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Bill O'Brien. I was going to write this up, but someone already did it for me:
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/17838278/rob-gronkowski-catch-no-catch-tom-brady-patriots-texans-nfl
The replay officials dropped the ball on that one, but so did BOB.
For those that don't want to click the link, the TL;DR is Gronk bobbled the hell out of a catch inside the 2 minute warning. It was not a catch and everyone at home could see that. However, the replay officials elected not to challenge it and BOB elected not to burn one of three timeouts (that he wasn't going to use anyway) to stop the clock to allow them time to think about reviewing the play. Good job, BOB.
Also, the Texans suck for doubling Gronk and still letting him own them.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/9/17838278/rob-gronkowski-catch-no-catch-tom-brady-patriots-texans-nfl
The replay officials dropped the ball on that one, but so did BOB.
For those that don't want to click the link, the TL;DR is Gronk bobbled the hell out of a catch inside the 2 minute warning. It was not a catch and everyone at home could see that. However, the replay officials elected not to challenge it and BOB elected not to burn one of three timeouts (that he wasn't going to use anyway) to stop the clock to allow them time to think about reviewing the play. Good job, BOB.
Also, the Texans suck for doubling Gronk and still letting him own them.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And after the game, O'Brien basically, "That's not my job."
Uh, actually, game management IS the head coach's job, the last time I checked. What a dumb ###.
He actually looks like he's a boozer and drunk on gameday. His actions back it up. he's gone after his year I think. They are not good and defenses are catching up to Watson. NE just gave the blueprint to the rest of the league. O'Brien won't be able to adapt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Honestly I’m not sure anyone will top this all year.
Circumstances are one thing, but context seems critical here as well to truly highlight the stupidity.
1. Bears we’re able to love the ball - GB D was pretty gassed after that drive, Cohen was able to pop 3-5 at a time on screens & Jordan was pushing the pile. I have zero doubt that the Bears can get 1 yard there. 99.9999999% certain they get a yard. And if they don’t, it’s virtually the same outcome.
2. They went for it on 4th and 3 at their own 37 in the 1st half, up 17. They got it, but it seemed like a completely unnecessary and highly risky decision in that situation. But then with the game on the line, where a conversion ices the game & keeps the best QB in the game off the field, they kick a FG?
it’s just mind-blowingly awful coaching. It’s illogical in every aspect and in context seems literally insane.
I would love to interview whomever was responsible for that decision & then apply mid-evil torture techniques until they actually admitted that they just didn’t know what they were doing.
I’m not even a Bears fan or Packers hater - I just detest the idiocy of that decision sooooo much.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Sean McDermott likes to start Nate Peterman when he shouldn't.
parrot
Footballguy
It wasn't quite the same play and it was run from a different formation with different motion. In the Superbowl the ball was snapped directly to the back while Foles was pretending to make line calls. On Thursday the ball was snapped to Foles and he pitched it. The second version was more like the play the Pats misfired on in the SB
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I came here to post the same one, but hadn’t put as much thought into it.Honestly I’m not sure anyone will top this all year.
Circumstances are one thing, but context seems critical here as well to truly highlight the stupidity.
1. Bears we’re able to love the ball - GB D was pretty gassed after that drive, Cohen was able to pop 3-5 at a time on screens & Jordan was pushing the pile. I have zero doubt that the Bears can get 1 yard there. 99.9999999% certain they get a yard. And if they don’t, it’s virtually the same outcome.
2. They went for it on 4th and 3 at their own 37 in the 1st half, up 17. They got it, but it seemed like a completely unnecessary and highly risky decision in that situation. But then with the game on the line, where a conversion ices the game & keeps the best QB in the game off the field, they kick a FG?
it’s just mind-blowingly awful coaching. It’s illogical in every aspect and in context seems literally insane.
I would love to interview whomever was responsible for that decision & then apply mid-evil torture techniques until they actually admitted that they just didn’t know what they were doing.
I’m not even a Bears fan or Packers hater - I just detest the idiocy of that decision sooooo much.
I was wondering why they let Trubisky pass on 3rd and 1 when Howard and Cohen were running well on that drive.
ZWK
Footballguy
I don't remember this. They did go for it on 4th and 4 from Green Bay's 37 (and failed), but that's a very standard place to go for it when you don't trust your kicker to hit the 54-yard FG and you don't want to settle for a 25 yard punt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was drinking a few beers at that time… Certainly possible I am mistaken.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Can we talk Raiders for a second?
First, Rams -3 completes the 4th game of a $50 parlay (made with house money from blackjack) so no complaints about the results.
That said, it seemed like the Raiders game out with a terrific plan:
run the ball. Beast mode. Limit the mistakes with safe passes.
And man did they look good, too! Beast took a whole pile across that stripe!
they were bruising - now up 10. Game plan working!
then the Rams tied it & the Raiders started playing like they were down 17 instead it up by 3.
They got away from the run - Lynch was MIA. It became the David Carr show. And that Ish worked too, marching right down the field for an oh crap they finally put a DB on Cook instead of a LB interception.
at that point they were still so totally in that game. Even after the Rams tied it.
But they got so far out over their skis they just couldn’t get back to what was working.
Mom not sure this qualifies for this toooc since it was such a team effort, but I have to question Gruden’s philosophy here at least a little...it’s the classic, “hey, you know that running the ball thing we were doing so well in the 1st quarter on the 1st drive? Let’s never, ever do that again.”
Head scratcher.
First, Rams -3 completes the 4th game of a $50 parlay (made with house money from blackjack) so no complaints about the results.
That said, it seemed like the Raiders game out with a terrific plan:
run the ball. Beast mode. Limit the mistakes with safe passes.
And man did they look good, too! Beast took a whole pile across that stripe!
they were bruising - now up 10. Game plan working!
then the Rams tied it & the Raiders started playing like they were down 17 instead it up by 3.
They got away from the run - Lynch was MIA. It became the David Carr show. And that Ish worked too, marching right down the field for an oh crap they finally put a DB on Cook instead of a LB interception.
at that point they were still so totally in that game. Even after the Rams tied it.
But they got so far out over their skis they just couldn’t get back to what was working.
Mom not sure this qualifies for this toooc since it was such a team effort, but I have to question Gruden’s philosophy here at least a little...it’s the classic, “hey, you know that running the ball thing we were doing so well in the 1st quarter on the 1st drive? Let’s never, ever do that again.”
Head scratcher.
Game plan coming into the game for sure was to try and get Richard matched up on LB's in passing game but Lynch was likely slated to play more if he was up to it but Gruden said Lynch got ill.
Someone on the Rams said that the Raiders were tough to defend in early going because they had no film on them. Then they adjusted and would appear Gruden failed to counter.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
In the live game topic I said the rams appear to have figured out the Raiders in a hurry.
2nd half was allllllll Rams.
Is it just me, or are people making that mistake more frequently as of late? I have this theory that the worse he plays, the more likely we are to call him David. I don't remember lots of people doing it two years ago.They got away from the run - Lynch was MIA. It became the David Carr show. And that Ish worked too, marching right down the field for an oh crap they finally put a DB on Cook instead of a LB interception.
TZMarkie
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure he called him that on purpose .
But I have to admit, I still occasionally call him that on accident.
Man am I glad I don't own a single raider this year anywhere.
TZM
Yeah you're probably right about HSG. But i still stand by my general point. Similarly, I can't remember the last time I heard St. Louis Rams, but I still hear San Diego Chargers a lot. Maybe just because they've been in LA a year longer, but I also think it has something to do with them being good and establishing a team identity under McVay.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Scott Linehan's game planning and play calling for the last 17 games
That Bears-Packers ending reminded me a little of a similar situation with Giants-Cowboys on the SNF opener a few years ago. There was less time on the clock in that situation, and the main criticism was for Eli throwing the ball away on 3rd down when he could have just taken the sack and wasted more time without significantly impacting the FG attempt. Still, I remember at the time one of the questions was whether going up 6 in that situation is actually worse, because when a team is down 3 the opposing team tends to play for the tying FG, whereas when they're down 6 they know they need a TD.
Still, this is one of those situations where you don't even need quantitative evidence to tell you the "obvious" call. Because basic logic should tell you that YOU DO NOT GIVE THE BALL BACK TO AARON RODGERS WITH A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME. Kicking the FG, not kicking the FG, that's not important. Bears had two plays to go one yard, and if they convert they are almost certain to either run out the clock or only have to give it back with a few seconds left.* That should have been the priority.
If there's a better illustration of NFL coaches' innate conservatism and focus on loss aversion, I don't know what it is.
* To be fair, that would have just set Rodgers up for another Hail Mary
Still, this is one of those situations where you don't even need quantitative evidence to tell you the "obvious" call. Because basic logic should tell you that YOU DO NOT GIVE THE BALL BACK TO AARON RODGERS WITH A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME. Kicking the FG, not kicking the FG, that's not important. Bears had two plays to go one yard, and if they convert they are almost certain to either run out the clock or only have to give it back with a few seconds left.* That should have been the priority.
If there's a better illustration of NFL coaches' innate conservatism and focus on loss aversion, I don't know what it is.
* To be fair, that would have just set Rodgers up for another Hail Mary
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lmao - I didn’t even catch myself doing that.
There’s definitely a comparison at this point - Derrick had absorbed more than his share of hits...not like “early years Texans OL” number of hits but he may be a little happy footed after getting his back broken & from all the knock downs and pressures.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nope - complete accident. It was late, I was tired. But it’s not a terrible comparison after MNF.
Skoo
Footballguy
That last one drove me absolutely nuts. And not just because I own Howard and was playing Rodgers. (lost by 2)
They ran for 4 and 5 yards respectively on 1st and 2nd down. And on 3rd down? Not only did they NOT run the ball, they split Cohen out wide and had an empty backfield.
How do you not even PRETEND you might run the ball on 3rd and 1 with the lead?
Pats sustained success isn’t due to Bill and Brady. It’s been all the assistant coaches over the years.
Steeler
Footballguy
That's a difficult argument to make when none (I can't think of any, so if I missed someone I will amend to "most") of them have done nothing away from NE.
flapgreen
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
Steeler
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Yep, that was the dumbest thing I saw all week and someone's going to have to work hard to top it
Bossman
Footballguy
I'm seeing this more and more when teams have 3rd and reasonable ...
empty backfield, no threat of a run. LB's can fall back into coverage ... or pin ears and get after the QB.
Drives me nuts.
Bossman
Footballguy
Josh McDaniels opted out of the Colts head coaching gig this year. He realized that he has it good where he is ... why screw it up like Patricia did?
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Terrible clock management by the Ravens tonight. Almost no sense of urgency at the end of the game. Did Jay Cutler's ghost take possession of Joe Flacco's body??
Trailing by 11, they needed to score, then recover an onside kick, then score again.
Yet there they were with a minute to play and they're doing checkdowns to the middle of the field. It's like they weren't even trying to score.
They get to the 29-yard-line with 0:37 on the clock. Time to kick a field goal or take a shot at the endzone, right? Nope, not the Ravens!
3rd & 1 at CIN 29
(0:37 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to M.Williams to CIN 25 for 4 yards (D.Dennard).
Trailing by 11, they needed to score, then recover an onside kick, then score again.
Yet there they were with a minute to play and they're doing checkdowns to the middle of the field. It's like they weren't even trying to score.
They get to the 29-yard-line with 0:37 on the clock. Time to kick a field goal or take a shot at the endzone, right? Nope, not the Ravens!
3rd & 1 at CIN 29
(0:37 - 4th) (Shotgun) J.Flacco pass short right to M.Williams to CIN 25 for 4 yards (D.Dennard).
Another season, another opportunity for me to beat this hobby horse again. Browns were down 21-7, scored a TD with 7:32 to go in game, and kicked the XP. Not that I'd expect Mr. 1-31-1 to finally be the one coach who does the smart thing and goes for two in that situation ...
xrayveggin
Footballguy
Flacco spiked the ball on 3rd and 6 at the Cinci 25 with 0:08 on the clock. On 4th and 6, the team goes for a crossing pattern short of the end zone, maybe for a lateral play? The only chance of winning was kick the field goal, burning 5-6 seconds. ;Kick onside (no time runs off on a recovered onside kick), and throw the hail mary. Absolutely terrible coaching, and with multiple chances to do the right thing.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
To be fair though, Harbaugh looked pretty pissed off about it.
May have been bad execution elsewhere, maybe...
May have been bad execution elsewhere, maybe...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed, but as the head coach, he should have communicated that with his QB before the drive. "Hey, as soon as we get in FG range, we are gonna kick it, so look to me for the signal for when we will kick."
tombonneau
Footballguy
I saw that happened and told my (confused) girlfriend, "That's a game losing play."
Just terrible. Inexcusable. Harbaugh should be read the riot act by GM and Owner. A seasoned SB-winning coach at that level needs to understand how to manage the most fundamental of game-ending situations.
Bossman
Footballguy
Did you see the end of the ATL vs PHI game?
Matt Ryan was playing for a Special Olympics football team when he took 2 sacks on the final drive, costing valuable seconds and field position.
... and on 4th and goal, sails one out the back of the endzone to avoid a sack. ON 4TH DOWN!
Bailed out by a defensive penalty, with a couple of seconds left on the clock, last play of the game, Ryan proceeds to throw another ball that JJ could not catch in bounds.
Ryan is to blame but some fault needs to fall on the coach for not driving home the fact that "can NOT take a sack here!" ... and "4th down ... need to give your WR a chance even if he's not open".
Other QB's get it and maybe it's their coaching before each drive / play ... or maybe their just situationally aware. You'd think after 10 years in the league this would be infused by now.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Coaches have historically gone for it so rarely on 4th down that I'm sure most teams, and QBs, don't take nearly the amount of practice reps that they should with that mindset. It's no different than training a hitter to change his swing philosophy with two strikes - except the latter situation arises dozens of times each ballgame, so the mindset is already ingrained in everyone's head, whereas a QBs first, second, and third instinct since age 8 has been to throw the ball away to avoid a sack.
I'd bet you any amount of money that the two teams that run through specific situational play-calls most often in practice are the Pats and Eagles.
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Doug Pederson is going to change the way coaches think if he can follow up on his ballsy success last season.
Bossman
Footballguy
agreed.
PHI loses that SB had they "played it safe" like every other coach would do.
I actually think the Jaguars would have beat NE in the AFCC last year had they been more aggressive on 4th down.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Pats fan here. 100% agree. I think if Jags throw 5 more passes in the second half you're watching Bortles/Foles slog it in out in the lowest rated SB in 30 years.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Flacco looked like he had the jitters after his 1st pick. Balls kept getting tipped in part because he had this super long windup, while staring down a receiver the whole time. Earlier in the game he was quick to release. I think he kept checking down because he didn’t trust his deep ball by that point.
that makes it a hell of a lot easier to bat a ball when a LB/DL can see it coming for 3-4 seconds.
He was also throwing behind his receivers all game - the RZ shot to brown was 2’ behind him. Aikman kept saying Brown “has to make that catch” - he acknowledged it was thrown behind Brown, but put the blame more on Brown, who was in traffic, hands everywhere, across the middle. Troy tends to have QBs backs I’ve noticed, and on that play it was 99% Flacco,1% Brown. He makes that catch, it’s an amazing grab, running one way, reaching back and grabbing a ball he expected to be in front of him - just no touch on short passes. Even his dump-offs to Allen & Collins were underthrown, along with the ball across the middle that Brown miraculously saved from being picked off while making a terrific catch.
Later he had Collins on a wheel route, and had him open. He hits him in stride, and Collins has an easy 1 on 1 with a DB to the end zone - a contest Collins wins 99/100x - and Flacco threw a 105 mph fastball.
It was a badly coached & badly executed bad game-plan. They gave one of their top weapons just 12 touches, fell behind early, and panicked.
Flacco was clearly struggling, but the Ravens made zero adjustments - just came out throwing (badly).
i saw it from be first play of the game when they came out 5 wide, empty backfield. A terrible play that produced a predictable result, and didn’t even set up another play. I have never and will never understand that as a 1st play of the game unless it’s Madden & you’ve got Vick at QB to run a QB sneak. Otherwise it’s hot garbage that worked out exactly as well as I’d expected it to.
Boo, Ravens coaching. Boo.
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