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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (9 Viewers)
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yes. Johnny Football should listen to advice on work ethic from Chris Johnson. Perfect.cstu said:
dhockster
Footballguy
Isn't it Johnny who is feeding the ESPN beast by doing all his partying publicly?
It's not the partying that concerns me about Manziel. It is the total lack of maturity he is displaying. That lack of maturity, in my opinion, will result in an average to below average QB despite his physical talents.
But, yes, you are right, this is all speculation until we actually see the product Manziel produces on the field.
cstu
Footballguy
When you're doing coke the last thing on your mind is worrying about which bill to use.
cstu
Footballguy
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MAC_32
Footballguy
He's not really going around with a 'HEY EVERYONE COME LOOK AT ME' sign.
The pic from this weekend is the first time I've raised an eye brow.
massraider
Footballguy
To the best of my knowledge, Manziel isn't calling press conferences to announce that he's heading to Vegas, inviting reporters to join him, or otherwise courting the media.
Johnny is partying publicly no more than any other player, there is just increased media attention and interest on him. AFAIK, he's not feeding this himself.
It's at the point where if Johnny is photographed in public, it's a lack of maturity. And now, it's Johnny's fault that every time someone takes a photo of him, everyone on Twitter is going to re-Tweet it?
I don't mean this personally to only you, but it's embarrassing what sheep people are when it comes to media. Johnny gets a pic taken at a pool in Vegas, and people are wondering why he's not studying his playbook.
More people should be condemning ESPN and every jerky on Twitter for breathlessly covering every Manziel photo as if he's in the middle of a bender. Man, think for yourself.Fact is: you. don't. have. a. clue. Neither do I. You have no idea how much prep time Manziel is putting in, how well he knows the playbook, how mature he is being. You don't have a freaking clue.
If I had to guess, don't think Manziel will succeed. But I don't think it'll be because of alcohol, or partying. I think it'll be because he can't play within the framework of an offense, and likes to freelance too much, or maybe because his accuracy isn't NFL caliber, or because it's such a classic American reaction he can't see over his O-line, or because he's too skinny, and gets dinged. I think it'll be because of football reasons.
NFL players, rookies and vets, get after it. They party. They drink. They smoke weed, and do coke. They abuse painkillers. Successful players do these things.
It's such a classic reaction to American celebrity: Build them up to tear them down. Quit being such sheep, such suckers.
jurb26
Footballguy
If so, your compass is pretty off track here.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
The mega-sized champaigne bottle on the floating swan didn't make your eyebrow tick? wow.
massraider
Footballguy
Having said all that nonsense, that bill-rolling photo is ummm....not great.
massraider
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Raises the question of why the person would take the picture in the first place. It wasn't because they thought JM was doing something innocuous. Probably also their only chance at a shot while he was looking down.
I have also heard (this may have been on the NFLN by a player actually) that coke is more difficult to test for than pot, is that true?
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massraider
Footballguy
Not more difficult, but gets out of the urine faster. Urine tests are easy to beat, period.
They don't really want to catch anyone, that's why they test once in the summer, and everyone knows when. That's why when players are caught, you know they are just incredibly stupid
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I'm disappointed in Johnny...dude should be using a bullet
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is taking on a Miley Cyrus quality.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
They only test during a two month period in the spring, and the NFL still catches some of the bozos taking drugs despite knowing it's the testing season. From there, I believe they only randomly test previous offenders. A guy that is clean will only be bothered with drug tests 10 months out of the year.
jurb26
Footballguy
Coke leaves the body's system much faster than most drugs, so yes it's more difficult to test for. Not necessarily difficult I suppose. Just more time sensitive. I read somewhere that JM just had his 1 mandated drug test in April and this us wouldn't be eligible for another test until April of 15'. That is of course unless somebody sees this pic and deems it enough "probable cause" to test him sooner.
MAC_32
Footballguy
If that's a problem to you then you have a problem with most of the players on your team.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think this is an interesting item from the PFT comments:
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
My team (Oakland) happens to be a bunch of choir boy, Bible thumpers, but nice try.
But there are a ton of teams you could say have characters like JFF though. Of course, guys like that have to earn the moniker "character". Like the old saying, coffee is for closers. Playoff teams have "characters". 4-12 teams have "trouble makers" and "malcontents" Seriously if you don't have a problem with JFF's entire offseason since he's been drafted, you aren't very self-aware.
dhockster
Footballguy
Wow, I think that was a little bit of an overreaction. I really don't care what JFF does off the field. If he wants to party, go party. Have a great time.To the best of my knowledge, Manziel isn't calling press conferences to announce that he's heading to Vegas, inviting reporters to join him, or otherwise courting the media.
Johnny is partying publicly no more than any other player, there is just increased media attention and interest on him. AFAIK, he's not feeding this himself.
It's at the point where if Johnny is photographed in public, it's a lack of maturity. And now, it's Johnny's fault that every time someone takes a photo of him, everyone on Twitter is going to re-Tweet it?
I don't mean this personally to only you, but it's embarrassing what sheep people are when it comes to media. Johnny gets a pic taken at a pool in Vegas, and people are wondering why he's not studying his playbook.
Fact is: you. don't. have. a. clue. Neither do I. You have no idea how much prep time Manziel is putting in, how well he knows the playbook, how mature he is being. You don't have a freaking clue.
If I had to guess, don't think Manziel will succeed. But I don't think it'll be because of alcohol, or partying. I think it'll be because he can't play within the framework of an offense, and likes to freelance too much, or maybe because his accuracy isn't NFL caliber, or because it's such a classic American reaction he can't see over his O-line, or because he's too skinny, and gets dinged. I think it'll be because of football reasons.
NFL players, rookies and vets, get after it. They party. They drink. They smoke weed, and do coke. They abuse painkillers. Successful players do these things.
It's such a classic reaction to American celebrity: Build them up to tear them down. Quit being such sheep, such suckers.
But I think his level of maturity is relevent to how he will perform as a football player.
3 facts:
1) JFF now knows through experience that he is a celebrity and his every move will be chronicled (Gronk photos, Riding the Swan, Money Phone)
2) His employer said two weeks ago that they would like him to tone it down.
3) His response was to go to Hollywood and hang out with Biebs and Mayweather, and to go to Vegas and roll dollar bills in Bathrooms. Basically a big FU to his employer,
His personality is striking me as a facebook personality, a "look at me" personality. My observation is those type of people don't make for team leaders for any significant length of time.
But, hey, if that makes me a sheep, then I am a sheep. BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
MAC_32
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
It pretty much does, yeah.Wow, I think that was a little bit of an overreaction. I really don't care what JFF does off the field. If he wants to party, go party. Have a great time.To the best of my knowledge, Manziel isn't calling press conferences to announce that he's heading to Vegas, inviting reporters to join him, or otherwise courting the media.
Johnny is partying publicly no more than any other player, there is just increased media attention and interest on him. AFAIK, he's not feeding this himself.
It's at the point where if Johnny is photographed in public, it's a lack of maturity. And now, it's Johnny's fault that every time someone takes a photo of him, everyone on Twitter is going to re-Tweet it?
I don't mean this personally to only you, but it's embarrassing what sheep people are when it comes to media. Johnny gets a pic taken at a pool in Vegas, and people are wondering why he's not studying his playbook.
Fact is: you. don't. have. a. clue. Neither do I. You have no idea how much prep time Manziel is putting in, how well he knows the playbook, how mature he is being. You don't have a freaking clue.
If I had to guess, don't think Manziel will succeed. But I don't think it'll be because of alcohol, or partying. I think it'll be because he can't play within the framework of an offense, and likes to freelance too much, or maybe because his accuracy isn't NFL caliber, or because it's such a classic American reaction he can't see over his O-line, or because he's too skinny, and gets dinged. I think it'll be because of football reasons.
NFL players, rookies and vets, get after it. They party. They drink. They smoke weed, and do coke. They abuse painkillers. Successful players do these things.
It's such a classic reaction to American celebrity: Build them up to tear them down. Quit being such sheep, such suckers.
But I think his level of maturity is relevent to how he will perform as a football player.
3 facts:
1) JFF now knows through experience that he is a celebrity and his every move will be chronicled (Gronk photos, Riding the Swan, Money Phone)
2) His employer said two weeks ago that they would like him to tone it down.
3) His response was to go to Hollywood and hang out with Biebs and Mayweather, and to go to Vegas and roll dollar bills in Bathrooms. Basically a big FU to his employer,
His personality is striking me as a facebook personality, a "look at me" personality. My observation is those type of people don't make for team leaders for any significant length of time.
But, hey, if that makes me a sheep, then I am a sheep. BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How much prep time has he been putting in?
I thought I read in the Johnson thread that Hoyer has been working out with the receivers.
Any local info on how much work JM is putting in? Not a statement ,just a question.
Since being drafted he's had 6 party weekends in 5 cities, including Vegas and LA twice each. Supposedly one other weekend he stayed in (or popped in to) CLE to shoot a commercial and that was pretty much it.
If you were competing for the starting job, for any job really, why would you let your main competitor get in all the work with the first team and the guys you need chemistry with, while you were out hitting it hard? Wouldn't that bother you?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
No, I'm not naive to what players are doing. But let's not make this about me or my perception. Let's make this about JFF instead. Why is he the pretty much the only guy who constantly puts himself in the headlines for the wrong reasons? Aside from Josh Gordon that is. How's that work?
amnesiac
beer is good
i've heard rumors about a pretty well known Browns player partying with illegal substances around town.
so i'm not naive about what these guys do.
but when you're a first round QB, you've got to be more discreet about it.
especially after the owner calls you out?
he just doesn't seem to get it.
so i'm not naive about what these guys do.
but when you're a first round QB, you've got to be more discreet about it.
especially after the owner calls you out?
he just doesn't seem to get it.
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dhockster
Footballguy
What's funny to me is you don't think he will succeed for football reasons, all of which I agree with. So for him to succeed he will probably have to work harder than most to overcome a lot of his deficiencies by filmwork, study, training on techniques. None of what he is doing off the field seems to indicate that he has the discipline to outwork, outthink his opponents. That will contribute to his lack of success.It pretty much does, yeah.Wow, I think that was a little bit of an overreaction. I really don't care what JFF does off the field. If he wants to party, go party. Have a great time.To the best of my knowledge, Manziel isn't calling press conferences to announce that he's heading to Vegas, inviting reporters to join him, or otherwise courting the media.
Johnny is partying publicly no more than any other player, there is just increased media attention and interest on him. AFAIK, he's not feeding this himself.
It's at the point where if Johnny is photographed in public, it's a lack of maturity. And now, it's Johnny's fault that every time someone takes a photo of him, everyone on Twitter is going to re-Tweet it?
I don't mean this personally to only you, but it's embarrassing what sheep people are when it comes to media. Johnny gets a pic taken at a pool in Vegas, and people are wondering why he's not studying his playbook.
Fact is: you. don't. have. a. clue. Neither do I. You have no idea how much prep time Manziel is putting in, how well he knows the playbook, how mature he is being. You don't have a freaking clue.
If I had to guess, don't think Manziel will succeed. But I don't think it'll be because of alcohol, or partying. I think it'll be because he can't play within the framework of an offense, and likes to freelance too much, or maybe because his accuracy isn't NFL caliber, or because it's such a classic American reaction he can't see over his O-line, or because he's too skinny, and gets dinged. I think it'll be because of football reasons.
NFL players, rookies and vets, get after it. They party. They drink. They smoke weed, and do coke. They abuse painkillers. Successful players do these things.
It's such a classic reaction to American celebrity: Build them up to tear them down. Quit being such sheep, such suckers.
But I think his level of maturity is relevent to how he will perform as a football player.
3 facts:
1) JFF now knows through experience that he is a celebrity and his every move will be chronicled (Gronk photos, Riding the Swan, Money Phone)
2) His employer said two weeks ago that they would like him to tone it down.
3) His response was to go to Hollywood and hang out with Biebs and Mayweather, and to go to Vegas and roll dollar bills in Bathrooms. Basically a big FU to his employer,
His personality is striking me as a facebook personality, a "look at me" personality. My observation is those type of people don't make for team leaders for any significant length of time.
But, hey, if that makes me a sheep, then I am a sheep. BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
amnesiac
beer is good
i agree. didn't like the pick, but i was willing to give him a chance if he came in and did all the right things. but he just doesn't seem to be doing that.What's funny to me is you don't think he will succeed for football reasons, all of which I agree with. So for him to succeed he will probably have to work harder than most to overcome a lot of his deficiencies by filmwork, study, training on techniques. None of what he is doing off the field seems to indicate that he has the discipline to outwork, outthink his opponents. That will contribute to his lack of success.It pretty much does, yeah.Wow, I think that was a little bit of an overreaction. I really don't care what JFF does off the field. If he wants to party, go party. Have a great time.To the best of my knowledge, Manziel isn't calling press conferences to announce that he's heading to Vegas, inviting reporters to join him, or otherwise courting the media.
Johnny is partying publicly no more than any other player, there is just increased media attention and interest on him. AFAIK, he's not feeding this himself.
It's at the point where if Johnny is photographed in public, it's a lack of maturity. And now, it's Johnny's fault that every time someone takes a photo of him, everyone on Twitter is going to re-Tweet it?
I don't mean this personally to only you, but it's embarrassing what sheep people are when it comes to media. Johnny gets a pic taken at a pool in Vegas, and people are wondering why he's not studying his playbook.
Fact is: you. don't. have. a. clue. Neither do I. You have no idea how much prep time Manziel is putting in, how well he knows the playbook, how mature he is being. You don't have a freaking clue.
If I had to guess, don't think Manziel will succeed. But I don't think it'll be because of alcohol, or partying. I think it'll be because he can't play within the framework of an offense, and likes to freelance too much, or maybe because his accuracy isn't NFL caliber, or because it's such a classic American reaction he can't see over his O-line, or because he's too skinny, and gets dinged. I think it'll be because of football reasons.
NFL players, rookies and vets, get after it. They party. They drink. They smoke weed, and do coke. They abuse painkillers. Successful players do these things.
It's such a classic reaction to American celebrity: Build them up to tear them down. Quit being such sheep, such suckers.
But I think his level of maturity is relevent to how he will perform as a football player.
3 facts:
1) JFF now knows through experience that he is a celebrity and his every move will be chronicled (Gronk photos, Riding the Swan, Money Phone)
2) His employer said two weeks ago that they would like him to tone it down.
3) His response was to go to Hollywood and hang out with Biebs and Mayweather, and to go to Vegas and roll dollar bills in Bathrooms. Basically a big FU to his employer,
His personality is striking me as a facebook personality, a "look at me" personality. My observation is those type of people don't make for team leaders for any significant length of time.
But, hey, if that makes me a sheep, then I am a sheep. BAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!
MAC_32
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
we all know he gets clicks. why does he keep putting himself in these situations then?
he's been in the news literally every week. why not take a week off?
MAC_32
Footballguy
He doesn't care. There's a difference. Seems like the type that has never had to deal with adversity, so it'll be interesting to see what he does when he is, because it'll happen in this league. Based on everything I've heard and read about him on the field I think he'll thrive. If his style can stay on the field.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He doesn't care what you, the media, or anyone thinks. He does what he wants to do. He's been successful despite that approach in the past, so why change?
amnesiac
beer is good
fair enough. imo, if he wants to be a franchise QB in this league, he better start caring.
amnesiac
beer is good
you're probably right, in that is likely his mindset. again, imo, he's going to find out real fast that same approach isn't going to work for him in the NFL.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
His own father said he needs a bottle to deal with the stress of his success. Does that strike you as a typical sign of succesful person? One of the 7 habits maybe?
cstu
Footballguy
The Chargers may have some guys who party a lot but I guarantee Philip Rivers isn't snorting blow in Vegas bathrooms.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Too bad "Honey Badger" was already taken. This is the guy who is convinced that the cops are targeting him because he keeps getting tickets for going 30 mph over the limit. Eventually that guy loses his license.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
That's why I'm curious what happens when he has his first confrontation with adversity. How will he react? Will he go pout in the corner because entitled Johnny didn't get his way? or will the warrior on the field I have seen, read, and heard so much about take over?
In his mind, this isn't adversity, this is the offseason.
MAC_32
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Let's not jump to conclusions here guys.
He may have just been showing his buds this old elementary school dollar bill trick.
http://www.moneyand####.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tits_of_america.jpg
He may have just been showing his buds this old elementary school dollar bill trick.
http://www.moneyand####.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tits_of_america.jpg
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
You know who loves that photo? Brian Hoyer's agent.
