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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

After watching Brees and others in recent years- I don't buy this argument entirely. I think it's the attitude/diva nature that bothers me more.

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His argument is pretty ridiculous, but there's really no reason to bring up Ferguson or the I can't breathe protests in response. Pretty poor taste here guys.

He certainly seems to have all you want in a QB. Arm strength, accuracy, and reads defense's very well. Would LOVE to see him in purple handing off to ADP and throwing to Patterson. :excited:

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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

Will go top 3, you're dreaming pal.

Yeah...I don't particularly like him and would still take a chance late 1st/early 2nd.

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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

Will go top 3, you're dreaming pal.

Yeah...I don't particularly like him and would still take a chance late 1st/early 2nd.

Same, but don't see the Jaguars and Vikings both passing on him. Top 5, even though I'm not sure he's worth it.

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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

I have no idea why people keep saying this :confused:

Based on what is listed out there, there are already 2 very good QB's starting for teams who are shorter and smaller then him.

Manziel - Height: 6 ft 1 in Weight: 210 lb

Brees - Height: 6 ft 0 in Weight: 209 lb

Wilson -Height: 5 ft 11 in Weight: 206 lb

I have no idea if he will be as good as they have been, but to proclaim he has no chance at being an elite QB because he is short is a :whoosh: to me.

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In the top 10 there are a bunch of teams that could use a franchise qb

HOU

TBB?

OAK?

JAX

CLE

MIN

TEN?

You might add STL to that list at 11 with a ?

Some of those teams might go with a vet, like Cutler, and some might stay with what they have.

Who are the best prospects? Bridgewater, Carr, then who?

This reminds me of the year Gabbert, Ponder and Locker went top ten because of need.

Odds are that a few teams might be tempted to reach for a QB

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In the top 10 there are a bunch of teams that could use a franchise qb

HOU

TBB?

OAK?

JAX

CLE

MIN

TEN?

You might add STL to that list at 11 with a ?

Some of those teams might go with a vet, like Cutler, and some might stay with what they have.

Who are the best prospects? Bridgewater, Carr, then who?

This reminds me of the year Gabbert, Ponder and Locker went top ten because of need.

Odds are that a few teams might be tempted to reach for a QB

I know Carr is ranked higher then others( Manziel, Bortles) and my only opportunity to watch him was vs. USC ..

But I REALLY didn't like what I saw from him when he was facing arguably the best defense he saw all year.

He had "happy feet" and his decision making under pressure left a lot to be desired..

:shrug:

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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

I have no idea why people keep saying this :confused:

Based on what is listed out there, there are already 2 very good QB's starting for teams who are shorter and smaller then him.

Manziel - Height: 6 ft 1 in Weight: 210 lb

Brees - Height: 6 ft 0 in Weight: 209 lb

Wilson -Height: 5 ft 11 in Weight: 206 lb

I have no idea if he will be as good as they have been, but to proclaim he has no chance at being an elite QB because he is short is a :whoosh: to me.

You're right but there is no denying that it hurts his chances of being a successful starting QB in the NFL. One of his greatest attributes (running) is not going to translate to the NFL. Teams should pass on picking him in the 1st round.

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Manzeil is too short and too small to ever be an elite NFL QB. He's a 4th round prospect at best.

I have no idea why people keep saying this :confused:

Based on what is listed out there, there are already 2 very good QB's starting for teams who are shorter and smaller then him.

Manziel - Height: 6 ft 1 in Weight: 210 lb

Brees - Height: 6 ft 0 in Weight: 209 lb

Wilson -Height: 5 ft 11 in Weight: 206 lb

I have no idea if he will be as good as they have been, but to proclaim he has no chance at being an elite QB because he is short is a :whoosh: to me.

You're right but there is no denying that it hurts his chances of being a successful starting QB in the NFL. One of his greatest attributes (running) is not going to translate to the NFL. Teams should pass on picking him in the 1st round.

:shrug: sure he runs a lot, but I'd argue his passing skills are not to shabby either.. He had some great passes and plays last night.

ended the night 30/38 382 yards, 4TD's and ZERO int's. :thumbup:

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Personally I think the guy will be a bust if he ends up on a perrenial bottom feeder like the Jags or Browns as he seems like a spoiled, rich kid who can't deal with adversity very well. One thing I know for certain is some team will reach for him high up in the first. The same can be said for most of the other qb's coming out who will be over-drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. If you don't have a legit QB in this league you are toast and teams know it so they are willing to draft these guys way ahead of more talented players at other positions.

I'm sure some of these guys will pan out, which ones who knows? I think sometimes it has as much to do with coaching and situation as talent. I think there have been many qb's drafted who had no shot to succeed given the environment they ended up in. Others were more fortunate and with the few truly great ones it didn't matter as they rose above whatever limitations were around them.

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His running opens up the passing opportunities. Those windows are going to be significantly smaller in the NFL. To be fair though he has a nice quick release and the velocity on his passes look above average. So he's got a decent arm. Not sure how accurate he is from the pocket. Some people see him scrambling around in the pocket like Big Ben does. If his pocket awareness and scrambling ability inside the pocket translates to the NFL then I could see that being valuable.

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Personally I think the guy will be a bust if he ends up on a perrenial bottom feeder like the Jags or Browns as he seems like a spoiled, rich kid who can't deal with adversity very well. One thing I know for certain is some team will reach for him high up in the first. The same can be said for most of the other qb's coming out who will be over-drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. If you don't have a legit QB in this league you are toast and teams know it so they are willing to draft these guys way ahead of more talented players at other positions.

I'm sure some of these guys will pan out, which ones who knows? I think sometimes it has as much to do with coaching and situation as talent. I think there have been many qb's drafted who had no shot to succeed given the environment they ended up in. Others were more fortunate and with the few truly great ones it didn't matter as they rose above whatever limitations were around them.

Their was no perrenial bottom feeder like New Orleans till they got Drew Brees.

Quarterback turns perrenial bottom feeders into Super Bowl winners if they have a solid core.

Jags lack that solid core.

Cleveland just had five players voted into the Pro Bowl so they have a solid core to turn things around quickly if they get the QB.

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Personally I think the guy will be a bust if he ends up on a perrenial bottom feeder like the Jags or Browns as he seems like a spoiled, rich kid who can't deal with adversity very well. One thing I know for certain is some team will reach for him high up in the first. The same can be said for most of the other qb's coming out who will be over-drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. If you don't have a legit QB in this league you are toast and teams know it so they are willing to draft these guys way ahead of more talented players at other positions.

I'm sure some of these guys will pan out, which ones who knows? I think sometimes it has as much to do with coaching and situation as talent. I think there have been many qb's drafted who had no shot to succeed given the environment they ended up in. Others were more fortunate and with the few truly great ones it didn't matter as they rose above whatever limitations were around them.

Their was no perrenial bottom feeder like New Orleans till they got Drew Brees.

Quarterback turns perrenial bottom feeders into Super Bowl winners if they have a solid core.

Jags lack that solid core.

Cleveland just had five players voted into the Pro Bowl so they have a solid core to turn things around quickly if they get the QB.

You could be right but even though they came from the same high school and have the same stature Manziel isn't Brees IMO especially mentally. Brees also was drafted and was given a chance to sit on the bench his first year which doesn't happen nowadays. Brees also endured a lot of failure/frustration early on in his career in SD and overcame it. If Manziel is faced with the same path I would be shocked to see him come out of it.

As far as situtation Cleveland has some talent, especially Cameron/ Gordon but who is going to be the coach? Mc Daniels or some unproven coordinator from Seattle? Those are big ?? IMO and some teams like Cleveland just seem to never catch a break. I feel sorry for their fans and would really like to see them turn it around as they deserve better. I just question whether or nor Manziel has the mental fortitiude to deal with a lot of adversity early on if things don't go well.

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Everyone talks about how his running won't translate into the NFL, but Manziel consistently makes throws that are flat out jaw dropping. Or they say he's not mentally ready for the NFL but he had every opportunity to implode last night down 38-17 with Duke getting the ball to start the 2nd half. He never quit on that team despite the defense not stopping Duke once in the 1st half. He was on the sideline constantly riding people to never give up and took the team on his back in the 2nd half and made plays that I don't know if anyone else could've made. I'm not sure what else the guy could do, if you truly watched him play this year and still think he has no shot to succeed in the NFL just because he's not 6'4" then its pretty pointless to debate anymore because there is nothing he's ever going to do in college that will change people's minds about him. He's 6'1" and acted like a knucklehead in the offseason so people made up their mind about him and ignored everything he did to improve his game this year. Certainly his size will work against him at the next level, but I haven't seen anything that would make me think he doesn't have the skills to be able to overcome it like some others have. No idea if he'll succeed in the NFL, but I'm not going to label him a bust just because he's not the prototypical size, he's got one of the quickest releases I've seen in a while and his instincts for the game are immeasurable. I enjoy watching him play so I hope he keeps his head on straight and has some success in the NFL.

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He is NOT Brees.

But he does sort of remind me of Russell Wilson, in that neither has truly elite physical skill, but they both seem to have the "never give up" attitude. If Johnny weren't such a #####, I'd actually be cheering for the guy.

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Personally I think the guy will be a bust if he ends up on a perrenial bottom feeder like the Jags or Browns as he seems like a spoiled, rich kid who can't deal with adversity very well. One thing I know for certain is some team will reach for him high up in the first. The same can be said for most of the other qb's coming out who will be over-drafted strictly from a talent standpoint. If you don't have a legit QB in this league you are toast and teams know it so they are willing to draft these guys way ahead of more talented players at other positions.

I'm sure some of these guys will pan out, which ones who knows? I think sometimes it has as much to do with coaching and situation as talent. I think there have been many qb's drafted who had no shot to succeed given the environment they ended up in. Others were more fortunate and with the few truly great ones it didn't matter as they rose above whatever limitations were around them.

Their was no perrenial bottom feeder like New Orleans till they got Drew Brees.

Quarterback turns perrenial bottom feeders into Super Bowl winners if they have a solid core.

Jags lack that solid core.

Cleveland just had five players voted into the Pro Bowl so they have a solid core to turn things around quickly if they get the QB.

Would anyone really want Blackmon and Manziel or Gordon and Manziel on the same team? Better hire a disciplinarian.

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Everyone talks about how his running won't translate into the NFL, but Manziel consistently makes throws that are flat out jaw dropping. Or they say he's not mentally ready for the NFL but he had every opportunity to implode last night down 38-17 with Duke getting the ball to start the 2nd half. He never quit on that team despite the defense not stopping Duke once in the 1st half. He was on the sideline constantly riding people to never give up and took the team on his back in the 2nd half and made plays that I don't know if anyone else could've made. I'm not sure what else the guy could do, if you truly watched him play this year and still think he has no shot to succeed in the NFL just because he's not 6'4" then its pretty pointless to debate anymore because there is nothing he's ever going to do that will change people's minds about him. He's 6'1" and acted like a knucklehead in the offseason so people made up their mind about him and ignored everything he did to improve his game this year.

:goodposting:

Manziel was impressive last night. He willed his team to victory. He is a playmaker and a leader at the most important position in football.

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Everyone talks about how his running won't translate into the NFL, but Manziel consistently makes throws that are flat out jaw dropping. Or they say he's not mentally ready for the NFL but he had every opportunity to implode last night down 38-17 with Duke getting the ball to start the 2nd half. He never quit on that team despite the defense not stopping Duke once in the 1st half. He was on the sideline constantly riding people to never give up and took the team on his back in the 2nd half and made plays that I don't know if anyone else could've made. I'm not sure what else the guy could do, if you truly watched him play this year and still think he has no shot to succeed in the NFL just because he's not 6'4" then its pretty pointless to debate anymore because there is nothing he's ever going to do in college that will change people's minds about him. He's 6'1" and acted like a knucklehead in the offseason so people made up their mind about him and ignored everything he did to improve his game this year. Certainly his size will work against him at the next level, but I haven't seen anything that would make me think he doesn't have the skills to be able to overcome it like some others have. No idea if he'll succeed in the NFL, but I'm not going to label him a bust just because he's not the prototypical size, he's got one of the quickest releases I've seen in a while and his instincts for the game are immeasurable. I enjoy watching him play so I hope he keeps his head on straight and has some success in the NFL.

he is not 6'1 and he doesnt have a strong arm. Basically everyone acknowledges this

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Everyone talks about how his running won't translate into the NFL, but Manziel consistently makes throws that are flat out jaw dropping. Or they say he's not mentally ready for the NFL but he had every opportunity to implode last night down 38-17 with Duke getting the ball to start the 2nd half. He never quit on that team despite the defense not stopping Duke once in the 1st half. He was on the sideline constantly riding people to never give up and took the team on his back in the 2nd half and made plays that I don't know if anyone else could've made. I'm not sure what else the guy could do, if you truly watched him play this year and still think he has no shot to succeed in the NFL just because he's not 6'4" then its pretty pointless to debate anymore because there is nothing he's ever going to do that will change people's minds about him. He's 6'1" and acted like a knucklehead in the offseason so people made up their mind about him and ignored everything he did to improve his game this year.

Sorry but you didn't see what I saw last night. On the field he is never going to have the kind of room to run like he had in that game as NFL defensive players are night and day speed-wise as compared to Duke players. He's not RG3 from 2012 as far as running ability. He has some elusiveness and can improvise and make plays but I don't see him trying to hurdle over a defender, land on his feet, scramble and then make a throw in the NFL.

I'm not declaring him a bust but I also feel his chances of being one are much greater than other players who don't have his maturity issues. If you don't see any red flags with his on and off the field behavior and lack of maturity then I guess I won't waste my time discussing it any further. To me there are huge concerns with his overall attitude and lack of maturity.

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he is not 6'1 and he doesnt have a strong arm. Basically everyone acknowledges this

That's what ESPN had him listed at last night and what several websites have him listed at, he does look smaller than that to me so I have no idea what his actual height is as they usually inflate it, but I really have no desire to debate over whether he's 6'0" or 6'1" or whatever, he looks at least as tall as Brees/Wilson/Vick etc. its not like he's 5'8".

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If you don't see any red flags with his on and off the field behavior and lack of maturity then I guess I won't waste my time discussing it any further. To me there are huge concerns with his overall attitude and lack of maturity.

Absolutely there are off the field maturity concerns/red flags. On the field, I would disagree, you can't ask for more than what he did to carry that team on his back numerous times this season. It's not like he's Cam Newton pouting on the sidelines because his teammates let him down.

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He is NOT Brees.

But he does sort of remind me of Russell Wilson, in that neither has truly elite physical skill, but they both seem to have the "never give up" attitude. If Johnny weren't such a #####, I'd actually be cheering for the guy.

This is where I'm at with him. I will say that the talent is clearly there.

For those complaining about an average arm strength, Brees, Brady, Manning don't exactly have cannons. They have timing, scheme, rhythm. Flacco and Kaep have cannons, Locker too. Granted 2 of those guys were in the SB last year, but they had very strong teams and organizations around them.

Average arm strength is all a QB needs if he can develop reading defenses, progressions, timing and accuracy.

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Their was no perrenial bottom feeder like New Orleans till they got Drew Brees.

Quarterback turns perrenial bottom feeders into Super Bowl winners if they have a solid core.

Jags lack that solid core.

Cleveland just had five players voted into the Pro Bowl so they have a solid core to turn things around quickly if they get the QB.

You could be right but even though they came from the same high school and have the same stature Manziel isn't Brees IMO especially mentally. Brees also was drafted and was given a chance to sit on the bench his first year which doesn't happen nowadays. Brees also endured a lot of failure/frustration early on in his career in SD and overcame it. If Manziel is faced with the same path I would be shocked to see him come out of it.

As far as situtation Cleveland has some talent, especially Cameron/ Gordon but who is going to be the coach? Mc Daniels or some unproven coordinator from Seattle? Those are big ?? IMO and some teams like Cleveland just seem to never catch a break. I feel sorry for their fans and would really like to see them turn it around as they deserve better. I just question whether or nor Manziel has the mental fortitiude to deal with a lot of adversity early on if things don't go well.

Never said jot about Manziel being Brees.

Point is the Saints were a bottom feeder till they got the QB. They had a solid core in place and turned things round quickly.

Cleveland has a solid core in place, two first round draft picks plus extra third and fourth round picks and lots of free agent money to spend.

If they get a QB, the Browns will turn it around quickly.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/01/browns-job-may-be-the-best-of-the-bunch/

Browns job may be the best of the bunch

Posted by Mike Florio on January 1, 2014, 9:10 AM EST

With six NFL head-coaching jobs open, one stands above the rest as the bunch.

And, no, it’s not the Lions.

In Cleveland, the Browns have five Pro Bowlers: left tackle Joe Thomas, center Alex Mack, wide receiver Josh Gordon, tight end Jordan Cameron and cornerback Joe Haden. They have a young roster — currently the second-youngest in the league.

They’ll likely get even younger in 2014, with 10 draft picks. Three of those come in the first 35 selections.

But they also have the ability to get older if they want, with nearly $40 million in cap space on the books for 2014.

The biggest attraction comes from the ability of the next coach to hand pick his next quarterback, subject to whatever the teams holding the first three picks in the draft choose to do (and the wishes of the front office). Given the existing talent, the draft picks, the cap space, and the void at quarterback, the Browns in 2014 may be an even better version of the Chiefs in 2013, who with the addition of Andy Reid and Alex Smith went from 2-14 to 11-5.

There’s one potential caveat, as there always is when things seem to be too good to be true. Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland believes that former coach Rob Chudzinski failed in part because he gave short shrift to quarterback Brian Hoyer, a favorite of G.M. Mike Lombardi who showed a high degree of ability when the third-stringer finally got a chance to play. If the powers-that-be in Cleveland want to roll with Hoyer, the new coach may have his hands tied.

Then again, the new coach may also have the ability to ignore Hoyer or any other players on whom the front office is high, because there’s no way the Browns could pull off a second straight one-and-done head coach. Though the next coach may not make it to a third year, there’s no way he’s getting fired after one.

While these circumstances position the Browns to get anyone they want, the prevailing belief in league circles is that they definitely want Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels — and that they wouldn’t have fired Chudzinski unless they knew they could get McDaniels.

So why all the other names and interviews, if McDaniels is the guy? Apart from ensuring compliance with the Rooney Rule, the Browns need to create the impression that they turned rocks and kicked tires before choosing a previously failed Belichick disciple who may fail a second time — just as Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini have done.

Besides, the Browns need to have a good fallback plan in place (Plan B could be Jim Schwartz). Last year, Chudzinski became the candidate for whom the Browns settled. While the organization deserves credit for admitting quickly that they hired the wrong guy, the decision to fire him represents a clear admission that, last time around, they definitely hired the wrong guy.

If they don’t get it right this time, owner Jimmy Haslam could be firing more people than the coach.

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Of the bottom teams who need a QB, Cleveland, Houston and Minnesota probably have the best rosters for a young QB to come in and have a winning season. Jacksonville is a dark horse.

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Manziel to the Texans, lock it up.

:yes:

I would be worried about his off the field stuff so close to home

It might be better for Johnny off the field wise to get away from home

People keep saying this.. what off the field stuff?

This horrible kid signed autographs and had the audacity to sit court-side at a basketball game, and he Tweets stupid kid stuff!!! :mellow:

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If you're discounting Johnny's off the field stuff you need to read more about him. He's the #### you I won't do what you tell me type. Maddening for the control freak tendencies of the NFL.

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Manziel to the Texans, lock it up.

:yes:

I would be worried about his off the field stuff so close to home

It might be better for Johnny off the field wise to get away from home

People keep saying this.. what off the field stuff?

This horrible kid signed autographs and had the audacity to sit court-side at a basketball game, and he Tweets stupid kid stuff!!! :mellow:

You serious clark?

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I really don't understand how people say his arm is weak. He made plenty of NFL throws last night and all season long. The 15 yard deep out to the far sideline was made 2 or 3 times with plenty of velocity. He throws a great spiral and is a great deep ball thrower. Please go on YouTube and you can watch every game with only his plays, not just his scrambling highlights. I've seen every single play since the Bama game last year. Arm strength is not a concern at all. His release is Vick like, extremely quick. If you put him in a spread offense in the NFL he will have great success. He is so good in space and his instincts are ridiculous. In another thread a year ago I argued he would be a top 3 pick, I got laughed at. There is a reason every single scout is changing their minds about him because the tape doesn't lie. He has grown tremendously as a passer this season. Scouts don't give you a top 10 grade if there are concerns of arm strength. I can't predict the future but I do know I've seen enough to warrant a top 3 pick. I believe Bridgewater should be the only player taken ahead of him, if anyone. I understand a lot of people want this kid to fail but it's pretty silly to say he can't throw. The only concerns I see are his size and lowering his shoulder on runs. It will be interesting come May. I feel the Rams will trade the number 2 pick because JFF and Ted are great prospects and they will get a lot in return for that pick. Maybe not as much as they got for RG3 but we will have to wait for the combine and see.

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But he does sort of remind me of Russell Wilson, in that neither has truly elite physical skill, but they both seem to have the "never give up" attitude.

Yep, the play last night was very similar to plays Russell makes frequently. They both have a passion to win, might come from being small guys I dunno.

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Manziel to the Texans, lock it up.

:yes:

I would be worried about his off the field stuff so close to home

It might be better for Johnny off the field wise to get away from home

People keep saying this.. what off the field stuff?

This horrible kid signed autographs and had the audacity to sit court-side at a basketball game, and he Tweets stupid kid stuff!!! :mellow:

You serious clark?

Yes, please inform me about the serious off field issues that have so far impacted his play... not one bit.

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Johnny Manziel cements his status as franchise quarterback

By Bucky Brooks

NFL Media analyst

NFL evaluators pay close attention to how well elite prospects perform in bowl games. Executives believe these contests rival the intensity and competitiveness of NFL games, while also creating a big-game atmosphere that allows observers to witness a player under pressure.

While Johnny Manziel has played in a ton of big games in his brief career, I thought it was important to see how well the former Heisman Trophy winner performed in the Chick fil-A Bowl after finishing the regular season with a pair of lackluster games. With a national television audience paying close attention to his every move, Manziel put on an epic performance that cemented his status as one of the top quarterbacks in college football, and a future franchise player at the next level. Watching it up close and personal, here are my thoughts on Manziel's game and it projects in the NFL:

Athleticism

Johnny Football took the college football world by storm a season ago by showcasing a sandlot game built on improvisational playmaking. Part of his success stemmed from his exceptional speed, quickness and movement skills. Few quarterbacks in the college game can rival his elusiveness in tight quarters, making him a rare commodity at the position.

Watching Manziel work his magic on the Georgia Dome turf against the Blue Devils, I was blown away by his sudden acceleration and burst. He is quicker than a hiccup in space, with a knack for making defenders miss in the hole. Although he has scaled back on his impromptu runs this season, it's nearly impossible to contain Manziel when he elects to use his legs as a primary weapon.

I must express some concern about his durability based on his diminutive stature and willingness to seek out contact, but I don't believe it will be a major issue because of his combination of instincts and athleticism. He has a knack for avoiding the big shot, which is why he is such a threat when he gets on the perimeter.

Arm talent

Questions about Manziel's arm strength and range dominated the discussion in the NFL scouting community during the offseason. Evaluators wondered if Manziel could make big-boy throws from the pocket, particularly the deep out from the opposite hash and the go-route down the boundary.

Watching Manziel pick apart the Blue Devils, there's no doubt in my mind that he can make every throw in the book. He attacked every area of the field with a variety of fastballs and rainbows to open receivers. Additionally, Manziel showed the ability to squeeze the ball into tight windows between the hashes. While those traits are expected of a franchise quarterback, I believe Manziel's unique ability to deliver accurate throws from various throwing platforms separates him from the pack. He will use a sidearm or three-quarters release to avoid rushers in close proximity, yet the ball still hits receivers in the strike zone. This characteristic makes him a threat to create big plays against the blitz from anywhere on the field.

Given the relentless blitz tactics favored by the majority of NFL defensive coaches, Manziel's unique arm talent could make him indefensible as a pro.

Pocket presence

Manziel needed to prove to scouts that he could perform from the pocket to be considered a franchise-caliber quarterback. Although coaches and scouts love his improvisational skills, Manziel will be forced to play inside the pocket at the next level. Defensive coordinators will attempt to clog running lanes on the interior and dare the diminutive signal caller to make a series of accurate throws with a multitude of big bodies in his face.

Looking at Manziel operate against Duke, I believe he has grown immensely as a pocket passer. He comfortably makes pinpoint throws from the pocket, exhibiting quiet feet and solid mechanics. Manziel's displayed outstanding timing, ball placement and anticipation on quick-rhythm and intermediate throws. Although he was unable to consistently connect on the deep ball, Manziel's rainbow tosses were delivered on time, with plenty of arc to allow his receivers to settle under the throw.

Football intelligence

Manziel's freewheeling style leads some observers to overlook his brilliant football mind. But astute evaluators can appreciate the mastery of the pre-snap phase when they take a hard look at his game.

Watching Manziel direct the Aggies' fast-paced offense, I was encouraged by his ability to quickly decipher fronts and coverage at the line of scrimmage. He routinely pointed out the potential rushers, and hit the predetermined hot reads to counter the blitz. Facing soft coverage, Manziel worked through his reads to hit the open receiver in the progression. Although he ran around on occasion before doing so, Manziel displayed plenty of discipline and awareness playing "connect the dots" from the pocket. NFL offensive coordinators will rave about his feel for the game when studying this tape, leading to rise up the charts when draft day approaches.

Clutch factor

The term "swagger" is overused in sports today, but Manziel's game is dipped in confidence and self-belief. He seemingly walks on the field with a boulder-sized chip on his shoulder, yet his teammates respond to his bodacious leadership style. Watching the Aggies rally back from an enormous deficit, I witnessed Manziel's teammates feed off his energy and enthusiasm. After he put together a series of spectacular plays, the team started to play with the bounce of a heavyweight champion. Manziel continued to build the momentum by delivering big plays in key moments. From his terrific back-shoulder fade toss to Mike Evans to the nifty bootleg jaunt to pull the Aggies to within three points, Manziel made every play down the stretch to keep his team in the game.

Conclusion

Manziel hasn't decided whether to enter the 2014 draft, but I'm sure there are several NFL coaches and scouts clamoring for a playmaker of his caliber at the quarterback position. He has all of the tools and confidence to emerge as a franchise player at the position despite lacking ideal physical dimensions for the spot.

While it will take an innovative offensive coordinator to craft a scheme to maximize his talents, I can see Manziel fitting into a West Coast offense that features a ton of movement/waggle passes like the Houston Texans utilized under Gary Kubiak. Additionally, I can see Manziel thriving in an uptempo scheme that mixes spread formations with a rapid pace. Given the freedom to operate in a wide-open offense, Manziel could help an offense produce fireworks with a capable supporting cast.

Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.

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Good post and info Faust, but this comment really made the article hard to take seriously...

Given the relentless blitz tactics favored by the majority of NFL defensive coaches, Manziel's unique arm talent could make him indefensible as a pro.

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Manziel to the Texans, lock it up.

:yes:

I would be worried about his off the field stuff so close to home

It might be better for Johnny off the field wise to get away from home

People keep saying this.. what off the field stuff?

This horrible kid signed autographs and had the audacity to sit court-side at a basketball game, and he Tweets stupid kid stuff!!! :mellow:

You serious clark?

Yes, please inform me about the serious off field issues that have so far impacted his play... not one bit.

:shrug:

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Good post and info Faust, but this comment really made the article hard to take seriously...

Given the relentless blitz tactics favored by the majority of NFL defensive coaches, Manziel's unique arm talent could make him indefensible as a pro.

Take that statement in context.

He isn't saying he has an overpowering arm. He's saying he can deliver with SUFFICIENT velocity from multiple platforms which would be dictated by pressure from multiple spots.

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Good post and info Faust, but this comment really made the article hard to take seriously...

Given the relentless blitz tactics favored by the majority of NFL defensive coaches, Manziel's unique arm talent could make him indefensible as a pro.

Take that statement in context.

He isn't saying he has an overpowering arm. He's saying he can deliver with SUFFICIENT velocity from multiple platforms which would be dictated by pressure from multiple spots.

I know what he thinks he said. But he used 'indefensible' which is hyperbole, yet in context there's nothing to suggest the author was using hyperbole intentionally.

No QB is indefensible against NFL Defenses. Some are very hard to defend. But no one is indefensible.

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