IHEARTFF 1,215 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 product of Mike Evans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riversco 604 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back. I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous.It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 890 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back. I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous. It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riversco 604 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back. I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous. It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision.I don't think its going to just be their decision. He will be a free agent at year's end, isn't he? He can go anywhere he wants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 890 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 We will know much more after a couple of weeks with Gordon back. I'm not even sure you can evaluate Hoyer on his 2014 at all. He tore his ACL a year ago.Tom Brady tore an ACL, and the next year his numbers were way down across the board. It was actually one of his worst seasons. He didn't return to form until 2 years after the ACL.interesting point.but i don't believe he's going to be cut any slack for that.he is outplaying Manziel in practice and that is why he's starting.if they thought Manziel have them a better chance to win, he'd be starting. it's possible that could still happen this season.but the clamoring for Manziel every time Hoyer has a bad game is ridiculous. It doesn't look like the Browns are going to re-sign Hoyer. So they might make a huge mistake, let him walk, and he becomes studly in his second year after the ACL....for another team.you are correct that he may be even better another year removed from the injury, but i just doubt that is going to factor into their decision. I don't think its going to just be their decision. He will be a free agent at year's end, isn't he? He can go anywhere he wants. it seems he would prefer to resign with the Browns, but it does not seem like they are ready to commit to him. which may well mean they still believe Manziel could be the answer long term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,895 Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer. If they don't then they probably won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OrangeJulius 7 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer. If they don't then they probably won't.This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,895 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer. If they don't then they probably won't.This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumbsustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffaloes 3,060 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 orangejulius is the bishop sankey guy, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,895 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 orangejulius is the bishop sankey guy, right?oof, I've been wasting my time on that knob? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OrangeJulius 7 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer. If they don't then they probably won't.This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumbsustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though.After today's game - I would think the sane thing to do would be to worry about next season! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,895 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer. If they don't then they probably won't.This seems like the incorrect way to think. I would focus on the best move for my organization long term.I would NOT have MAC_32's mentality.....Who cares if he leads you to the first round of the playoffs #kellyholcumbsustainability all starts with building a winning culture, that's happening with Hoyer, that wouldnt be happening with Manziel. It'd be on the job training. Just look around the league, a bunch of young qb's being rushed onto the field then performing predictably inconsistently and their team playing predictably poorly.Maybe he'll play next year, not something sane people around here are worrying about until after the season though.After today's game - I would think the sane thing to do would be to worry about next season!6-4Go to bed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mnmplayer 447 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Hoyer has played well with the least talented wr corps in the league. That changes next week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mr roboto 8,576 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 orangejulius is the bishop sankey guy, right?oof, I've been wasting my time on that knob?Yep. Brewtown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigboy10182000 3,973 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 @vincethepolack: Police report: Johnny Manziel involved in massive brawl Friday night at The 9 in downtown Cleveland http://t.co/18TdfWYBGi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ditka Butkus 1,817 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 @vincethepolack: Police report: Johnny Manziel involved in massive brawl Friday night at The 9 in downtown Cleveland http://t.co/18TdfWYBGiWell he wasn't actually involved....Sounds like he was just there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry Curl 109 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/24/police-report-johnny-manziel-involved-in-massive-fight-late-friday-night-at-the-9-in-downtown-cleveland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 5,023 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/24/police-report-johnny-manziel-involved-in-massive-fight-late-friday-night-at-the-9-in-downtown-clevelandHe just wanted to give Johnny a hug so they punched him in the face.Yea that is believable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Henry Ford 60,520 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/24/police-report-johnny-manziel-involved-in-massive-fight-late-friday-night-at-the-9-in-downtown-clevelandHe just wanted to give Johnny a hug so they punched him in the face.Yea that is believable. UPDATE: Comments from the alleged victim, Chris Gonos, about the fight."Yeah, it actually all started through me. We had a room – it was my brother’s birthday — so we were staying at the Metropolitan at the 9. We partied there, and at the end of the night I was going back up to my room, and I noticed the guy. I was like, 'Man, that’s Johnny Manziel.' They were trying to keep it quiet, keep it low, and I was like 'Johnny Football!' I was just excited. But anyways, I went to give him like a handshake, or dap or whatever you want to call it, one of his buddies like tackled me. It was going down, a whole bunch of people started fighting. It ended pretty quick.""I got a bruised hip and a bruised elbow, and somebody hit me in the back of the head, too. My brother saw what was going on and he ran he tackled Johhny Manziel – I guess he got the sack and the fumble. He tackled him, yeah, I’m talking about he speared him all the way to the back wall. I was cornered; I was by myself and Johnny Manziel and like three or four of his buddies were all coming at me. (My brother) just came to help me out, and I guess Johnny sucker punched him while the security guard was holding him. It should be all on video." "No [one was arrested], like 20 officers came and I was sitting in the lobby because I did not do anything wrong but be a fan. All these cops run into the lobby, and they’re like, “Who was fighting, who was fighting?” and I just raised my hand, and was like, listen, watch the camera, and stuff like that. I may be guilty of being a fan, but that’s about it. I even showed them the guy that sucker punched me and the cops walked right up to him, talking to him for a while, and they let us all go. They just told me I had to leave the hotel, and me and my ride, we left. Manziel never punched me, but he got a sucker punch on my brother.""I know somebody else in the group smashed Johnny right in the face. Smashed him, smashed him. I watched the whole game to see if we could spot him on the sidelines." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Soulfly3 4,444 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I dont like Manziel, and think he's a bit of a D-Bag...but this guys story sounds pretty well scripted... and sounds like a bigger D Bag than JFF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 890 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 this is the type of thing we never would've heard about ten years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share Posted November 26, 2014 Alleged late-night incident unlikely to affect Manziel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
massraider 11,455 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Reading that clowns comments, I want to punch him too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 2,106 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 product of Mike EvansIf the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.If they don't then they probably won't.Trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted November 28, 2014 Author Share Posted November 28, 2014 Johnny Manziel addresses late-night incident Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,059 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 product of Mike EvansIf the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.If they don't then they probably won't.Trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd.you honestly think that they could get a 2nd for him? wow dude Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 47,491 Posted November 28, 2014 Share Posted November 28, 2014 product of Mike EvansYes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton Marino 4,780 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 "There's nothing I love more than when a fan comes up to me and talks to me about the history of the Browns" I love this guy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 Johnny Manziel's girlfriend wants the Browns to put him in the game:http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/11/23/johnny-manziel-girlfriend-browns-falcons-brian-hoyer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 2,106 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 product of Mike EvansIf the browns make the playoffs they will re-sign Hoyer.If they don't then they probably won't.Trade him to the Bucs for a 2nd.you honestly think that they could get a 2nd for him? wow dudeFrom the Bucs? Of course.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,059 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 /\ yeah good luck with that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STEADYMOBBIN 22 4,308 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 He'll be a Cowboy before it's all said and done. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ketamine Dreams 738 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 He'll be a Cowboy before it's all said and done.I'm thinking you're right. Some changes will happen when the Cowboys miss the playoffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Looking like he might be about to come in, down 20-3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton Marino 4,780 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Browns fans have no clue what just happened. They've never seen offense like that before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JaxBill 6,984 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Marqise lee hobbles off. Leg injury of some sort. cramp? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peak 1,346 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Browns fans have no clue what just happened. They've never seen offense like that before.Thats about right....Manziel looked horrible on that drive and I've never seen a drive end that way before. Damn rookie... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T J 641 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Welcome to the Johnny Football era in the NFL! Booya!He's not any good either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePhatty 694 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 product of Mike EvansI'm not a Browns fan, so I'll be fine if he's a "product of Josh Gordon" in the NFL.If he can be. :worried: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton Marino 4,780 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Browns fans have no clue what just happened. They've never seen offense like that before.Thats about right....Manziel looked horrible on that drive and I've never seen a drive end that way before. Damn rookie...You've never seen a drive end on a turnover on downs? I can promise you that you have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffaloes 3,060 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 pretty good at the whole make 1 read and then tuck and run thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CR69 1,518 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 pretty good at the whole make 1 read and then tuck and run thingI guess it's better than make one read and throw a pick like Hoyer? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buffaloes 3,060 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 pretty good at the whole make 1 read and then tuck and run thingI guess it's better than make one read and throw a pick like Hoyer?tbd. Hoyer's method has the Browns in the playoff hunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share Posted November 30, 2014 Johnny Manziel flashes in relief, should start for Browns moving forward Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share Posted November 30, 2014 LOOK: Johnny Manziel scores first-ever TD in Browns-Bills game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riversco 604 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 pretty good at the whole make 1 read and then tuck and run thinghttp://www.aggiesports.com/blogs/aubreybloom/can-johnny-manziel-read-a-defense/article_8ef9c30e-a967-11e3-996b-0019bb2963f4.htmlhe asked Manziel what he would do in certain scenarios -- based on what the defense was showing. He said that Manziel answered each time, that he didn't know, couldn't answer the question ... and that he wasn't taught the nuances of the QB position at A&M. "They just snapped me the ball and wanted me to make a play," was his general response when asked."I doubt he'll be able to do anything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Cleveland Browns turn to Johnny Manziel, and there can be no turning back -- Terry Pluto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Five things to know about Johnny Manziel's impressive Week 13 cameo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Mike Pettine: Door 'definitely open for a change' to Johnny Manziel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,670 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Johnny Manziel shows he's ready, if his coach will have him:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000437113/article/johnny-manziel-shows-hes-ready-if-his-coach-will-have-him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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