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WR Keenan Allen, CHI (2 Viewers)
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SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This is a Keenan Allen thread. I thought "Allen's output is directly tied to Rivers" blatantly signaled a segue in my post..I guess not.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of Thursday Night Football either. My playoff lineup is largely riding on this one game. Rivers, Allen, Woodhead, Demaryius, Decker. That's 50 percent of my starting lineup. Yikes! I almost don't want to watch.
ryno1980
Footballguy
My bad. This is an Allen thread after all. Ya Allen's still a top 15 guy I guess
Pietaster2
Footballguy
I'm in a similar situation. I'm starting Allen, Rivers, Gates, Novak and Moreno in my vital week 2 playoff matchup. My opponent is starting Decker and Julius Thomas. I have everything riding on this Thursday night matchup! At the very least, we won't have to wait too long to realize if we're going to advance to week 3.
With that said, I'm starting Allen and all Chargers with confidence. The over/under is 55 for a reason. The Chargers are going to have to put up points if they want any chance of winning and staying in the playoff hunt. I think they learned their lesson from the last Broncos game, and saw that you have to put up at least 35 points if you want to have any prayer of beating the Broncos. The Chargers have the horses to pull that off, and I doubt if they'll go into their ball control shell this time around.
Expect lots of passes and lots of points for the Chargers this week.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
All good, the end of that post was rather ambiguous.
More stats..
On a YPG basis, Denver and SD rank 1rst and 4th respectively as it pertains to total offense.
On a YPG basis, Denver and SD rank 25th and 27th respectively as it pertains to total defense.
On a PPG basis, Denver is allowing the 4th most points to QBs, 9th most to WRs, 9th most to RBs and 6th most to TEs.
On a PPG basis, SD is allowing the 8th most points to QBs, 4th most to WRs, 22nd most to RBs and 18th most to TEs
need2know
Footballguy
Im in the same boat. Made the semis in both my leagues and will have rivers and allen going in one and Manning, Decker, and Julius Thomas going in another.Thursday is going to be one hell of a watch, and I agree with you about hating Thursday games. But what are you going to do bench these guys? these guys are the reason you made it this far.
No one's worried about him maybe getting dinged up again and not finishing the game or missing a few drives? He's said that it will bother him the rest of the way. That's concerning, especially on a short week. Admittedly I have a good option (V-Jax) to plug in, but I'm a little worried.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It's definitely a possibility but I wouldn't let it factor too much into my decision. I know he got a shot when he went to the locker room but I was paying close attention to his second TD and subsequent celebration. After scoring he raised both arm up to at least ear level and seemed to have close to full range of motion in both shoulders. In fact, you couldn't tell which shoulder was injured/bothering him.RushHour said:
The severity of the injury must be minor, as he came back in and McCoy didn't even seem remotely worried about it in Monday's presser. The injury seems very manageable.
Flutie Flake
Footballguy
This is whats bugging me. i have a decent option in Torrey Smith, its a short week, hard frozen field. ONly 3 targets last week
Am I over thinking this?
Someone tell me he will be fine
need2know
Footballguy
Frozen field? Its supposed to be high 40s and sunny with little wind. Conditions should not be an issue for either team
MattFancy
Footballguy
Braktastic
Footballguy
I'm a bit worried about his shoulder, but, frankly, I'm more worried about only having three targets last week and how Denver corralled him Week 10. Unfortunately, I need to make a decision soon because the only other players I can see sitting him for are Eddie Lacy/James Stark, which is another choice fraught with danger.
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cubbie5150
Footballguy
Just don't use him on punt returns anymore, 'K coach McCoy? Thanks
Though it's unlikely Denver will be punting much. I'd rather avoid more hits on our guy
Though it's unlikely Denver will be punting much. I'd rather avoid more hits on our guy
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MattFancy
Footballguy
Not terribly worried about the targets last week. They were up big early, so there wasn't a real need to throw. I'm worried about Denver's D slowing him down like the 1st matchup and his shoulder. But everywhere I look, Allen is basically a WR1 so it's hard to sit him.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Allen is practicing in full this week.
I think the 3 targets was more a product of the score.
need2know
Footballguy
barista
Footballguy
Targets are certainly low for Allen but he has an extremely high reception percentage. (highest in the league tied with Edelman). He's having good games over his last 3 following not only the dud in DEN but also a worse game in MIA where he was targeted more and caught less.
You can look at the DEN game as that they solved him but they didn't really test it by throwing it to him. I think it's more likely that coaching says, well sheesh- (yeah- sheesh, it's Cali) we gotta get Keenan the ball if we have any chance of scoring points...
He's a WR1 (back end of WR1) this week in my opinion (I do own him).
I'm starting him with Alshon over Torrey Smith. And leaning towards starting Steven Jackson over Torrey at flex.
You can look at the DEN game as that they solved him but they didn't really test it by throwing it to him. I think it's more likely that coaching says, well sheesh- (yeah- sheesh, it's Cali) we gotta get Keenan the ball if we have any chance of scoring points...
He's a WR1 (back end of WR1) this week in my opinion (I do own him).
I'm starting him with Alshon over Torrey Smith. And leaning towards starting Steven Jackson over Torrey at flex.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
cant see benching him
He has fully participated in practice all week. Will get a shot to the shoulder before the game if necessary.
He has fully participated in practice all week. Will get a shot to the shoulder before the game if necessary.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
As others have said, the targets were more so a product of the score. SD was up 24-0 as half and Mathews and Woodhead combined for 35 rushing attempts. When you see that Mathews had 29 rushing attempts, you get a good idea of how that game must have played out. Unless you believe SD can do the same to DEN (shut them out by multiple scores quickly), there's nothing to worry about.
As for the first time they faced off, I've already stated it was very likely an aberration, Allen wasn't corralled. Rivers only chucked it up 29 times for 218 yards and a touchdown. It was the fourth worst outing vs. DEN this year (just in front of studs like Henne, Fitzpatrick and RG3). I think he improves on those numbers.
The only way I see Allen disappointing is if some type of fluke allows SD to go up big early.
As an aside, the O/U has moved up to 57, DEN is -10.5.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
plus he didnt have his sleeves on vs Denver first time around.
temp under 40 = SLEEVES!
RBM
Footballguy
Braktastic
Footballguy
lol I think I'm going to have to start Allen over the potential Lacy/Starks mess. I just hate Thursday night football. It seems like whatever lineup decisions I make regarding players playing on Thursday night is destined to be wrong.
steveski
Footballguy
If that's the case then please don't start him! Then again, I'm a part of the Lacy/Starks mess as well so benching those guys would help me too! Bench everybody!
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I hate Thursday Night Football too.... I want to play him but I can't put him in over Dez and Gordon or Vereen at flex.... Wish I had more time to decide
silentcoach
Footballguy
I told you guys this a long time ago. I am glad you guys became believers--it is TRUE!
C'mon Allen, bust out them sleeves
.why would you do that? if Lacy plays, he's a top 5 RB option, if he doesn't Starks is a top 10 option. if you have both of those guys just wait. and if Lacy is your biggest worry in your lineup, you are sitting pretty good
Braktastic
Footballguy
Well, at the risk of derailing the thread, there's always the possibility that Lacy goes and can't finish.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
a little over the top freaking out here....it's pretty clear the injury isn't a huge issue.....if he was playing on Sunday or Monday you would probably be starting him, right?.....so he's playing on Thursday, so you still start him.....yeah he could re-ding the shoulder, but he could do that Sunday or Monday too....you guys have managed your teams all year, just make your best call and roll with it....this is a pretty solid matchup against a team that can give up some fantasy points....
I live in CO....temps are expected to be in the 50's here today and 40 at kickoff, only getting down to low 30's by the end of the game....no wind.....great night for football and conditions won't be an issue....
hopefully SD runs Allen on crossing routes like they did all day against KC....that is tough to stop....and hopefully they use Green this week....Allen will get some attention, but if they can get Green/Gates/Royal/Brown, etc involved and Woodhead and R. Brown out of the backfield to occupy the LB's a little....Allen should find some room....he runs great routes and I expect Rivers to pepper him quite a bit...
I live in CO....temps are expected to be in the 50's here today and 40 at kickoff, only getting down to low 30's by the end of the game....no wind.....great night for football and conditions won't be an issue....
hopefully SD runs Allen on crossing routes like they did all day against KC....that is tough to stop....and hopefully they use Green this week....Allen will get some attention, but if they can get Green/Gates/Royal/Brown, etc involved and Woodhead and R. Brown out of the backfield to occupy the LB's a little....Allen should find some room....he runs great routes and I expect Rivers to pepper him quite a bit...
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johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
My only other flex option is Chris Johnson vs Arizona so I am going with Allen in a potential shoot out.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'll be watching for this.I told you guys this a long time ago. I am glad you guys became believers--it is TRUE!
C'mon Allen, bust out them sleeves
Sleeve Watch.
Keenan Allen is a must start!
1. SD vs. DEN has a high O/U at 57. This is good news for Keenan Allen owners.
2. Vegas has Keenan Allen projected at 5 receptions with 79.5 yards with a 45% chance of a TD
3. Vegas has Philip Rivers projected at 290.5 yards.
4. David Dodds has Allen projected at 75 yards.
Everything is lining up for a big game for Keenan Allen. I have him in all my lineups.
1. SD vs. DEN has a high O/U at 57. This is good news for Keenan Allen owners.
2. Vegas has Keenan Allen projected at 5 receptions with 79.5 yards with a 45% chance of a TD
3. Vegas has Philip Rivers projected at 290.5 yards.
4. David Dodds has Allen projected at 75 yards.
Everything is lining up for a big game for Keenan Allen. I have him in all my lineups.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Nervous about this Thursday thing as well. Got Moreno, Julius and Allen going tonight.
Fwiw, I've got Allen pencilled in over V Jax and Fitz.
Fwiw, I've got Allen pencilled in over V Jax and Fitz.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Is there any research showing a lack of scoring on Thursday? Seems every week the game is a clunker. But sometimes perception isn't reality.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I've had plenty of guys do well on Thursday this year.
steveski
Footballguy
Only thing that has me slightly worried is that he's a little banged up and that he only put up 4/41 last time they played when everybody was saying the same thing as they are now. Not enough worry for me to bench him, but enough for me to worry.
CentralPA
Footballguy
It's the fantasy playoffs....why worry?
the shoulder bugs me a little bit but I think he guts it out and has a good game.
socrates
Footballguy
Allen has been playing very well, and according to practice reports, he was a full participant this week. I get the concern about the shoulder, and yes, he failed to fulfill expectations the last time these two teams faced off (and he was coming off of a big game then, as well). However, Allen did come in last week after he injured his shoulder and promptly scored, easing the concern about the shoulder some. I do not anticipate the Chargers failing to get their best offensive weapon heavily involved in a game where they need to generate plenty of offensive production to maintain pace with the Denver juggernaut offense. I really expect a better showing tonight from Rivers than he had in their Week #10 contest, and hence, better numbers from Allen.
The biggest concern for the entire SD pass offense is that the Chargers may try to "slow the game down," "keep the ball out of Manning's hands," and "keep their defense off the field." If announcers are spouting those cliche's in the first quarter, it could mean trouble for the SD passing game.
That was what happened the first time they played, and it's my chief concern.
That was what happened the first time they played, and it's my chief concern.
Braktastic
Footballguy
If I were the coach of SD, that would probably be my game-plan as well. About the only way I've seen success against these HUNH offenses that sling it 80% of the time is to have run oriented methodical drives. Pick up 4 yards on 1st and 2nd down, then convert on 3rd and 2, all the way down the field so it eats up 7-8 minutes. You see it in college a lot too, just like how SC beat Clemson a few weeks ago when they controlled the clock 40 minutes to Clemson's 20.
