Leroy Hoard 14,006 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The old man of defense is waiting for him this week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Share Posted September 19, 2015 Johnny Manziel vs. Marcus Mariota: Who wins? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Share Posted September 19, 2015 Discussion continues to rage about Johnny Manziel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 889 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Titans defense only ranked 10th this week. should be much higher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Share Posted September 19, 2015 The old man of defense is waiting for him this week. Johnny Manziel draws the #### LeBeau card against Titans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share Posted September 20, 2015 Browns' Johnny Manziel not playing for starting QB job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracie Smathers 3,769 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Hi Merril. Nice tie. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasmaDogPlasma 7,345 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Browns' Johnny Manziel not playing for starting QB jobThis article is complete nonsense. I realize it's just based on the nonsense the Browns organization is putting out, but Johnny absolutely is playing with opportunity to take over as the Browns starter any time he gets on the field. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Man With No Name 1,139 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Just like college 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FUBAR 3,203 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Just like collegeTo be fair, the Titans d isn't much better than he faced in college Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bri 1,900 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 He used his feet very well, somewhat wise. Buying time, forcing the D to cover for far too long. It's very hard to defense.Everyone is going to say the DEs gotta be disciplined and not let him get past them but he is a playground QB getting out of the pocket. Easier said than done.He had to play maybe 2 quarters today and hand it off for the other 2, but he was very calm too. I didn't expect that either.He may have to win some games, sure but as long as the D only needs 14-20ish points his job is pretty simple and he can probably do it. Very low pressure low stress, nice spot for him.I don't know how he'll do if he's gotta put up 35 (which would mean colossal failure by a top secondary) but these easy games will give him confidence til then. All the critics can harp on things-maybe some junk like take away the two bombs and what did he do? But this is another step and he is about following the script perfectly since last year. Ways to go to be studly or even a franchise QB, but yet another step. Kudos to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 5,022 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 889 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win. looking forward to actually watching him do it again.still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carter_Can_Fly 179 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win.looking forward to actually watching him do it again.still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable.His playing style so far has been different then I expected. He is getting outside the pocket and throwing down field as opposed to scrambling. That is a positive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
amnesiac 889 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win.looking forward to actually watching him do it again.still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable. His playing style so far has been different then I expected. He is getting outside the pocket and throwing down field as opposed to scrambling. That is a positive. Deiken and Donovan both said the same thing on the radio broadcast today which makes me hopeful that he's starting to get it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MAC_32 12,779 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win. looking forward to actually watching him do it again.still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable.he fumbled two more times, but the browns got them this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Manziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-day Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,051 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Manziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-dayhe completed 8 passes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
werdnoynek 166 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Manziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-dayhe completed 8 passesOver half that he attempted and 2 of which went for a tuddy. I'd say that's quite a day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carter_Can_Fly 179 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Manziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-dayhe completed 8 passesIt was a very conservative game plan for Cleveland after getting the big lead early. Johnny only had 17 attempts and I think 3 of them were throw aways. He had a 133.9 QB rating. Manziel was not asked to do a ton but definitely made a couple of great throws. Tough for anyone to question his arm strength at this stage as he has more than enough to make all throws especially those big ones down the field to keep a D honest.All around Manziel had a very good game and will only get more comfortable with playing time. There is no way McCown makes that 2nd TD throw on the roll out that Johnny did. Even the haters will have to admit that Johnny has made some huge strides from last year to this year. There is still plenty of room to grow but at least it looks as though he has a shot and the upside still remains high. He stepped in and won the home opener and will gain support from his team-mates as he already had this off season. Keep in mind Manziel is a first rounder and is 22 years of age who has started a grand total of 3 games. The fact Merril Hoge or anyone else was writing him off so quickly was not only ridiculous but just plain dumb. There is a lot left to be written but he looks much improved. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Johnny Manziel should remain Browns' starting QB:http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/15641/johnny-manziel-should-remain-the-browns-starting-qb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carter_Can_Fly 179 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matuski 5,022 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.I'd prefer they sit him for the year and try again with some skill help next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carter_Can_Fly 179 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.I'd prefer they sit him for the year and try again with some skill help next year.Playing time is valuable. You can draft skill guys regardless and he will be a year more seasoned to work with them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peyton Marino 4,780 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Titans defense only ranked 10th this week.should be much higher.yooooooooo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Report: Browns 'likely' going with Josh McCown over Johnny Manziel http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25311773/report-browns-likely-going-with-josh-mccown-over-johnny-manziel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Johnny Manziel knows he must stop fumbling:http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/180386/johnny-manziel-knows-he-must-stop-fumbling Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daveR 241 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coeur de Lion 4,904 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-Deep 958 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.here's the problemManziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coach Quote Link to post Share on other sites
msudaisy26 5,965 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Hasn't he only started like 3 games? This team is going no where with either quarterback, but Manziel should be the starter. In my opinion Manziel has less than a 5 percent chance to be the long term answer for the Browns as the starting qb, but McCown has a 0 percent chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pantherclub 2,051 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
franchise punter 3 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point? Well he just won a game. Also you could say the same thing about McCown. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coeur de Lion 4,904 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.here's the problemManziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coachAgreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.And really, is a 6-7 win season with McCown more likely to keep folks around than a 4-5 win season if Manziel implodes? Edited September 22, 2015 by Coeur de Lion Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-Deep 958 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.here's the problemManziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coachAgreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.And really, is a 6-7 win season with McCown more likely to keep folks around than a 4-5 win season if Manziel implodes?i do not knowbut i can see how a coach who thinks his job is on the line would rather the safer play than the riskier one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carter_Can_Fly 179 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point?I don't follow. So far this year one start and 1 win for Manziel who had a great qb rating and made a couple of highlight reel throws in only his 3rd start of his young career. To say he stinks at this stage is short sighted and dumb. You or I have no idea if Manziel is going to end up stinking long term, but if I was the Browns franchise it would seem the smart play would let Manziel play and even play through some mistakes to know for sure or not what you have in him. Because truthfully you can only tell what you have when you actually start playing these guys on Sundays.McCown is not a long term answer and he has 0 upside long term and I am not even convinced he gives you a better chance at winning games even this year. I get the coaches and Browns were hesitant with Manziel based on that debacle of a rookie year, but he has grown leaps and bounds as evident by the word out of the locker room and what we saw in that first start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
msudaisy26 5,965 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now. Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working? So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.here's the problemManziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coachAgreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.And really, is a 6-7 win season with McCown more likely to keep folks around than a 4-5 win season if Manziel implodes?i do not knowbut i can see how a coach who thinks his job is on the line would rather the safer play than the riskier oneThere isn't a safer play and if you are going to get fired for winning 4 or 5 games you are most likely going to get fired for winning 6 or 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Manziel 'obviously' disappointed he won't start:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000537632/article/manziel-obviously-disappointed-he-wont-start Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Johnny Manziel not yet where Browns coaches want him to be:http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/15695/johnny-manziel-not-yet-where-browns-coaches-want-him-to-be Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 Greg Cosell on Johnny Manziel: 'He lacks pocket instincts'http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleveland-browns-johnny-manziel-greg-cosell-the-herd-he-lacks-pocket-instincts-092415 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 25, 2015 Author Share Posted September 25, 2015 Joe Thomas, John DeFilippo give concrete examples of Johnny Manziel's growth:http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/15719/joe-thomas-john-defilippo-give-concrete-examples-of-johnny-manziels-growth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 Johnny Manziel, backup QB? No. 2 should be No. 1 in Cleveland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 Film Study: Why revamped Johnny Manziel deserves Browns' starting jobhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25313104/film-study-why-revamped-johnny-manziel-deserves-browns-starting-job Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Retukes 328 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The most popular player on the team is the backup quarterback. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Johnny Manziel's improvement not lost on Browns coaches, players Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Browns still won't consider starting Manziel after McCown's latest dud:http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25320657/browns-still-wont-consider-starting-johnny-manziel-after-mccowns-latest-dud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 TMZ quotes three unnamed Browns saying Johnny Manziel should start:http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/15772/tmz-quotes-three-unnamed-browns-saying-johnny-manziel-should-start Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Browns WR: TMZ story that players want Manziel '1000% made up'http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25321641/browns-wr-story-that-players-shocked-by-manziel-benching-1000-made-up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,616 Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 A Manziel package? 'Always a possibility,' OC says: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000547332/article/a-manziel-package-always-a-possibility-oc-says Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grahamburn 2,099 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 He's gotta still be botching things up behind the scenes to not be starting at this point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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