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without those guys.. I think a lot of people would hardly know who CJ is..
How could nobody have heard of the 36th pick in the draft?I'll never forget the day many years ago that fftoday had this guy named "Chad Johnson" way up the WR list that week.....nobody in my league ever heard of him. Rest is history.Obviously the Bronco's have a lot invested in Ball. I honestly don't know much about CJ - but I hardly knew who this Arian Foster guy was and because I had the two guys ahead of him said, what the hell, he's getting some good buzz (this was very early in the summer prior to his breakout).One game in and the Broncos are writing off Ball.. 95% of FF experts know no more then the posters here. They just have a bigger forum/ more exposure to prove it.
Sometimes you need to get lucky, but as lotto says, you gotta be in it to win it. This is a job that is clearly in the air. Ball has not overwhelmed and is not Doug Martin or AP, certainly not at this point. It's a great offense with a good coach.
If you have space, more in a dynasty obviously, it is worth a shot. But, its a LONG shot.
Maybe a tad harsh. He hasn't shown much thus far. From training camp reports, Pre-season, and week 1, not trusted in pass pro, short yardage/goal line work has been lackluster. The door has been left open for somebody to take that job if he doesn't improve IMO
How could nobody have heard of the 36th pick in the draft?I'll never forget the day many years ago that fftoday had this guy named "Chad Johnson" way up the WR list that week.....nobody in my league ever heard of him. Rest is history.Obviously the Bronco's have a lot invested in Ball. I honestly don't know much about CJ - but I hardly knew who this Arian Foster guy was and because I had the two guys ahead of him said, what the hell, he's getting some good buzz (this was very early in the summer prior to his breakout).One game in and the Broncos are writing off Ball.
Sometimes you need to get lucky, but as lotto says, you gotta be in it to win it. This is a job that is clearly in the air. Ball has not overwhelmed and is not Doug Martin or AP, certainly not at this point. It's a great offense with a good coach.
If you have space, more in a dynasty obviously, it is worth a shot. But, its a LONG shot.
SCT is one of the very finest posters on this board today. Don't you dare doubt him again.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=685248&hl=taylorwould any of you in the know drop Stepfan Taylor for him or is it too soon. both kinda in the same situation except Denver is awesome and Arizona is just above meh
Yeah, terrible may have been slightly overstated, but I wasn't a huge fan of Ball pre-draft, and despite the golden opportunity situation I own him nowhere, so I've stuck with what my eyes tell me. That Wisconsin system produces great numbers, but his measurables are very mediocre, which doesn't portend great things. Add to that the pass protection deficiencies, which reasonably took Hillman nearly a year to learn, and I'm just not high on Ball.
I know I'm a little late on this topic, but I'm going to have to defend the FBGs here. Some people seem to forget that these guys were WAY ahead in players like Joique and Orange Julius. I will give them the benefit of the doubt, particularly if Cecil--who is all over the Broncos--vouches for him.
he looked fine when I was at TC and had the most impressive preseason run of the big 3 there. Way too small of a sample size to say he's just terrible. there are some pretty huge knee-jerk reactions 1 week into the season on this board.
Way ahead, sure. I don't think Anderson is a bad stash in deep dynasty leagues, but "way ahead" isn't that helpful in redraft or even pretty deep keeper leagues. It seems rather silly for anyone to think Ball is "terrible" after about 20 snaps in a single game.
This. Maybe worth a shot in a deep dynasty format, but I can't believe there's any talk about him in redraft. It's just not happening - even if he got into the mix for some touches, the other guys are still going to get carries also. It's just a mess. At the end of the day, this is maybe the most pass heavy team in the league, with a true RBBC, so why are people looking for value here? And you're insane if you think he's taking the job outright and getting 15+ carries a game. To me, the upside here this season is aroun 5 carries a game, maybe 10 in a good week. I know we all want to be ahead of the curve but that's not worth getting excited about.
As always, stashing CJ is about opportunity cost. What are you giving up?
that part is exactly why i have him stashed. and now not only to open the season but with the other injuries they have had they still haven't placed him on IR while he is still hurt makes me think he isn't just a fringe player. if they don't place him on IR this week with the other minor and significant injuries happening on the team and with those holes to fill just for weekly depth is very interesting to me. they obviously know they will lose him if they try to pass him thru waivers as well
Denver has a history of keeping players on the 53-man roster despite knowing they won't contribute at all this season. Just look at Julius Thomas last season- he missed most of the offseason, was recovering from various injuries, and had absolutely no chance of getting much playing time. Denver carried him anyway because they really liked him long-term. Obviously Thomas is justifying that faith this year.
Exactly. Keeping him on the roster means nothing for redraft. There really is nothing to see here at all and I'll gladly let more "sharky" people than me waste a waiver pick on him while I stick to my guppy pickups.
not injured enough? players go IR for suspected ankle tweaks, are injury waived and signed the following week and playing for someone else. JT had a pretty serious high ankle sprain that seemed to take years and had pretty competent TE's ahead of him in Tamme/Dreesen. I don't view Moreno as anything more than replacement level. he can block resonably well and that is it. he can catch footballs but he isn't running complicated route trees and making catches over his head like vereen or a forte. his running skills have all but evaporated
So, how many days of full practice has he had now?
What's the urgency? FBG have been saying to pick him up since the start of the season. It's week 4 and he isn't really any closer to making an impact on anything. if you want to roster him in dynasty, more power to you, but in redraft, unless you are in a 32 team league, I don't think you need to be in any hurry to pick this guy up. The chance that he has even marginal redraft value this year is almost zero.
Hs is an outstanding receiver. I can't say I noticed his pass blocking much one way or the other.
I get that they are winning and that Moreno is the guy, but with Monte Ball averaging 3.2 per carry while fumbling twice with only 45 touches I thought there might be a slight opening.
I only own him in dynasty, in redraft I would not pick him up right now unless the league/benches were huge.
Montee's a 2nd rounder with 43 career carries. They're not benching him so they can see what they have in that Anderson kid.
Probably true, but all bets are off if Moreno gets hurt. In that scenario, Anderson will get some carries alongside Montee and I suspect that he will outperform. Montee has a future in this league, I'm sure, but so far he's looked like a JAG rookie. CJ has better size and burst, if he can stay healthy.
