Dynasty & Redraft: TE Zach Ertz, Eagles

[Horses Mouth 20]

what is everyone doing with this guy? He's chewing up a roster spot and hasn't done anything this season prior to getting hurt. 

[Johnny Utah #9 230]

8 minutes ago, Horses Mouth said:

what is everyone doing with this guy? He's chewing up a roster spot and hasn't done anything this season prior to getting hurt. 

Dropped him weeks ago for Goedert. Even when he was healthy and had no other competition for targets, he looked washed. They were going to trade him if he didn’t get injured. He’s clearly not in their long term plans at this point. 

[Insein 10,536]

Managed to trade him for Zach Moss last week. The other guy was hoping he'd come back for the FF playoff run.

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Eagles designated TE Zach Ertz (ankle) to return from injured reserve.

Philadelphia opened Ertz's 21-day practice window to return, giving the organization three weeks to either activate the 30-year-old or declare him out for the rest of the year. It's unclear at this time if he'll be activated ahead of Sunday's game against the Browns. Ertz was a non-factor for fantasy leagues prior to injury, averaging 4/30 receiving despite seeing 7.5 targets per game. Expect the Eagles to revert to a heavy dose of 12 personnel if Ertz is in fact cleared to return soon.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

Nov 16, 2020, 5:08 PM ET

 

 

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Speaking Friday, coach Doug Pederson said Zach Ertz (ankle, I.R.) "probably needs a little more time" and is unlikely to be activated in time for Week 11 against the Browns.

The Eagles opened Ertz's 21-day window to be activated earlier this week, but he isn't going to get the green light for this Sunday, locking Dallas Goedert into an every-down role as a top-five fantasy TE1.

SOURCE: Reuben Frank on Twitter

Nov 20, 2020, 10:55 AM ET

 

 

[kyoun1e 896]

For the TE desperate I wonder if lightning can be caught in a bottle with Ertz. Getting sick and tired of my revolving door at TE:

Eagles coach Doug Pederson said Zach Ertz (ankle, IR) is "trending in the right direction" to play in Week 12 against Seattle.

The Eagles are "optimistic" Ertz can return after spending the last five weeks on IR. Ertz was designated to return last week but didn't play against the Browns. He'll have an extra day to get cleared with Philly playing on Monday night in Week 12. Getting Ertz back would cut into Dallas Goedert's snaps and target share. Pederson suggested the Eagles could "mix in more 13 personnel" with Ertz and Richard Rodgers going forward.

SOURCE: The Athletic

Nov 25, 2020, 10:42 AM ET

[davearm 921]

6 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

For the TE desperate I wonder if lightning can be caught in a bottle with Ertz. Getting sick and tired of my revolving door at TE:

I've been starting Ebron since losing Kittle, but did grab and stash Ertz.  Who knows, stranger things have happened, and it's a long season.  Eagles just look putrid though, and Goedert (and back-from-the-dead Richard Rodgers) aren't going to just disappear.

Ertz has been a target monster in the not-too-distant past, so I figured it's worth a shot.

[tricky92 496]

Just now, davearm said:

I've been starting Ebron since losing Kittle, but did grab and stash Ertz.  Who knows, stranger things have happened, and it's a long season.  Eagles just look putrid though, and Goedert (and back-from-the-dead Richard Rodgers) aren't going to just disappear.

Ertz has been a target monster in the not-too-distant past, so I figured it's worth a shot.

Goedert is the man to have in Philly. Ertz will essentially be replacing Rodgers at this point. A better version of Rodgers for sure, but Goedert is the present and future.

[finfansteve 39]

I’m not so sure about this. I understand where you’re coming from as I’ve been waiting for Goedert to supplant Ertz at tight end for philly for a couple of years now but Ertz is Wentz’s buddy and I think if he has anything left to give to the team Wentz will feed him the ball until he proves otherwise

just my two cents

[skinsrule05 133]

56 minutes ago, finfansteve said:

I’m not so sure about this. I understand where you’re coming from as I’ve been waiting for Goedert to supplant Ertz at tight end for philly for a couple of years now but Ertz is Wentz’s buddy and I think if he has anything left to give to the team Wentz will feed him the ball until he proves otherwise

just my two cents

During the first 6 weeks when he was playing he averaged less then 30 yards a game. If that is what having Ertz as a buddy gets him I think Goedert will be all right. 

[tricky92 496]

59 minutes ago, finfansteve said:

I’m not so sure about this. I understand where you’re coming from as I’ve been waiting for Goedert to supplant Ertz at tight end for philly for a couple of years now but Ertz is Wentz’s buddy and I think if he has anything left to give to the team Wentz will feed him the ball until he proves otherwise

just my two cents

I'm an Eagles fan, and watch all of the games. Ertz looked shot before he got hurt. Goedert resembles Andrews on the field. If you have a spot, hang on to Ertz, but I wouldn't count on him giving you the production that was expected before the season started.

[finfansteve 39]

I hope you guys are right as I have Goedert on three teams as my starter

[Stat Correction 127]

My Scrotal Zack Ertz

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Eagles coach Doug Pederson doesn't expect Zach Ertz (ankle, IR) to play in Week 12 against Seattle.

Pederson said there's been "no setback" with Ertz, but he's unlikely to play after it looked like he was trending in right direction. It'll be another week of Dallas Goedert and Richard Rodgers against Seattle's league worst secondary. The Eagles are hoping to get Ertz back for Week 13. 

SOURCE: The Athletic

Nov 28, 2020, 10:35 AM ET

 

 

[Johnny Utah #9 230]

On 11/25/2020 at 12:26 PM, tricky92 said:

Goedert is the man to have in Philly. Ertz will essentially be replacing Rodgers at this point. A better version of Rodgers for sure, but Goedert is the present and future.

Drafted Ertz, dumped him for Goedert a while ago. Ertz looked totally washed out there so I think you’re right. As an Eagles fan, any insight as to whether you think Rodgers will just go back to the bench with Ertz now available? Meaning, has Doug shown a tendency to mix in three TEs when available? Rodgers has done decently (better than Ertz) so is there a concern of him splitting up the TE snaps between the 3 of them?

Edited November 28, 2020 by Johnny Utah #9

[tricky92 496]

36 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

Drafted Ertz, dumped him for Goedert a while ago. Ertz looked totally washed out there so I think you’re right. As an Eagles fan, any insight as to whether you think Rodgers will just go back to the bench with Ertz now available? Meaning, has Doug shown a tendency to mix in three TEs when available? Rodgers has done decently (better than Ertz) so is there a concern of him splitting up the TE snaps between the 3 of them?

This article is over a month old, but there's some good info regarding Ertz that hasn't really changed: https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/eagles/eagles-overreactions-is-zach-ertz-done-being-an-elite-tight-end-in-the-nfl/2560509/

I do think when Ertz is available (not this week) he will take over Rodgers snaps, even though Rodgers has looked better than Ertz as well.

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by tricky92

[need2know 6,193]

Until wentz pulls his head out of his ### i wouldn't feel great playing anyone on that offense.   I get having to play sanders but the offense is junk

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On 11/25/2020 at 10:46 PM, Stat Correction said:

My Scrotal Zack Ertz

In one of my leagues, a guy once had a team name of It Ertz When I Jacquizz 

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Eagles activated TE Zach Ertz (ankle) from injured reserve.

Ertz has been out since Week 6. He has 24 catches for 178 yards and one touchdown on 45 targets through six games this season. His yards-per-catch average of 7.4 yards would be a career low by a wide margin. Dallas Goedert needs to remain the Eagles' top tight end, but look for Philly to use plenty of two-tight end sets. Ertz will send Richard Rodgers back to No. 3 duties.

Dec 2, 2020, 1:33 PM ET

 

 

[BoerumHill 171]

TE routes about the only thing working for the Iggles rn. dude got dropped in a ton of leagues, worth a pickup fo sure if your league mates let him sit there through the byes when he was on IR-R.

[tricky92 496]

7 minutes ago, BoerumHill said:

TE routes about the only thing working for the Iggles rn. dude got dropped in a ton of leagues, worth a pickup fo sure if your league mates let him sit there through the byes when he was on IR-R.

Take a look at his output this year when "healthy."

I would avoid.

[BoerumHill 171]

2 hours ago, tricky92 said:

Take a look at his output this year when "healthy."

I would avoid.

Oh I know, he’s not the same guy

But IMO he can match Rodgers output and given what a fantasy wasteland TE this year it might be a good option. Good matchups in WKs 14 & 16, and about half the TE1s have rough ones in those playoff weeks.

I’m riding or dying with Hock, obviously if you have a top 3-4 TE this doesn’t apply. IMO.

[kyoun1e 896]

12 hours ago, BoerumHill said:

Oh I know, he’s not the same guy

But IMO he can match Rodgers output and given what a fantasy wasteland TE this year it might be a good option. Good matchups in WKs 14 & 16, and about half the TE1s have rough ones in those playoff weeks.

I’m riding or dying with Hock, obviously if you have a top 3-4 TE this doesn’t apply. IMO.

Sitting on my wire. Debating where to prioritize him in waivers tonight. Currently have Hooper and Kittle (who I pray is available week 15).

This week, he's probably getting his feet wet and the matchup @GB isn't great. Next week, the matchup vs NO isn't great at all. Lightens up in weeks 15 and 16.

Could catch lightning in a bottle if Ertz is the key to unlocking Wentz the rest of the year, but I'm having a hard time differentiating Ertz from a bunch of other middling options such as Rudolph, Burton, L. Thomas, and Hooper.

[BoerumHill 171]

52 minutes ago, kyoun1e said:

Sitting on my wire. Debating where to prioritize him in waivers tonight. Currently have Hooper and Kittle (who I pray is available week 15).

This week, he's probably getting his feet wet and the matchup @GB isn't great. Next week, the matchup vs NO isn't great at all. Lightens up in weeks 15 and 16.

Could catch lightning in a bottle if Ertz is the key to unlocking Wentz the rest of the year, but I'm having a hard time differentiating Ertz from a bunch of other middling options such as Rudolph, Burton, L. Thomas, and Hooper.

Yeah, it’s impossible to tell this far out but I looked at Kittle and little Shanny seemed to be indicating that realistically it was looking like a Week 16/17 & playoffs return. He’s not a doctor, it’s speculation and that was a week or two ago, but it was enough for me. Both on our wire as well but we shrunk the league from 12 to 10 bc COVID/disinterest/protests. (ASIDE - 2nd time in the last 4 years we’ve lost 4 managers...after having 1 turnover in 6 years and 2 over 11 seasons. I digress...)

Its suboptimal depending on a veteran coming off injury late. Seen it too many times, never happens (speaking of Ertz here.) Just based on age and this anecdotal historical view - not to be confused with data lol - Kittle might actually make more sense now that I ponder it some more.

Edited December 3, 2020 by BoerumHill
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Eagles coach Doug Pederson said they "have to be smart" using Zach Ertz coming off an ankle injury.

The Eagles activated Ertz from injured reserve but is unlikely to re-enter the TE1 conversation. He's not a lock to play his usual workload with his injury especially with Dallas Goedert playing way better. Ertz is nothing more than a no-floor TE2 in Week 13 and possibly beyond.

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Dallas Goedert

SOURCE: Les Bowen on Twitter

Dec 4, 2020, 8:08 PM ET

 

 

[Ministry of Pain 5,391]

I think in a good offense that Ertz could still be valuable when he returns from injury, meaning on other teams that are not 3-7-1 he might look a little better. 

[Johnny Utah #9 230]

13 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I think in a good offense that Ertz could still be valuable when he returns from injury, meaning on other teams that are not 3-7-1 he might look a little better. 

Yeah, the Eagles would be wise to ship off Ertz for whatever they can get in the off-season. They apparently were ready to ship him off before the trade deadline this year if he hadn’t gotten hurt. Goedert is clearly the better player at this point and he is the future of the position for them.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Johnny Utah #9

[jabarony 706]

14 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

I think in a good offense that Ertz could still be valuable when he returns from injury, meaning on other teams that are not 3-7-1 he might look a little better. 

Yep.  Even with his apparent decline, there's no reason he can't be pre-MNF Jason Witten for a few more years if teamed with a decent QB/coach.

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Zach Ertz ran 38 pass routes in Week 16 against the Cowboys, 24 more than Dallas Goedert. 

Goedert hurt his calf against Dallas, but the two tight ends were almost even in pass routes in Week 15. Ertz drew seven targets to Goedert's three looks. Goedert ended up with more yards than Ertz but his lack of pass game usage could be a concern for Week 17. Ertz ran one more route than Goedert in Week 15, though Goedert had eight targets to Ertz's six that week. Ertz is a high-end TE2 this week against Washington while Goedert is a low-end TE1. Goedert and Ertz combined for 11 receptions, 119 yards, and two touchdowns in Week 1 against the Football Team. If Goedert is held out, Ertz is a locked-in TE1. 

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Dec 29, 2020, 10:11 AM ET

 

 

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