amnesiac
beer is good
you also argued Manziel would light it up, so i'm not inclined to listen to your argument.
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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (5 Viewers)
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matuski
Footballguy
Then don't.. pay attention to the I-don't-know-how-many QBs that have gone in there and failed. Blind luck would have a couple pan out by now.
Look at how the "leaders" on this team are invisible in times of adversity. Instead of rallying around a kid that obviously needs some guidance and leadership... the veterans couldn't wait to bail on him. Loserville.
Culture of failure.
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amnesiac
beer is good
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matuski
Footballguy
Somewhere in the draft thread I said Johnny needed to go anywhere but Cleveland or Oakland. Damnit.hopefully they'll trade him and we'll both get our wish come true.
MAC_32
Footballguy
tough love is the only way you'll get through to him. Coddling led to this year. Tough love may or may not fix it, but it's the only way it might.Stop making excuses for him.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
MAC_32
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Macmeltdown32
Faust
MVP
Johnny Manziel: I have to learn or find another job
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000451422/article/johnny-manziel-i-have-to-learn-or-find-another-job
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000451422/article/johnny-manziel-i-have-to-learn-or-find-another-job
Faust
MVP
Johnny Manziel fades into the great unknown after shaky rookie year:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10955/johnny-manziel-fades-into-the-great-unknown-after-shaky-rookie-year
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10955/johnny-manziel-fades-into-the-great-unknown-after-shaky-rookie-year
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Can't really blame them for passing on Brady, since every team in the league passed on Brady for the first 5 rounds (including the Patriots).cstu said:
I was going to make a comment about Cleveland making terrible picks at quarterback, but when I browsed through all the NFL drafts of the past 10 years, I realized that Cleveland made terrible picks at nearly EVERY position. They just suck at drafting.
matuski
Footballguy
Quitting isn't tough love. Sounds like the excuses are on your end. This is a loser team, and Johnny's crap would have been handled easily in a strong locker room.MAC_32 said:
How much that would have helped on the field - who knows. If they weren't losers he would not have seen the field this year.
pantherclub
Footballguy
You are blaming Johnnys problems on the Browns? Jesus dude.
Its time to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Its time to take a long hard look in the mirror.
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matuski
Footballguy
Nobody is blaming his problem on the Browns..I'm blaming the Browns for being the Browns.
How many QBs do you need them to burn through in the next decade to realize the problem might not be the QB's?
Or you can show me where someone has taken the reigns in that locker room and really turned things around? Poor organizational leadership, poor locker room leadership.
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matuski
Footballguy
Controversial rookies go into other teams and disappear behind the faces of the teams they are on.
The Browns are so weak in this department there is nowhere for a rookie to hide. On the contrary, you get veterans on the team publicly throwing Gilbert and Manziel under the bus every chance they get.
Literally no player or coach with a persona big enough or strong enough to over shadow rookies.
The Browns are so weak in this department there is nowhere for a rookie to hide. On the contrary, you get veterans on the team publicly throwing Gilbert and Manziel under the bus every chance they get.
Literally no player or coach with a persona big enough or strong enough to over shadow rookies.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Johnny is starting to sound like Ryan Leaf -- always making excuses, lying about his activities, and generally sounding like a big baby.
Neofight
Footballguy
Or they get cut.
beer 30
Footballguy
"I brought this on myself. I brought these cameras and all these people that are in this locker room right now and I don't think it's fair to myself, I don't think it's fair to anybody in this locker room the distractions I've brought at points in time," Manziel said Monday, according to The Plain Dealer.
"So I'm sorry to these guys that are veterans in this locker room and know what it takes, that I'm having to learn the hard way. At the same time, I'm either going to learn or I'm going to be finding something else to do." Manziel said he overslept after staying out too late on Friday. He then offered a blunt self-assessment.
"There's nothing I can sit here and tell you," he said. "I can't sit here and talk to these mics or these cameras or anything that's going to do any good. It's about actions, it's about being accountable and doing what I'm going to say instead of looking like a jackass."
http://instagram.com/p/xOCZ1tOPHj/
Edit to add: Farmer said everyone was given leave for a week so John Q Football is well within his rights to be in South Beach.
"So I'm sorry to these guys that are veterans in this locker room and know what it takes, that I'm having to learn the hard way. At the same time, I'm either going to learn or I'm going to be finding something else to do." Manziel said he overslept after staying out too late on Friday. He then offered a blunt self-assessment.
"There's nothing I can sit here and tell you," he said. "I can't sit here and talk to these mics or these cameras or anything that's going to do any good. It's about actions, it's about being accountable and doing what I'm going to say instead of looking like a jackass."
http://instagram.com/p/xOCZ1tOPHj/
Edit to add: Farmer said everyone was given leave for a week so John Q Football is well within his rights to be in South Beach.
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Dizzy
Footballguy
I think the Browns actually wanted to do this. It seemed as though they tried to bury him for his first season... maybe give the whole "Johnny Football" thing a chance to die down a bit. That plan got torpedoed when the Browns found themselves in contention for a play-off spot combined with increasingly bad play of Hoyer. I don't think they had any intent on playing Manziel this year but their hand was forced IMO.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Trading the right to draft Julio for a bunch of guys who aren't on the team anymore.cstu said:
Faust
MVP
Browns' GM Farmer to Manziel: 'Don't talk about it. Just be about it'
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24923414/browns-gm-farmer-to-manziel-dont-talk-about-it-just-be-about-it
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24923414/browns-gm-farmer-to-manziel-dont-talk-about-it-just-be-about-it
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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Nothing forced their hand except their lack of organizational resolve (from owner on downward).
They weren't a QB away from going deep in the playoffs. Let Hoyer bungle away their season, who cares because you have 2 top 20 picks for next year to keep building.
I'm still curious who ultimately pulled the trigger on Manziel in the draft. It sure wasn't Pettine. He's too smart to have wanted "JFF".
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think a telltale sign might have been when they were meddling around with Grossman earlier in the year. They likely did not want him to compete for the starter position, as advertised, they probably wanted him in there as backup insurance for Hoyer.
beer 30
Footballguy
I think it's pretty clear it came from on high. The radio has been saying since the pick was made that Manziel was not the #1 QB on their draft board regardless of what Farmer said today to try to cover for his boss. Pretty sure they liked Teddy Bridgewater a whole lot better but nobody is going to come out and throw the guy who signs the checks under the bus.
cstu
Footballguy
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It takes an epic performance to make Tebow look good in comparison.
In a decade the argument on this board will be whether Leaf or Manziel was the bigger bust.
In a decade the argument on this board will be whether Leaf or Manziel was the bigger bust.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I could see how TB could have worked well in Pettine's scheme. He did pretty well in the end with Zimmer who seems to be trying for a similar strategy for prioritizing defense and a smart, ball control offense.
beer 30
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Johnny Manziel not exactly off to sterling start in offseason:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10972/latest-video-combines-with-chronology-to-show-johnny-manziel-doesnt-get-it
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/10972/latest-video-combines-with-chronology-to-show-johnny-manziel-doesnt-get-it
cstu
Footballguy
In other words, "I got paid and don't really care about what happens to Manziel's NFL career."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/peek-inside-johnny-football-circus-reveals-manziel-s-value-at-a-m-and-ncaa-s-poor-handling-of-it-all-062735852.html
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Faust
MVP
Browns' shotgun-heavy offense for Johnny Manziel wasn't enough:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11019/browns-shotgun-heavy-offense-for-johnny-manziel-wasnt-enough
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11019/browns-shotgun-heavy-offense-for-johnny-manziel-wasnt-enough
DocHolliday
Footballguy
As a Raider fan, I'm so thankful that JF went to the Browns. Carr has some potential. JF may mature and do ok in the NFL but it doesn't seem likely. His off field antics and lack of work ethic are of larger concern than his poor play in 2 games.Somewhere in the draft thread I said Johnny needed to go anywhere but Cleveland or Oakland. Damnit.hopefully they'll trade him and we'll both get our wish come true.
General manager Ray Farmer said players were given this week off, so Manziel being in Miami Beach is not an issue.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Public perception and reality have been merging.
http://instagram.com/p/xOCZ1tOPHj/?modal=true
Sounds like excuse making from a guy who has this pick hanging around his neck right now.
Manziel needs to realize he created this fate for himself and he needs to create a new public perception if he is going to stay in this league.
By the way, Johnny, you think James will still be your friend when you're out the league in a couple years? Doubt it.
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Faust
MVP
Details on Johnny Manziel's latest nightclub headline:
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11057/details-on-johnny-manziels-latest-nightclub-headline
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11057/details-on-johnny-manziels-latest-nightclub-headline
amnesiac
beer is good
so they are going to hire an actual wizard?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
This guy is the perfect coach in terms of one that speaks Johnny Football:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAW3LIRQGyU
-QG
amnesiac
beer is good
i dunno... he's not talking into a pile of money.
