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His ADP at DFW right now is QB32. The only QBs ahead of him on that list who I'd prefer Manziel to are Peyton and Nick Foles.
QBR is the dumbest stat ever. Ryan Tannehill 2nd-worst in the league? Come on.
Quarterbacks on that list that the 32 GMs would prefer Manziel over: Hmmm, maybe Hasselback because of the age. One.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000601354/article/browns-benjamin-on-manziel-that-guys-a-baller
Any rating system that would have Johnny Manziel ahead of Carr and Bortles is downright laughable. I was actually coming to say that he it appears he played a good game against San Francisco. His numbers were decent and he got the win. But when I saw that list, I almost spit out my coffee.
Let's see how he does this week when he's not facing the league's 27th ranked pass defense. Mkay?
I see how you are framing the Legion of Boom as something you can sneeze at.. If Manziel does good again, it's just the 19th best passing defense.
I said the 19th best will pose a tougher test than the 27th best. Are you disputing that fact? Or the fact that the Seahawks are 19th in passing yards allowed?
You disagree with anything I said in the post above you when discussing his performance yesterday? Or do you just want to troll?
Seems like you and Smokey the Monster are the ones going on and on about his frat boy lifestyle. He was benched. Admitted it was his fault. And has moved on. And played a good game yesterday. Which I haven't heard or seen anyone dispute. Enjoy your day. Why stay hung up on Petine's punishment? Just like Eddie Lacy and his demotion, both seemed to have responded in a positive way. Good coaching by both.
You are the one who keeps commenting on it.. I'm talking about our inability to evaluate Manziel because he's playing cupcakes everyweek.
he looked pretty good against the Titans earlier this year. The guy can play well enough to be a starting QB, but probably not a very good one long term. The trick will be keeping his #### together.
R-E-L-A-X.
Ouch. Please stop having fun at my expense, You'll never fully understand how much that bothers me..
I agree with this. There are guys like Case Keenum and Matt Cassell starting NFL games. Manziel is definitely better than them. His obstacles will be staying out of trouble and staying in one piece. He'd be fun to watch for his team's fanbase.
My bad. I looked at their offense. That's 19th in passing yards and averaging 237.5 ypg. It is 6th at 224. I stand corrected.
If someone starts saying he didn't play well against San Fran then I'll be sure to pop in and correct them like some have with the Pittsburgh game. He had one bonehead play and one bad misread in each game. I can't think of much negative otherwise. Not bad for a guy in his 5th and 6th career starts. Exceeding my expectations. Big tests coming up though...Ouch. Please stop having fun at my expense, You'll never fully understand how much that bothers me..
Now would you like to contribute to the thread or just troll some more?
The play I referred to was the sack when no one was within 30 yards of Duke all alone on the sideline begging for an 80 yd TD. I can live with a few inaccurate throws and occasionally holding onto the ball too long, but that was egregious.
IMO the answer is closer to 24. Assuming you're talking about this year and next.
After the first drive, wasn't given much of a chance. Defense was horrendous again, very browns-esque penalty on the last play of the half gift wrapping a field goal with no time on the clock. Didn't get a stop until the third quarter. He had drives killed with drops then once it became obvious passing downs because the defense couldn't stop anyone it was all over. They can draft a qb but unless he can lead the team to 35 points per game with Gary Barnidge and an army of receivers that can't get jobs elsewhere it doesn't matter.
Browns haven't used many 1st round QB's. Tim Couch withstanding, they all needed to be replaced too.
