lol. So why did he go? You suppose he heard they had good food there?
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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (2 Viewers)
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
Johnny wants out of Cleveland. He knows he has a home in Dallas.
pantherclub
Footballguy
And Jerry is just dumb enough to sign him
dirtyjay
Footballguy
Stop trying to provide reason, that doesnt fly with many. I have heard of many people going to rehab, and it had nothing to do with alcohol. Also, if he went to rehab and wants a drink that is his business and anyone else who cares about a grown man drinking is the one with a bigger issue. A issue that makes them believe they should have say in someones life they do not know.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
If Manziel agreed to quit partying and focus on his job then there is a problem. This is really about what the Browns and Manziel agreed upon. It has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Meh, tough to get worked up about him holding an aluminium can on Christmas Eve.
I doubt his ability to become a legit NFL QB, and he's probably a little bit of a jerk.
But I do empathize with his situation. Being under the microscope, with people definitely looking to catch him slipping up, and playing for Cleveland, that's a tough spot for any player to be in.
By the way, I never heard any details about what he was or wasn't allowed to drink. I'm not sure that this is even newsworthy. He was in rehab, I know. Doesn't mean he's an alcoholic.
I doubt his ability to become a legit NFL QB, and he's probably a little bit of a jerk.
But I do empathize with his situation. Being under the microscope, with people definitely looking to catch him slipping up, and playing for Cleveland, that's a tough spot for any player to be in.
By the way, I never heard any details about what he was or wasn't allowed to drink. I'm not sure that this is even newsworthy. He was in rehab, I know. Doesn't mean he's an alcoholic.
His boy being a top GM candidate and him trying to go out of his way to say I'm not getting my son a job has me hmmm here
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I think the more interesting take on Wolf coming in as a consultant is his well-known philosophy pertaining to drafting quarterbacks.
Cut and pasted from an old article where Mike Holmgren said he's of the Ron Wolf school of taking a quarterback every draft. His philosophy was to take a MID OR LATE ROUND PICK on a QB every year but he already had an established QB in Farve so that was easy to adhere to.
I'm not sure how he'd apply his tried-and-true QB drafting philosophy to the Browns and the Manziel situation.
Since this is an old article the link is busted.-----------
i suppose i coulda worded it a bit better. just bc he went to rehab, does not mean that he should never drink again. plenty of ppl get in trouble, and/or go to rehab only to later on get their sht together and enjoy alcohol responsibly.
But as Jerry Jones has proven, he doesn't care if you're a drunk, a woman beater, or an underwear thief. As long as you are a good player. He continues to keep Greg Hardy, even going so far as to call him a leader, while he cut Joseph Randle. Jones won't care one bit that Manziel acts like a 16 year-old after his first beer. But if he doesn't learn how to read defenses and pass the ball, he'll be with Randle, bagging groceries.
jabarony
Footballguy
Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
ghostguy123
Footballguy
At no point did I say I thought JOhnny gives them the best chance to win.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.dirtyjay said:People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
I said if Pettine made a decision based on anything other than winning the n ext game, he is an idiot. And yes, starting Davis over Manziel probably did not give them the better chance to win
when Manziel accomplishes even one thing in this league, he'll get some slack. He hasn't. Hope this helps
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I agree he sucks. They both sucka dn will be gone
Jerry Jones will give Manziel a chance. He loves a media circus.
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KellysHeroes
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Imagine if the Cowboys from the 90s were able to post videos.
Mary Kay Cabot
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#Browns Manziel undergoing evaluation for possible concussion. Came to facility today reporting concussion-like symptoms,
10:59 AM - 30 Dec 2015
✔@MaryKayCabot
#Browns Manziel undergoing evaluation for possible concussion. Came to facility today reporting concussion-like symptoms,
10:59 AM - 30 Dec 2015
If you take the addiction element out of this, you've essentially got this:
Pettine and the Browns have asked Manziel to quit going downhill skiing all the time.
The folks that don't get it focus on the fact that lots of people go downhill skiing, so what's the big deal? He's a kid! Kids love to ski. Leave him alone and let him ski. etc. etc.
The folks that get it realize it's a big deal because it's not really about downhill skiing at all. It's about Manziel openly defying his boss's orders, lying about it, continuing to do it even after vowing he'll stop, and doing so with total disregard for the threat of significant ramifications if it continues (or whatever Pettine's quote was).
Pettine and the Browns have asked Manziel to quit going downhill skiing all the time.
The folks that don't get it focus on the fact that lots of people go downhill skiing, so what's the big deal? He's a kid! Kids love to ski. Leave him alone and let him ski. etc. etc.
The folks that get it realize it's a big deal because it's not really about downhill skiing at all. It's about Manziel openly defying his boss's orders, lying about it, continuing to do it even after vowing he'll stop, and doing so with total disregard for the threat of significant ramifications if it continues (or whatever Pettine's quote was).
You'd think he'd be able to recognize a hangover by now.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
He doesn't want to risk injury for a meaningless game. He wants a full off-season in Dallas.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Good post, like the analogy, and it's pretty spot on. I do believe Manziel is an alcoholic, however, and I hope his enablers get him the help he needs before he hits a low that essentially keeps all NFL teams from signing him. Wish the kid nothing but the best, but his journey isn't simply uphill, it's crossing Mt. Everest. In ten years he'll probably be an afterthought, or the answer to some sports trivia question. I truly hope I'm wrong about this,, because he's a joy to watch.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
As an Eagles fan I know you're overly qualified to critique bad quarterback play but you do realize this is Cleveland, right? How many quarterbacks have look good in a Browns uniform, 3?Otto, Kosar and Sipe.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
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that's about all I can think of, too. They should cut Manziel and go with McCown. And draft a qb.As an Eagles fan I know you're overly qualified to critique bad quarterback play but you do realize this is Cleveland, right? How many quarterbacks have look good in a Browns uniform, 3?Otto, Kosar and Sipe.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You just want that to happen so he can go to my Cowboys!that's about all I can think of, too. They should cut Manziel and go with McCown. And draft a qb.As an Eagles fan I know you're overly qualified to critique bad quarterback play but you do realize this is Cleveland, right? How many quarterbacks have look good in a Browns uniform, 3?Otto, Kosar and Sipe.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
Even crazier is I actually want him to sit behind Romo for two more years.
I have zero doubt that Jerry would sign him. I'd love it.You just want that to happen so he can go to my Cowboys!that's about all I can think of, too. They should cut Manziel and go with McCown. And draft a qb.As an Eagles fan I know you're overly qualified to critique bad quarterback play but you do realize this is Cleveland, right? How many quarterbacks have look good in a Browns uniform, 3?Otto, Kosar and Sipe.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
Even crazier is I actually want him to sit behind Romo for two more years.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I'm guessing Johnny is at home working on the Times crossword right now.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Says the guy who loves and defends Greg Hardy's treatment of women.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:You just want that to happen so he can go to my Cowboys!that's about all I can think of, too. They should cut Manziel and go with McCown. And draft a qb.As an Eagles fan I know you're overly qualified to critique bad quarterback play but you do realize this is Cleveland, right? How many quarterbacks have look good in a Browns uniform, 3?Otto, Kosar and Sipe.lol. What have you possibly seen from Manziel to make you think he gives anyone the best chance to win? Is it the 40% completion percentage last week? Or the 297 yards passing he has in the last two COMBINED? He's not only an immature drunk, he's also a bad quarterback.Yes Pettine is stupid. He needs (needed) to do everything he could to WIN GAMES. He is getting fired. So yes, Pettine is stupid if he at any point in the last month did something that was not in the best interest of getting a win.Unfortunately, one of those stupid people is his coach, who is trying to figure out if this punk is ever going to grow up and possibly become a decent quarterback. And considering that coach really only has one thing he's asking Manziel to do, it appears Johnny Beerbong is the real stupid one here.So you are outraged over him doing something embarrassing?Those are 3 embarrassing things for anyone. Manziel, Brady, or any other person on this planet, football player, or not.People having outrage at a man of the legal drinking age having a (1) 4loco and (2)filming himself (3) singing/rapping?
Oh, the horror.
I am amazed at how ridiculous any news regarding JF is. Actually I am not. Lotta of stupid people out there that enjoy stuff like the Kardashians
Even crazier is I actually want him to sit behind Romo for two more years.
if Petine is gone, Manziel is gone. You're not bringing in a top coaching candidate telling him he's saddled with Manziel as his QB. No one wants to deal with that sideshow. Not for such minimal production.
