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13 hours ago, Bri said:

In my experience, people use bipolar and narcissistic as if they're common. I think narcissists are like 5% of the population and bipolar 8%? I forget but if I go through my social media timelines, you'd think it was up near 70-80% for each. 

Many years ago, I knew someone with cognitive dissonance disorder and I thought they were putting on an act until the day I saw them looking like a zombie on all their medicine.

What I'm getting at is society has really muddied the waters here. I used to know a thing or two about this but now I'm pretty clueless and confused.

Since we know a lot about Johnny, can you tell if he really is bipolar? Make an educated guess?

I think your description about a lack of recognition could be taken to be a lack of accountability. Our jails aren't filled up with bipolar people that thought they did nothing wrong, so could you explain this? How would all this impact a football player?

It's both, and I'm not suggesting the disorder excuses the behavior in any real way, only that it contributes to it.  And I'm not suggesting Manziel not be held accountable - he should be, has been, and will be.  Not one is going to just offer him their franchise QB spot in 2018.  But one can hold someone accountable while at the same time taking into consideration mitigating circumstances and recognizing that they can be overcome or handled.  If Manziel did what he did and were shown to have CTE the crowd would definitely cut him some slack - for good reason.  Bipolar disorder is not functionally different - the patient's brain functions differently.

Regarding your comment about our jails and recognition, here's a very simplified description of bipolar disorder from Wiki:

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Bipolar disorder, previously known as manic depression, is a mental disorder that causes periods of depression and periods of elevated mood.[3][4] The elevated mood is significant and is known as mania or hypomania, depending on its severity, or whether symptoms of psychosis are present.[3] During mania, an individual behaves or feels abnormally energetic, happy, or irritable.[3] Individuals often make poorly thought out decisions with little regard to the consequences.[4]

So while they might after-the-fact recognize what they did was wrong and even feel remorse, it's very common for someone to not recognize it in the moment of their mania.  And without a proper diagnosis and treatment (which may or may not include meds) a person can really struggle to come to terms with "why" they keep behaving as they do.

Now I get that this sounds like a real fine line between "normal" behavior and a mental illness.  A whole ton of us partied as 21 year olds, and a lot of us probably did so to some detrimental effect.  Does that make every college student ever bipolar?  Of course it doesn't, because while we probably missed tests, cheated on a crush, vandalized a restroom, overslept for a job interview, or otherwise f'd up our 21 year old version of life, not many of us continued that behavior over and over and over and over for years and years and years and years until it costs us all of the shots we'd get at a productive life.  Most of us "got it" before then and that "fine line" wasn't ever really in sight.  But someone with bipolar disorder by definition lacks some level of the ability to "get it".

I also get that people are skeptical regarding Manziel and think he's just creating a cover for himself - and I don't dismiss that possibility in any way.  Maybe he is, and shame on him if so because he's cheapening what is a horrible affliction for many people.  But maybe he's not, and if he's not, I would hope people understand what bipolar people go through.  I don't think he "deserves" anything as a result of having the condition either way, I just hope he finds balance in his life.

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His argument is pretty ridiculous, but there's really no reason to bring up Ferguson or the I can't breathe protests in response. Pretty poor taste here guys.

You know, we watched Brandon Marshall effing up his life for a time period, but not to the extent that Manziel did.

Marshall is bipolar, he turned his life around.....he "got it" in some regard as to how to turn his life around.    Look at Marshall now, easily a guy that you rooted for, turned it around in the locker room, on the field, heck, even on his NFL show.

There is the roadmap.    Reach out to Marshall and follow his blueprint.    Imo, pretty easy to at least reach out and say, "please help me."

 

I don't think he will though.....

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18 hours ago, domvin said:

You know, we watched Brandon Marshall effing up his life for a time period, but not to the extent that Manziel did.

Marshall is bipolar, he turned his life around.....he "got it" in some regard as to how to turn his life around.    Look at Marshall now, easily a guy that you rooted for, turned it around in the locker room, on the field, heck, even on his NFL show.

There is the roadmap.    Reach out to Marshall and follow his blueprint.    Imo, pretty easy to at least reach out and say, "please help me."

 

I don't think he will though.....

Marshall had Borderline Personality Disorder. 

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22 hours ago, domvin said:

You know, we watched Brandon Marshall effing up his life for a time period, but not to the extent that Manziel did.

Marshall is bipolar, he turned his life around.....he "got it" in some regard as to how to turn his life around.    Look at Marshall now, easily a guy that you rooted for, turned it around in the locker room, on the field, heck, even on his NFL show.

There is the roadmap.    Reach out to Marshall and follow his blueprint.    Imo, pretty easy to at least reach out and say, "please help me."

 

I don't think he will though.....

I don't think too many people are rooting for Marshall any more.  Every team he's been on the locker room turned to crap and he could never keep his mouth shut.  There's a reason players with his talent get moved to a lot of different teams.

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I'm skeptical that bipolar sufferers in the mania stage board long flights (remaining "normal" during flight) to attend parties in distant party places. They tend to not exactly be thinking straight enough to book an airline, limo, and such. Too organized. Trying to be the life of a party in their local location, sure. Planning to be manic... not so realistic. I could be wrong and am wrong often...

 

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8 hours ago, Riffraff said:

I'm skeptical that bipolar sufferers in the mania stage board long flights (remaining "normal" during flight) to attend parties in distant party places. They tend to not exactly be thinking straight enough to book an airline, limo, and such. Too organized. Trying to be the life of a party in their local location, sure. Planning to be manic... not so realistic. I could be wrong and am wrong often...

 

Mania often manifests itself in the formation of grand plans, and a belief that one can accomplish amazing things.  Long-range schemes like job changes to get rich are not uncommon.  Impulsive spending or gambling is also not common.

I don't thnk the airline ticket is that much of an obstacle, since a manic isn't likely to be carefully price shopping.  And for someone as rich as Manziel, the limo is part of his normal course of life...not the unusual challenge it my be for you or me.

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Only the delusional ever thought he had a shot.  His skill set was not adequate to the league. Now we also know he is delusional, will embarrass a franchise and take its money under false pretenses. We also know that his inadequate skills and physical conditioning have deteriorated through non-use and some still want to engage in this debate. Amazing.  He may have been able to hang around the league a bit if he were properly drafted, in the 5th to 7th round as a potential backup and he had been a model citizen at a reasonable price.  His only value now is as a cautionary tale.

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He was on the Pardon My Take podcast the other week. I have to admit that he spoke well and seemed to be balanced, down to earth and contrite. Didn’t really at all sound like what I expected ( having paid very little attention to him in the past I’d never really seen or heard him interviewed beyond 1-2 quick time before ) 

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Ian Rapoport‏ @RapSheet 8m8 minutes ago

Wow. Johnny on the practice squad. Clearly committed to a return

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Mike Garafolo‏ @MikeGarafolo 8m8 minutes ago

After I’m done plugging @ThomaHawkNFD, I talk Johnny Manziel and how teams have been told he’s willing to take $0 guaranteed and even spend time on a practice squad to prove himself in the NFL again.

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/968938060758093825

 

 

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1 minute ago, amnesiac said:

i’m no expert, but i don’t think he’d be eligible for practice squad.  

He is, with 2 years of accrued service.  Teams can have up to 4 guys with that much seniority.  I doubt he'd be saying that if Manziel weren't eligible.

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

He is, with 2 years of accrued service.  Teams can have up to 4 guys with that much seniority.  I doubt he'd be saying that if Manziel weren't eligible.

didn’t realize that.  

 

interesting.  

 

also, i wouldn’t put it past him to not understand the practice squad rules.  

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On 2018-02-13 at 2:07 PM, Hankmoody said:

It's both, and I'm not suggesting the disorder excuses the behavior in any real way, only that it contributes to it.  And I'm not suggesting Manziel not be held accountable - he should be, has been, and will be.  Not one is going to just offer him their franchise QB spot in 2018.  But one can hold someone accountable while at the same time taking into consideration mitigating circumstances and recognizing that they can be overcome or handled.  If Manziel did what he did and were shown to have CTE the crowd would definitely cut him some slack - for good reason.  Bipolar disorder is not functionally different - the patient's brain functions differently.

Regarding your comment about our jails and recognition, here's a very simplified description of bipolar disorder from Wiki:

So while they might after-the-fact recognize what they did was wrong and even feel remorse, it's very common for someone to not recognize it in the moment of their mania.  And without a proper diagnosis and treatment (which may or may not include meds) a person can really struggle to come to terms with "why" they keep behaving as they do.

Now I get that this sounds like a real fine line between "normal" behavior and a mental illness.  A whole ton of us partied as 21 year olds, and a lot of us probably did so to some detrimental effect.  Does that make every college student ever bipolar?  Of course it doesn't, because while we probably missed tests, cheated on a crush, vandalized a restroom, overslept for a job interview, or otherwise f'd up our 21 year old version of life, not many of us continued that behavior over and over and over and over for years and years and years and years until it costs us all of the shots we'd get at a productive life.  Most of us "got it" before then and that "fine line" wasn't ever really in sight.  But someone with bipolar disorder by definition lacks some level of the ability to "get it".

I also get that people are skeptical regarding Manziel and think he's just creating a cover for himself - and I don't dismiss that possibility in any way.  Maybe he is, and shame on him if so because he's cheapening what is a horrible affliction for many people.  But maybe he's not, and if he's not, I would hope people understand what bipolar people go through.  I don't think he "deserves" anything as a result of having the condition either way, I just hope he finds balance in his life.

I've known a few bi-polar people which is similar to staying in a Holiday Inn last night but consistent to all was contrition after a manic period but inability/unwillingness to "course correct" the next time. When it's not you and you're just repeatedly living in the blast radius, it starts to feel like a get out of jail free card type mentality. You want them to preemptively manage it but (these people at least) didn't. Being on their meds appeared to be a largely selfless act. They felt like crap but tried to do it for the people around them. 

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No word if Manziel intends to wear a helmet again during his workout.

 

Free agent Johnny Manziel will throw during the University of San Diego's Pro Day on Thursday.

Self-reportedly sober, Manziel is attempting to resurrect his NFL career. In addition to this Pro Day, the quarterback will also participate in the Spring League, a four-team, two-week showcase for free agents in April. If he fails to convince an NFL team to sign him, Manziel could land in the CFL.

Source: Bruce Feldman on Twitter 

Mar 22 - 8:47 AM

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Johnny Manziel will have about 35 throws to wide receivers and tight ends here at University of San Diego pro day. He's been training with QB guru George Whitefield down here in San Diego.

Eric D. Williams, ESPN Staff Writer

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Performing at the University of San Diego's Pro Day on Thursday, free agent Johnny Manziel completed 36-of-38 passes and reportedly had a "strong day" in front of representatives from 12 NFL teams.

Manziel looked to be in good shape and generated positive reviews despite throwing in "light rain." Manziel said has an offer from a CFL team and is well aware he still must prove himself before returning to the big leagues. Still only 25 years old, Manziel has sounded humbled after partying himself out of the pros. He recently appeared on Andrew Hawkins and Joe Thomas' podcast and apologized to both ex-Browns for blowing his first opportunity and wasting their time.

Related: Browns

Source: Eric Williams on Twitter 

Mar 22 - 2:11 PM

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59 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

When will this guy go away forever?   

we have the same retreads at QB every year in free agency...mostly. They're all ex Browns, Bills, Jets, and Bears. The backup QB market is awful. 

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Good 'ol Johnny Football. He'd make a good used car salesman.

Says all the right things until you give him your money ....

then it's party time.

Unfortunately his 1st NFL pay day has run out. Needs another contract now to fund his fun.

Blows my mind when guys "make it" and then don't give 110%. Typically booze, drugs, or mental illness to blame.

In Manziels case, likely all 3.

 

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18 hours ago, Bossman said:

Good 'ol Johnny Football. He'd make a good used car salesman.

Says all the right things until you give him your money ....

then it's party time.

Unfortunately his 1st NFL pay day has run out. Needs another contract now to fund his fun.

Blows my mind when guys "make it" and then don't give 110%. Typically booze, drugs, or mental illness to blame.

In Manziels case, likely all 3.

 

He didn't need the first payday.

At least get the hate straight.

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1 hour ago, matuski said:

He didn't need the first payday.

At least get the hate straight.

Agree to disagree. I'm thinking his parents have cut him off.

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CBS story that ran just over a year ago:

Although Johnny Football is done with the NFL for now, he definitely seems to be enjoying his NFL money. The former first-round pick celebrated his 24th birthday this week, and he did it in style. According to the New York Post's Page Six, Manziel spent roughly $35,000 in South Florida while celebrating his birthday, which was on Dec. 6.

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If you're wondering how many more years Manziel can afford to throw $35,000 birthday parties, the answer is probably a lot. The first-round pick earned roughly $5.53 million during his two years with the Browns.
Of course, maybe Manziel just went all out as a way to spite his dad. Back in February, Manziel's dad said that his son wouldn't live to see his 24th birthday if he didn't get professional help.

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Doesn't sound like words from a Dad that's giving an allowance. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/johnny-manziel-reportedly-drops-about-35000-celebrating-his-birthday/

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40 minutes ago, Bossman said:

Agree to disagree. I'm thinking his parents have cut him off.

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CBS story that ran just over a year ago:

Although Johnny Football is done with the NFL for now, he definitely seems to be enjoying his NFL money. The former first-round pick celebrated his 24th birthday this week, and he did it in style. According to the New York Post's Page Six, Manziel spent roughly $35,000 in South Florida while celebrating his birthday, which was on Dec. 6.

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If you're wondering how many more years Manziel can afford to throw $35,000 birthday parties, the answer is probably a lot. The first-round pick earned roughly $5.53 million during his two years with the Browns.
Of course, maybe Manziel just went all out as a way to spite his dad. Back in February, Manziel's dad said that his son wouldn't live to see his 24th birthday if he didn't get professional help.

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Doesn't sound like words from a Dad that's giving an allowance. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/johnny-manziel-reportedly-drops-about-35000-celebrating-his-birthday/

I'm familiar with the family here.  

He never needed the first payday, and he hasn't burned through the first payday.

What there is for you to disagree with, I'm shuked.

eta - your quotes are all out of chronological order.  The dad said that well before that date.   nm, i see the story acknowledges it is digging to a year prior to this year old quote to add that spin.  :lmao: 

etaa - Manziel is 25.  Looks like he made it.

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14 hours ago, matuski said:

He didn't need the first payday.

At least get the hate straight.

You're obviously "in the know"....

Maybe you could clarify this statement by telling us where his money came from that he could be spending $5000 on bottles of champagne... to the tune of a $35k birthday party for himself.

How about this story of him causing $30k in damages to a house that he rented. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-johnny-manziel-did-32k-in-damage-to-a-45-million-house/

... and the stories of his elaborate spending and partying in Vegas, etc.

You're claiming that this wasn't NFL money ... and the article that I quoted was pulled from my ######.  

Do enlighten us as to where an unemployed 24yo has this type of money to blow if it is not his NFL money.

 

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6 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Even if he gets his head on straight, he is nothing more than a backup NFL passer at best.  Seems too risky to put this bozo on your team as a backup, as it will create a circus.  Why bring on that distraction? 

this (curses or insults could be said here) guy is fun to watch play football. Tebow was too most times. As you can tell by this thread and so many tweets, he should be a memory of a guy that flopped, but ...nope. We still talk about him.

I can't stand the backup QB market. It bothers me and the news and articles where a team should sign player X just feed this annoyance. I'm sick of Geno Smith. Was he ever good in the NFL? Mark Sanchez was interesting as like a first or second year guy. Has he had a good game since. EJ Manuel, cmon the Bills had "no one" and didn't want to play him. Do Josh McCown and Ryan Fitzpatrick argue about which losing team they're gonna play for? Matt Moore is 44 not 34, how is he just 34? Throw in Derek Anderson and I wonder what Chris Weinke is doing these days. AJ McCarron did nothing for 3 or 4 years, nothing! And teams wanted him moreso than these perennial losers. Chad Henne is like 5 wins 30 losses in the last seven years. How is that good? Did you see Jay Cutler smiling after an INT? I'd have cut him that second. "Matt Cassel is the best available" has to be the most pathetic football quote ever. Brock Osweiler couldn't win a single game last year despite playing for a very good team.

I would rather ANY college QB over all these Jets, Bears, and Browns. I don't care who. Bonus points if the guy runs around and is athletic. 

Traditionalists will sit here and discuss their arm and ability to read an NFL defense. Seriously, because all those guys throw it right to the DB. It doesn't even look like it was intended for the WR. 

All I want when a backup comes in is hope. I don't have to have any hope for a 3-4 game stretch but I mean hope for a quarter or a half. I guess I'd like to read that the player did something/anything in college, that's it. 

Who is good in the Arena league or the CFL? Sign them

I loved Randall Cobb in college. He could play QB. Trade for him and put him in. His WR salary is probably far lower than most QBs. Has Armanti Edwards hung it up or is he in the CFL? Let's go back in time and actually try him at QB. My goodness was he awesome in college. I bet Terrelle Pryor is the Jets best QB right now. Matt Jones did some coke, gained some weight, and was out of the NFL "like that." How old is he? He could throw the rock and ran pretty good for a giraffe. Pick a know it all announcer on TV and suit him up.

I think I said this to you in the Tyrod Taylor thread GR. He is a 1000 times better than all of these guys that fold like card houses and throw to the DB. Is he great compared to Aaron Rodgers, heck no! But we're comparing him to these loser backups that stink.

That Webb guy in Carolina. I read the negative articles and how he could get cut last summer. How is this even possible? He ran around and around and finally threw a completion. He ran and threw short passes where a shovel would have been an option. He ran for a first. He threw the duckiest lob ever but it went to the WR. I absolutely loved that guy's can do attitude last summer. He marched the Panthers up N down the field very well.

We are way too obsessed with arms and ability to answer football Qs- no one discusses results anymore. 

If I were a GM, I would rather Johnny Manziel than a QB that is 5-30 over the last seven years. I'd take my chances that Manziel could win more than that. I'd walk around with this little kid noisemaker that makes a laughing noise and play that every time he asked to be a starter or a reporter asked if he would. When my starter got hurt though, I know that lil bugger would run around and sling it. That's all I'm looking for.

The only reason I'd give him a second (or 35th) chance is because he seems to admit he was a loser previously and changed his ways. No one above does. The backup QB position is so bad that I would almost prefer to hear that the backup that threw four INTs was suspended for drug use. At least it would explain things. 

When guys lose time and time again and throw INTs time and time again, it appears there are no standards. It's like some sort of Southern, good ol boy network

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9 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Even if he gets his head on straight, he is nothing more than a backup NFL passer at best.  Seems too risky to put this bozo on your team as a backup, as it will create a circus.  Why bring on that distraction? 

He won't be a distraction if he proves he can lay his head low for a year to regain some respect while showing off his skills.  And yes he does have some interesting skills that NFL teams would absolutely want.  If he truly has changed his lifestyle I think it'll be a year before a team gives him a chance.  I'd want to see some humility, while still working on his craft, before I could accept him on a roster.  

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15 hours ago, Bri said:

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The only reason I'd give him a second (or 35th) chance is because he seems to admit he was a loser previously and changed his ways. No one above does. The backup QB position is so bad that I would almost prefer to hear that the backup that threw four INTs was suspended for drug use. At least it would explain things. ....

Here is where I have a major problem with the guy ... and I'm sure so does every sane GM.

When Johnny Football was done with his college career and pimping himself to be drafted ... the question was asked of him, I'm sure dozens of times ... "what about the partying?"

He said all of the right things. Something to the effect ... "party time is over, this is my career now" ....  and sounded like his priorities were right. Sounded very sincere and convincing. (little did we realize, he's obviously been slinging the bs for quite a while. Much experience at such a young age. Duped all of us)

What we learned (fans and NFL GM's) is that this kid is a greasy used car salesman ... says what you want to hear and then he's all about himself. 

How could any sane GM read this and even consider bringing this guy into your locker room? ... https://nypost.com/2016/04/13/johnny-manziels-agent-get-help-or-im-gone/

Using what we already know about Johnny Football, who couldn't "not party" his first go around in the NFL and then continued down that path for 2 years after ....didn't give a rats rectum about being out of the league.

the big question that GM's are facing, what's more likely to happen if he gets a $1m contract with an NFL team;

a) stays sober and becomes a viable NFL QB for several years

b) gets his party back on

50/50 shot here? If I'm a GM, I'm not risking $1m in cap hit ... and more importantly, a roster spot, on a 50/50 shot. 

 

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Hate to destroy the false narrative but....

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Again, no teams sent anyone to San Diego to watch Manziel. It was a bunch of area scouts there for USD Pro Day. Headlines like this are bunk.

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