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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (8 Viewers)
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Faust
MVP
Browns must know it's Johnny Manziel time in Cleveland:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10115/browns-must-know-its-johnny-manziel-time-in-cleveland
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10115/browns-must-know-its-johnny-manziel-time-in-cleveland
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I am a little surprised there isn't more discussion about what is apparetly about to happen here. Manziel is going to probabloy start next week on a team in playoff contention, with a good run game and defense, which is a far cry better than how it was looking in the offseason and preseason.
But I don't see how Fowler can be taken seriously if he doesn't mention this play:
The last part is kind of juvenile, but I see the point.
So as long as they're running the ball well and as long as there's no time to make defensive adjustments they should be fine.
But I don't see how Fowler can be taken seriously if he doesn't mention this play:
Can someone describe what happened here? I had heard/read this was a bad call by the refs and should have been a TD for Buffalo.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Say whatever anyone will about Tebow, on several occasions he was a good FF play. He would usually get around 45-60 running plus maybe 1 TD rushing, 1 passing, plus whatever passing yards he eked out along with probably an interception.
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s_ezy
Footballguy
williams was in his face and johnny went to throw the ball but it hit williams shoulder pad and was coming back into johnny's hand. the ball continued threw his hand and onto the ground. at this point johnny was on the ground pancaked by williams and the bills picked up the ball for an apparent touchdown.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok found a gif, this look like it was a ludicrously bad call and should have been a fumble-6 on Manziel.
http://www.diehardsport.com/nfl/johnny-manziel-botches-snap-fumbles-bills-recover-td/
He was overwhelmed there. Reminds me of the freshman getting in to practice with the varsity there.
http://www.diehardsport.com/nfl/johnny-manziel-botches-snap-fumbles-bills-recover-td/
He was overwhelmed there. Reminds me of the freshman getting in to practice with the varsity there.
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Gvindy
Footballguy
Tebow helped me in the playoffs a few years ago. With the weather getting colder, those rushing yards could put you over the top in a matchup against a dropback passer. Look at Manning last night, pedestrian numbers in the cold/playing with a lead.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Their are two things about this vine clip.
1. After the Browns lost Pro Bowl center Alex Mack they tried to fill in with Jon Greco at center which forced them to start the horrible Paul McQuistan at Greco's guard position thus creating a clusterF at two positions. That only lasted one game before the Browns used a rookie center Nick McDonald who was in over his head for the first few games but was coming around but early in the Buffalo game he got hurt so the Browns were using a backup OT Michael Bowie in at center. So its very-possible that Bowie blew the snap count because Johnny wasn't expecting it which created the fumble in the first place.
2. Johnny's body language after he got knocked down. He LITERALLY throws his hands up over his head in an 'I surrender' position instead of getting up scrambling for the ball.
Obviously it was a fumble and blown call by the refs. Hate the tuck rule, complete utter BS. Much too long under the hood on that reversal and the same with Manziel's fumble but Johnny can't completely give up on a play on any level especially body language that everyone can read.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
C'mon man the Browns and Bills have scored TDs in games before
I mean not every time of course...
-QG
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I noticed No. 2 as well. That is bad if that's just him. - It occurred to me was just literally trucked so perhaps that was what was going on. Browns fans better hope so.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
On Johnny/Tebow comparisons. Eh not really.
Tebow was built like a fullback and he ran like one. Johnny is built like Drew Brees but scrambles like Russell Wilson. Johnny also is a much-MUCH better passer than Tebow and that is the reason why Tim is out of the league but saying a QB is a better passer than Tim Tebow is like a slap in the face. Johnny has LOTS to work on with his passing game but he is definitely better than Tebow.
Some stats to ponder for Sunday, should Johnny get the start.
31 out of 47 for 392 yards, 3 touchdowns 0 interceptions along with 3 rushing attempts for 12 yards 4 fumbles 1 lost
The above are the stats that former Browns QB Colt McCoy put up going against the Indianapolis Colts yesterday.
I doubt Johnny could equal the passing stats but he could run better. In less than one half he posted 9.7 fantasy points as apposed to the 3.6 that Brian Hoyer had in three quarters against the Bills.
Against the Colts who gets the start? I dunno but if Colt McCoy could do that then I think either could have decent stats.
Tebow was built like a fullback and he ran like one. Johnny is built like Drew Brees but scrambles like Russell Wilson. Johnny also is a much-MUCH better passer than Tebow and that is the reason why Tim is out of the league but saying a QB is a better passer than Tim Tebow is like a slap in the face. Johnny has LOTS to work on with his passing game but he is definitely better than Tebow.
Some stats to ponder for Sunday, should Johnny get the start.
31 out of 47 for 392 yards, 3 touchdowns 0 interceptions along with 3 rushing attempts for 12 yards 4 fumbles 1 lost
The above are the stats that former Browns QB Colt McCoy put up going against the Indianapolis Colts yesterday.
I doubt Johnny could equal the passing stats but he could run better. In less than one half he posted 9.7 fantasy points as apposed to the 3.6 that Brian Hoyer had in three quarters against the Bills.
Against the Colts who gets the start? I dunno but if Colt McCoy could do that then I think either could have decent stats.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hysterical.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziels_nap_in_the_end.html
Johnny Manziel's 'nap' in the endzone gives birth to new #Manzieling meme
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziels_nap_in_the_end.html
Johnny Manziel's 'nap' in the endzone gives birth to new #Manzieling meme
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
LOL, the circus isn't about Johnny Manziel the football player so I break that out and enjoy the circus for what it is, mindless clatter that can be good fun.
Harmless and funny Manzieling IMHO.
amnesiac
beer is good
amnesiac
beer is good
the shovel is a close second.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Update on the last 44 pages?
Playoff bound Crowell & Gordon owner in two leagues.
FML
Playoff bound Crowell & Gordon owner in two leagues.
FML
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just_want_2_win
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
I'm completely neutral. I'm not sure Johnny would come in and score less or do much worse than a 46 QBR.
At the same time, it seems odd to keep him on the bench through the easy part of the schedule only to throw him into the fire with the teams coming up. I always thought the JAX game was the time to do it if ever.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yaknow, it must be funny to be a Browns fan right now. All of a sudden people want to talk about the Browns. All of a sudden their QB controversy takes center stage on radio, on tv, online and in the papers.
RW and the rest are generating clicks. I'm not sure I understand how they make money off of it, but people want to see Manziel so the purveyors of sport talk give the people what they want.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
thatguythere
Footballguy
Oh yes, because Hoyer at the helm really screams "bench Indy's D"
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well up until a couple weeks ago Cleveland was actually the lowest (best) FFP allowed to opposing defenses. Lower than Denver, lower than NE. They're still at No. 28, or 5th best. - The Browns were still at 3-0, then down just 7-3, when West fumbled in the 3rd quarter of the Bills game. - Hoyer has had his accuracy issues but I don't recall too many pick/fumble 6's. That West fumble6 was the first defensive score the team has allowed all year in fact.Oh yes, because Hoyer at the helm really screams "bench Indy's D"
Now, Manziel came in and yes he had one garbage time drive for a TD, but next drive he missed the snap count, got rammed into the turf and fumbled the ball into his own end zone for what should have been an easy Bills scoop'n'score.
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Dizzy
Footballguy
Contention for what (exactly)?
Hoyer has back-to-back stinkers here... Hoyer is not taking the Brownies to the Super Bowl... I think he hit his ceiling against the Bengals.
I think they have to give Johnny Football his shot here. Maybe they catch lightning in a bottle. They drafted him to be the franchise, the book on Hoyer is complete, let's see if the kid can give the offense a boost. That scrambling ability alone would be a major headache for DC's with Gordon running around and Crowell pounding it.
If Manziel is named the starter, I think the biggest question is how much will he run. We have seen this year Russell Wilson have very lackluster passing numbers but his value is boosted heavily by his large running numbers.
I don't think anyone expect's Manziel to go crazy in the passing department, although it helps to have Gordon, but if Manziel runs like he did in college it is feasible he could run for 100 yards in a game.
Also, keep in mind this week that the Colts best defensive player Vontae Davis was hurt last week and his availability is in question for this week. That would definitely help Manziel. Also, it is unlikely the Browns will be able to stop Luck from scoring a ton of points so sticking to the run game late might be impossible.
If he does play this week I think the matchup sets up well for him him to post pretty big numbers.
I don't think anyone expect's Manziel to go crazy in the passing department, although it helps to have Gordon, but if Manziel runs like he did in college it is feasible he could run for 100 yards in a game.
Also, keep in mind this week that the Colts best defensive player Vontae Davis was hurt last week and his availability is in question for this week. That would definitely help Manziel. Also, it is unlikely the Browns will be able to stop Luck from scoring a ton of points so sticking to the run game late might be impossible.
If he does play this week I think the matchup sets up well for him him to post pretty big numbers.
Related?
Because that's all that's in his corner at this point.
If they play Hoyer, they ARE out of contention.
Have you watched the games? Manziel got more rushing yards in his first drive as a pro than Hoyer had ALL year.
The change should have happened after the Atlanta game. Hoyer tried to give it away twice. A more experienced coach would have made the switch earlier. Hoyer is done as a starter.
Manziel has had time to get up to speed, it's not week two, it's week 14 and he has progressed every week in practice.
This is not a hard call.
You start Hoyer and he continues to crap the bed, you'll be down 3 scores before you can spit, Cleveland fans will boo him out of the stadium and yes manziel will finally play but the game will likely be lost.
Start Manziel and let him run the defense sideline to sideline, something not in Hoyers DNA, and you open up the whole offense.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Agreed. I really think starting Hoyer against BUF was the "dance with who brought us" gesture. As they creep closer to .500, gotta make the switch.
Is the goal to "hope" to with the division at 9-7 and get blasted out of the play-offs, or is it to progress to something greater?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Wow, Manziel must really suck.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yep, Pettine & Co. are looking at game film and must not have liked what they saw.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Dondante
Footballguy
That or Hoyer is a leader - as has been said by plenty - and they are in a playoff race. If you put JFF in there now and he flames out, what are you going to do? Other than start booking rooms at Atlantis.
Or they just like Hoyer more?
Is it hard to imagine that this is Hoyer's season with the Browns to the end. While they have Johnny in the stable they are doing what a smart franchise should do, DEVELOPE HIM behind someone so that he can learn the NFL game right.
Some of the best QBs in the last 20 years
Luck - started out of college
Rodgers - sat behind Favre
Brees - sat behind Flutie
Brady - sat behind Bledsoe
Manning - started out of college
McNabb - started out of college (if not mistaken he was really protected and not asked to throw much in the beginning)
Warner - '94 had training camp with Favre, Brunell, Detmer then Arena football then sat behind Bono/Banks
Young - sat behind Montana
While we all get caught up in the new face I think this is where its the coach and GMs responsibility to keep the course.
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dhockster
Footballguy
McNabb did not start until week 10 of his rookie season. The Eagles brought in Doug Pederson for that season just to be a placeholder for McNabb. He was also familiar with the offense and Reid since they both came from the Packers.
massraider
Footballguy
Possible. And scary.
In Hoyer's last 5 games, he has failed to have a positive TD/INT ratio. And in that 6th game, it was 1-0, against the Raiders. Having a strong running game, and defense, and throwing 2+ picks against not TDs is no bueno.
However, the team is in the playoff hunt, and Hoyer has shown he can be a game manager.
This isn't about Manziel's development. It's about the Browns winning games, and trying to get to, and win in, the playoffs.
I didn't say they thought Hoyer was a great QB but just at the current time they think he is a better QB for them is what I meant. I also don't think they are holding Manziel out for development's sake but it is a positive to take away from the situation, hopefully its burning a fire in Manziel's heart to show the doubters wrong (part of the reason I feel Rodgers is so great for the packers and what has added to an already good work ethic).
ryno1980
Footballguy
But they wouldn't even be in the playoff discussion if Hoyer didn't have 2 turnovers through the first 7 games
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
They should stick with Hoyer but if he comes out struggling they shouldn't be afraid to make the change....They have to do whatever is necessary to stay in the hunt.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Ah, fun with arbitrary end points. it's a fun game.
Hoyer has scuffled in games against teams with stiff fronts. That's been a constant throughout. No run game and pressure up the middle and he just can't do the job. He won't have that issue Sunday nor either of the next two games though.
Now, a different Hoyer has surfaced since Gordon came back. He's forcing it and pressing like he hadn't done before the Atlanta game. If he keeps that up then it doesn't matter how soft the Colts D is up front.
