manziel), he has the lowest error/interception rate of any of them. Not only does Manziel have the passing skills to succeed in the NFL, but his ability to lead his team and carry them on his back to comebacks consistently has been incredible.
After evaluating film, I was shocked by how good Manziel is as a passer, but that's often not what people associate with him when his name comes up. Despite the media reports, nearly everything I have been able to dig up on Manziel's character has been positive. (Having worked for two NFL teams, I completely understand that scouts lie to media all the time to deceive and hide intentions, but I have tremendous confidence in my sources on this subject.) No one I spoke to will deny that Manziel can act like a spoiled kid who is still maturing as a young man, but none expressed great concern about his true character, with the consensus being that football is very important to Manziel and that he consistently does more than is asked to make sure he is successful.
Manziel is viewed within the program as a rare competitor who will do anything to succeed, and this shows in his willingness to play through pain and confront teammates when needed as leaders must do. One thing that shocked me when speaking to scouts is that prior to practice and games, Manziel actually goes through the process of making tough throws from awkward positions when he cannot set his feet and this shows up in his ability to make great throws despite terrible positioning. Not that his raw footwork is good when he has a clean pocket or time and space to reset feet, but it clearly pays dividends when outside the pocket.
Apart from positive character reports, scouts definitely expressed some real concerns that he must address in order to be as successful in the NFL as he was in college. High on that list is Manziel's tendency to overstride when trying to put extra zip on the ball, which leads to passes sailing on him. When he goes through progressions in the pocket and tries to make short (5 to 15 yard) throws quickly, his accuracy is inconsistent and too often his passes dip in front of the receiver. One issue that I found very concerning on film and addressed with NFL people is Manziel's tendency to vacate the pocket out the back, which rarely works in the NFL and can lead to major errors. He will need to become much more consistent stepping up in the pocket to avoid deep pressure if he hopes to become a successful NFL passer.
The last thing scouts raised as an issue is that Manziel is not especially large for a quarterback and needs to learn to get down or out of bounds when running with the ball. Otherwise, he will expose himself to too many violent hits, which will cause his body to break down if he does not learn to better protect himself. (Russell Wilson is a great example of a player who gains yards scrambling with the ball, but is so smart that he rarely takes a hard hit.)
Despite all of the analysis and my thorough charting out of Manziel, the debate about his likelihood for success in the NFL will likely continue until he proves himself or fails. Whatever team drafts him better have a smart offensive coordinator whose ego is not so big that he will force Manziel to fit his system. He will need to be willing to tailor an offense around Manziel's very unique skill set in order for them both to be successful.
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Russ Lande writes about college scouting and the NFL draft for Sports on Earth. He is GM jr. scouting and college scouting director for the CFL's Montreal Alouettes and the Big 10 Network. He is a former scout for the Cleveland Browns and former scouting administrator for the St. Louis Rams. You can follow him @RUSSLANDE.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67254668/nfl-%20prospect-profile-quarterback-Johnny-Manziel
January 30, 2014
Prospect Profile: Johnny Manziel By Russ LandeLeading up to the Super Bowl, Sports on Earth will be offering up an introduction to five players who we are confident will be selected within the top 10 picks of the 2014 NFL draft, what NFL teams know about them and what they want to find out. We started on Monday with a look at University of Buffalo defensive end/outside linebacker Khalil Mack, then on Tuesday we focused the spotlight on Louisville quarterback Teddy Bridgewater. On Wednesday, we took aim at UCLA defensive end/outside linebacker Anthony Barr, and today we take on the "elephant in the room," Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel.
When you watch a football game on television, it is usually easy to get an impression as to whether a quarterback has the tools to play in the NFL. With Manziel, however, it takes a lot more time studying film and breaking him down to determine what his NFL future holds. I have spoken with numerous respected NFL scouts about him, and it's an understatement to say that opinions are split. A few have told me they feel he is the best quarterback in the draft, which is high praise indeed. But on the other hand, others have actually said they would not draft him. Needless to say, opinions split that drastically on a player are rare.
The first thing that grabbed my attention is that Manziel definitely has what scouts call a "plus arm," which means he can make every NFL throw with ease. While he often looks like he is playing schoolyard football, he has consistently shown quickness in getting rid of the ball and can make throws to lead receivers that few other passers can. Both in the pocket and on the move,
Manziel's ability to throw accurately 16-plus yards downfield is outstanding, and you can see from watching film that he has spent a lot of time working with his receivers, as their timing on back-shoulder throws is remarkable. Although some of his moves to escape sacks will get him killed in the NFL, he does possess a rare ability to avoid pressure and sacks to buy himself a second chance that can extend plays longer than any quarterback I have ever evaluated.
Having to throw as many passes as he did, it's also impressive that Manziel throws few, if any, passes that defenders can get their hands on. Of the top five quarterbacks I have evaluated so far (Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Bridgewater, Zach Mettenberger and Manziel), he has the lowest error/interception rate of any of them. Not only does Manziel have the passing skills to succeed in the NFL, but his ability to lead his team and carry them on his back to comebacks consistently has been incredible.
After evaluating film, I was shocked by how good Manziel is as a passer, but that's often not what people associate with him when his name comes up. Despite the media reports, nearly everything I have been able to dig up on Manziel's character has been positive. (Having worked for two NFL teams, I completely understand that scouts lie to media all the time to deceive and hide intentions, but I have tremendous confidence in my sources on this subject.) No one I spoke to will deny that Manziel can act like a spoiled kid who is still maturing as a young man, but none expressed great concern about his true character, with the consensus being that football is very important to Manziel and that he consistently does more than is asked to make sure he is successful.
Manziel is viewed within the program as a rare competitor who will do anything to succeed, and this shows in his willingness to play through pain and confront teammates when needed as leaders must do. One thing that shocked me when speaking to scouts is that prior to practice and games, Manziel actually goes through the process of making tough throws from awkward positions when he cannot set his feet and this shows up in his ability to make great throws despite terrible positioning. Not that his raw footwork is good when he has a clean pocket or time and space to reset feet, but it clearly pays dividends when outside the pocket.
Apart from positive character reports, scouts definitely expressed some real concerns that he must address in order to be as successful in the NFL as he was in college. High on that list is Manziel's tendency to overstride when trying to put extra zip on the ball, which leads to passes sailing on him. When he goes through progressions in the pocket and tries to make short (5 to 15 yard) throws quickly, his accuracy is inconsistent and too often his passes dip in front of the receiver. One issue that I found very concerning on film and addressed with NFL people is Manziel's tendency to vacate the pocket out the back, which rarely works in the NFL and can lead to major errors. He will need to become much more consistent stepping up in the pocket to avoid deep pressure if he hopes to become a successful NFL passer.
The last thing scouts raised as an issue is that Manziel is not especially large for a quarterback and needs to learn to get down or out of bounds when running with the ball. Otherwise, he will expose himself to too many violent hits, which will cause his body to break down if he does not learn to better protect himself. (Russell Wilson is a great example of a player who gains yards scrambling with the ball, but is so smart that he rarely takes a hard hit.)
Despite all of the analysis and my thorough charting out of Manziel, the debate about his likelihood for success in the NFL will likely continue until he proves himself or fails. Whatever team drafts him better have a smart offensive coordinator whose ego is not so big that he will force Manziel to fit his system. He will need to be willing to tailor an offense around Manziel's very unique skill set in order for them both to be successful.
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Russ Lande writes about college scouting and the NFL draft for Sports on Earth. He is GM jr. scouting and college scouting director for the CFL's Montreal Alouettes and the Big 10 Network. He is a former scout for the Cleveland Browns and former scouting administrator for the St. Louis Rams. You can follow him @RUSSLANDE.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Russ Lande begins by stating that 'opinions are split' on Johnny Manziel and the comments made on Manziel show that their not a consensus opinion of him.
John McClain is on-top of the QB chatter. He feels the Texans will take a QB with the top pick and he thinks that 3 of the QBs will be gone in the first 4 picks. He also seems to think the Rams won't trade-down but will take OT Jake Mathews and I think that makes a lot of sense.
The one point that McClain makes is that teams have not set their boards yet. He mentions how RG III shot up draft boards when he blew everyone away at the Combine during the interview proccess.
Really ineresting set of tweets from McClain this morning.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL1 hr
Gil Brandt on Manziel: "He's like Tarkenton. Only better." Uh, Gil, Fran Tarkenton is in the Hall of Fame. "I know. And I mean what I say."
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Alex Riley@alexriley19951 hr
@McClain_on_NFL @RapSheet He's WAY off on his analysis.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL47m
It's interesting how many think they have the QBs already ranked when there's so much more to go in the scouting process.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL47 mins
I remember few thinking RG3 would be a high No. 1 pick until he blew away everyone with a magnificent pro day and his stock soared.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL46 mins
I think the top 3 QBs will be gone by the 4th pick. And Rams take OT Jake Matthews.
John McClain is on-top of the QB chatter. He feels the Texans will take a QB with the top pick and he thinks that 3 of the QBs will be gone in the first 4 picks. He also seems to think the Rams won't trade-down but will take OT Jake Mathews and I think that makes a lot of sense.
The one point that McClain makes is that teams have not set their boards yet. He mentions how RG III shot up draft boards when he blew everyone away at the Combine during the interview proccess.
Really ineresting set of tweets from McClain this morning.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL1 hr
Gil Brandt on Manziel: "He's like Tarkenton. Only better." Uh, Gil, Fran Tarkenton is in the Hall of Fame. "I know. And I mean what I say."
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Alex Riley@alexriley19951 hr
@McClain_on_NFL @RapSheet He's WAY off on his analysis.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL47m
It's interesting how many think they have the QBs already ranked when there's so much more to go in the scouting process.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL47 mins
I remember few thinking RG3 would be a high No. 1 pick until he blew away everyone with a magnificent pro day and his stock soared.
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John McClain@McClain_on_NFL46 mins
I think the top 3 QBs will be gone by the 4th pick. And Rams take OT Jake Matthews.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Waldman just posted a thorough analysis of Manziel with an interesting comparison to Muhammad Ali.
Detailed article with videos to provide examples before Matt gives his analsis so go to the link for the full-read and vdieo accompanyment.
Some teasers of the body of the article.
http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/02/02/boiler-room-qb-johnny-manziel-and-why-i-think-of-ali/
Detailed article with videos to provide examples before Matt gives his analsis so go to the link for the full-read and vdieo accompanyment.
Some teasers of the body of the article.
http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/02/02/boiler-room-qb-johnny-manziel-and-why-i-think-of-ali/
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Doesn't sound too averse to working with him. Hopefully they like him enough to trade up.
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