I.Was.Wrongoh come on man. he's played in two preseason games and he's a rookie.
Breaking News: The Jaguars aren't in the market for a young QB. ThankYouVeryMuchIt's Cleveland. Until he bombs in a second location not named Jacksonville or Washington I'll wait and see what Johhny 8Ball has on the pro game.
Something tells me I should trust a poster with this moniker.Skins bench looked like.Was he flipping off the ref?
Nah, not like Ryan Leaf at all.Definitely flipped the bird at someone. Now that's poise.
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One guy embarrassed himself and the franchise, the other almost won the game with two late scoring drives. Take a guess who did whatYou are referring to the bolded I assume?Ever here of a joke?Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.Well JF is supposed to be Russel Wilson like.. They have a lot in common. Shaw is a better passer. No one cares because TMZ wasn't at his last party with cameras.Common opponents in 2013 (Missouri, Miss State, Arkansas, Vandy) comparison:How does a facsimile ever outshine the original? Just looking for a reference point, but in your case, the reference point keeps moving.Connor Shaw is a better version of Maziel IMO. Probably won't even get drafted.
73.3% Comp. Pct., 12 TD/4 INT, 11.8 yards per completion, 34.5 ry/pg, 0TD = Manziel
66.0% Comp. Pct., 13 TD/0 INT, 12.2 yards per completion, 24.8 ry/pg, 1 TD = Shaw
And he is taller, bigger with no character flaws. Some things about the NFL I will never understand.
After the game, ESPN said it was in response to Washington's bench jawing at him.What's the backstory on the bird flip? Was Manziel just throwing signs back @ DeSean or what?
Can i guess the same person for both?One guy embarrassed himself and the franchise, the other almost won the game with two late scoring drives. Take a guess who did whatYou are referring to the bolded I assume?Ever here of a joke?Yes, TMZ is the determining factor between a possible #1 overall, and a guy fighting to hear his name called at all.Well JF is supposed to be Russel Wilson like.. They have a lot in common. Shaw is a better passer. No one cares because TMZ wasn't at his last party with cameras.Common opponents in 2013 (Missouri, Miss State, Arkansas, Vandy) comparison:How does a facsimile ever outshine the original? Just looking for a reference point, but in your case, the reference point keeps moving.Connor Shaw is a better version of Maziel IMO. Probably won't even get drafted.
73.3% Comp. Pct., 12 TD/4 INT, 11.8 yards per completion, 34.5 ry/pg, 0TD = Manziel
66.0% Comp. Pct., 13 TD/0 INT, 12.2 yards per completion, 24.8 ry/pg, 1 TD = Shaw
And he is taller, bigger with no character flaws. Some things about the NFL I will never understand.
whatever happens it is going to be entertaining.He isn't starting the first three games though.This kid is so polished at the podium. It's really impressive. He's composed, polite, and gives thoughtful answers. He sounds like a 15-year vet. And then he goes out and acts like a jackass.
Joe Theismann @Theismann7Johnny football needs to become Johnny grow up. Should use his right arm to throw balls not give hand signals . Not a pro
I don't think that little shovel to Lewis did much for JM's status. It helped Lewis though.Something tells me I should trust a poster with this moniker.Skins bench looked like.Was he flipping off the ref?
Manziel looked pretty bad, but gets credit for a TD. That won't hurt his case to start. But man, the game looks way too fast for him right now.
Well he put a stop to that didn't he.After the game, ESPN said it was in response to Washington's bench jawing at him.What's the backstory on the bird flip? Was Manziel just throwing signs back @ DeSean or what?
It will happen again.oh come on man. he's played in two preseason games and he's a rookie.
No doubt, but the announcers were quick to give him credit.I don't think that little shovel to Lewis did much for JM's status. It helped Lewis though.Something tells me I should trust a poster with this moniker.Manziel looked pretty bad, but gets credit for a TD. That won't hurt his case to start. But man, the game looks way too fast for him right now.Skins bench looked like.Was he flipping off the ref?
Orakpo making the money sign.After the game, ESPN said it was in response to Washington's bench jawing at him.What's the backstory on the bird flip? Was Manziel just throwing signs back @ DeSean or what?
Was he inside Orakpo's head? Was he inside the entire Redskin bench's head? Odd perspective.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
yeah he had the Skins right where he wanted themWas he inside Orakpo's head? Was he inside the entire Redskin bench's head? Odd perspective.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
If you are basing it on gestures and gamesmanship.. apparently so.yeah he had the Skins right where he wanted themWas he inside Orakpo's head? Was he inside the entire Redskin bench's head? Odd perspective.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
good GodIf you are basing it on gestures and gamesmanship.. apparently so.yeah he had the Skins right where he wanted themWas he inside Orakpo's head? Was he inside the entire Redskin bench's head? Odd perspective.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
It has nothing to do with the actual act of giving the other team the finger. Its about what the act represents.I'm not seeing the big deal. He didn't flip the bird to the crowd.
Guys talk smack and say the most horrific things to each other during the game. This was just a non verbal F U right back to the bench who obviously had some things to say.
Nothing.
There was nothing to indicate anyone was inside anyone's head that I saw.. the usual jawing that goes on with football, and especially Johnny. He certainly had a bad night but if you think any talking or gamesmanship had anything to do with it....Welcome to every game he has ever played.good GodIf you are basing it on gestures and gamesmanship.. apparently so.yeah he had the Skins right where he wanted themWas he inside Orakpo's head? Was he inside the entire Redskin bench's head? Odd perspective.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
Once he gets out there, I could see it becoming a nice little tradition for defenders to do the money sign when they take him down.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
Did you guys really not watch him in college? At all? This has been the case..Once he gets out there, I could see it becoming a nice little tradition for defenders to do the money sign when they take him down.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
Horrific?I'm not seeing the big deal. He didn't flip the bird to the crowd.
Guys talk smack and say the most horrific things to each other during the game. This was just a non verbal F U right back to the bench who obviously had some things to say.
Nothing.
Not really, no.Did you guys really not watch him in college? At all? This has been the case..Once he gets out there, I could see it becoming a nice little tradition for defenders to do the money sign when they take him down.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
Saw him plenty. That was college.Did you guys really not watch him in college? At all? This has been the case..Once he gets out there, I could see it becoming a nice little tradition for defenders to do the money sign when they take him down.It doesn't speak well for Johnny that he is letting people inside his head in preseason. I doubt he has the emotional intelligence to succeed to be honest. He's going to get picked on so much more than Michael Sam.
WOW.. Didn't realize Johnny Football was the first NFL player EVER to give the finger to an opposing team and/or crowd.. at least that is how it seems based on all the news reports today..... Cleveland should suspend him for the seasonIt would be refreshing if the kool aid drinkers on this thread would simply post
"I was wrong"
It will never happen but we be cool if so
THIS /end thread.I am more concerned with the fact that he's going to get killed than him flipping the bird. He takes off at the first sign of pressure, is completely reckless when he runs, and doesn't slide. And this isn't college where he was fast enough to get away from defenders. Linebackers and DEs can, and are, catching him and pulverizing him into the ground.
well, that and throwing behind his receivers. he's going to get his guys killed the first time someone runs a zone against him.I am more concerned with the fact that he's going to get killed than him flipping the bird. He takes off at the first sign of pressure, is completely reckless when he runs, and doesn't slide. And this isn't college where he was fast enough to get away from defenders. Linebackers and DEs can, and are, catching him and pulverizing him into the ground.
He and Hoyer were doing that all night..well, that and throwing behind his receivers.he's going to get his guys killed the first time someone runs a zone against him.I am more concerned with the fact that he's going to get killed than him flipping the bird. He takes off at the first sign of pressure, is completely reckless when he runs, and doesn't slide. And this isn't college where he was fast enough to get away from defenders. Linebackers and DEs can, and are, catching him and pulverizing him into the ground.